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Mon May 10, 2021 3:27 pm
Your comment makes no sense, sorry. What's that now?
Maybe my wording was not good you said that Russell schooled Bottas in performance I said you was wrong, there is opinion then there are facts.
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... i%20Bottas
In the first stint Bottas said that if he got too close to Russell he was losing downforce going into turn 1, Russell was faster in 24 of 44 laps, Bottas was slightly compromised by running behind, if Russell had so much extra performance why wasn't he able his gap Bottas going into his first pitstop, he had no extra pace on Bottas, the gap was 3 seconds lap 30 and still was 3 seconds the lap Russell pitted on lap 44, it was a gap Bottas was comfortable with and not damage his tyres too much so he could create a tyre offset against Russell.
Bottas had a 4 lap tyre offset and on lap 50 was 8.5s behind on lap 61 he was 5.2s, we can see on clear laps he could go 0.3s quicker, the SC gets called, Mercedes mess up and the race between the two of them was over. There was still 26 laps to go with Bottas needing to be 0.2s quicker than Russell to finish right behind. There was nothing definite about the outcome of the race and certainly no proof of schooling by Russell.
What exactly are you trying to show here? They could have been faster than the other on an equal number of laps - fact remains though that Russell overtook Bottas at the start, then built an 8 second gap over him. After the pit drama, he pulled off one of those FU overtakes (at a place where I have not seen anybody ever getting overtaken) - if being beaten was bad, that overtake was humiliation.
And this was Russell's first race in the Merc, with ill-fitting shoes - imagine if he had an entire season to get used to the car and continue humiliating the incumbent. If you are saying Russell wouldn't be even quicker and thrash Bottas, then I don't want to ever hear you give the excuse that Perez isn't settled into the 2nd Red Bull. The pace gap between Verstappen and Perez tells you just how much more Max is pushing the car - if his car was actually equal to the Merc he would easily be leading the championship (even with an inferior car he should have been, had Hamilton not gotten lucky as always after his colossal f-up in Imola - Vettel in Germany 2018 was an example of what usually happens when one makes a catastrophic error in the wet).
You're not being honest here Russell had a 3 second lead that went out to 8 seconds with the help of fresh tyres, you're not then allowing Bottas to respond with his tyre delta, the race was basically called off 26 laps early. The rest of your post has nothing to do with what we were discussing, a weakened position perhaps?
So Bottas was clearly beaten by your own admission - unless you're suggesting that he would be coming back hard at Russell and closing the gap and maybe even making a move on him? He has NEVER shown the capability to put in a drive like that, but hey, let's believe this as long as it doesn't shatter your fantasy, eh?
Thread topic is Mercedes vs Red Bull - Perez drives a Red Bull, and his gap relative to Verstappen is very relevant to this thread. You seem to have no argument against it, except speculative suggestions. If Russell could beat the incumbent driver easily in ill-fitting shoes in his first race for a new team, there really is no excuse to be given for how much more Verstappen is extracting out of the Red Bull. Despite is being clearly slower than the Mercedes in 3 out of 4 races thus far.
He was getting beat because he was running behind but the data doesn't show Russell was schooling him, the data shows that Bottas would have been close behind Russell at the end of the race, I'm not saying Bottas would have won the race, the speed advantage on fresher tyres wasn't overly great to be that confident but nothing suggests that Russell was actually quicker to use the term schooled.
I'm trying to be very open about it I can appreciate it that for 90%+ posting they have a real interest in the subject matter, to that extent although not entirely convinced I gave the Imola race to Mercedes even though in wet conditions how can we know what percentage is car or driver, Hamilton is excellent in such conditions, Bottas was rubbish but I guess that just gets explained by him being rubbish.
Meanwhile we will look to use Perez at all times to determine the performance of the Red Bull even though obviously he's still getting up to speed although some good performances now and again may convince otherwise, so when Perez is basically rubbish then that's the speed of the Red Bull, when Bottas is rubbish that's the speed of Bottas.
I think were you're falling down is starting off by saying that Red Bull was not the fastest car in Bahrain against I think common belief, you're setting off on the belief that Max is the faster driver, when Max wins it's because of Max, when Hamilton wins it's because of the car it actually shuts down any debate because you're already looking to decide the outcome, like I said the corrupt boxing judge who has his scorecard filled in before the fight has started, anyone watch the Canelo/Saunders fight, was he really winning by 4 rounds after 8 rounds, when there's a will for someone to come out on top then he more likely will.