Without going into the Hamilton vs Rosberg conversation, it does seem odd to me that you're bringing up races where Hamilton had bad luck - I'm sure Rosberg also lost some races where due to his bad luck he wasn't in contention for a win (and a bad start like in Japan 2016 isn't bad luck - it's a bad start. Same with Baku - Hamilton's own mistake isn't bad luck). Bottas for me doesn't even figure in this conversation because he's nothing more than a lapdog at Merc, and at a decidedly lower level.Johnson wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 12:22 pmThe stats clearly show how important pole was for Rosberg/Bottas. There is DRS now, Rosberg was overtaken many times by Hamilton and Bottas even more.A.J. wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 11:52 amThis was my original comment: "I would have loved to see Jarno Trulli in those Mercs - can only wonder how many titles he would have won with his qualifying prowess when the "Trulli train" didn't have to hold anyone up"Johnson wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 11:45 amFinally got where? I've made 2 comments in this thread on Trulli and never disputed that Trulli was quick over 1 lap. I think everybody that watched that era knows Trulli was in the top 3 drivers over 1 lap in that decade.Siao7 wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 10:29 amAnd this is exactly what was argued in the first place.Johnson wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 10:08 amAlonso was better than Trulli in 2004, Alonso had 5 DNFs, Trulli had 3. Alonso also made a mistake in the one race Renault had the best car and Trulli out scored him 10-0 in that race. If you re-watch 2004, Alonso is still clearly the better driver but Trulli did have great 1 lap speed.
We finally got there!
The original comment was that Trulli would dominant in the Mercedes because he would always get pole - which is a silly point because almost any driver would get pole in the 2014 onwards Mercedes. So Trulli's greatest strength (qualifying) is actually removed by having such a dominant car. It also means his team mate would likely be in P2 right behind him.
The rules of the early 2000's era suited Trulli perfectly. Being quick over 1 lap but not so quick in the race, qualifying on race fuel and strategy locked in, no DRS and near impossible to overtake.
In the era of DRS, undercuts, significantly more tyre strategy and significantly more SC/VSC influence, having track position is much less important now than the early 2000's. If you could put the car on pole with a heavy fuel load back in the early 2000 and lead after the first corner it was almost certain you would win.
There are people arguing on this thread that Trulli wasn't a great qualifier, was at Massa's level, and would somehow be outqualified by a Bottas - when all evidence points otherwise.
In the Merc domination era Trulli would have been truly interesting to watch, as Merc explicitly favoured the driver that was ahead when it came to strategy. If Trulli could qualify ahead of his teammate (no matter who it was) and manage to lead into the first corner (which would also be likely because he was a great starter, but this is purely based on my memory of things) - he would get preferred strategy, and his team-mate would not be allowed to undercut him (as we saw during the HAM-ROS years). This is the perfect situation for someone fighting for titles up front.
Rosberg converted 13 of his 27 poles and most of those Hamilton was not in contention to win. Such as -
2016 Japan - Hamilton dropped to 8th place with a bad start
2016 Belgium - Hamilton started P20 after engine penalties
2016 Baku - Hamilton started P10 due to qualifying crash
2016 Russia - Hamilton started P10 due to qualifying breakdown
2016 China - Hamilton started P20 due to qualifying breakdown
2014 Germany - Hamilton started P20 due to qualifying breakdown
Half of Nico's conversions from pole involved Hamilton out of the race effectively. Thats why Bottas conversion rate is so low as Hamilton just has not had the same level of bad luck as he did against Rosberg. Mercedes is much more reliable now.
Even with a reasonable 50-60% pole-to-win conversion, Trulli would be in contention for the title.