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I have hopefully got the ranking polls working with the new forum, but there may be bugs, but I will take a Cyberpunk 2077 approach and release before doing any QA work.

As always, you must rank all drivers in the list, from best to worst. No drivers can be equal, no driver can be omitted.

This is for all the drivers who competed in the 2020 season. The ranking should be where you see their ability as a driver, not necessarily how they performed in the 2020 season. Think of it as - if you were hiring a driver, with money no problem, right now solely as their ability* as an F1 driver, the list is the order of preference.

(*so no 'I wouldn't hire them because of their tweets' or 'I don't think they would get on with another driver' or 'they would be too expensive')

Edited to remove Kubica who was left in by accident - apologies if you already voted

Ok, Already ran into Cyberpunk 2077, issues. Quickly fixing. I promise this worked in the test forum!

Ok, I think I have fixed it, cast your votes and let me know if there are any problems...

Ocon is missing...

I don't know if many people have voted yet (don't think you can see until you've done it yourself) but I would have excluded the drivers who did the odd race tbh. I can see Hulkenberg skewing things a bit.

When I enter my 1-20 I'll be putting Aitken, Fittipaldi, Hulkenberg as the bottom three.

JN23 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:31 pm

Ocon is missing...

I don't know if many people have voted yet (don't think you can see until you've done it yourself) but I would have excluded the drivers who did the odd race tbh. I can see Hulkenberg skewing things a bit.

When I enter my 1-20 I'll be putting Aitken, Fittipaldi, Hulkenberg as the bottom three.

Oops, added. Can anyone who voted revote please.

The purpose is NOT to rank their performance in the season. The purpose of the poll is to rank their ability as a F1 driver at this moment in time. If it was a season performance poll I would 100% agree with you, but this is a poll to rate them as drivers.

Here is how I voted in the poll:

1	Hamilton
2	Leclerc
3	Verstappen
4	Ricciardo
5	Perez
6	Russell
7	Bottas
8	Vettel
9	Norris
10	Sainz
11	Gasly
12	Hulkenberg
13	Ocon
14	Kyvat
15	Raikkonen
16	Stroll
17	Giovianzzi
18	Albon
19	Grosjean
20	Magnussen
21	Fittipaldi
22	Aitken
23	Latifi

Had to redo this as your Ocon is missing message appeared while I was previewing this response! Originally I went Max at number 2, but on reflection I think that Charles really stepped it up this season - some of the performances he pulled off in the Ferrari, mostly in qualifying but also in the race - I mean, two podiums in dry conditions in a car that finished 6th in the championship with an engine that couldn't pull the skin off of a rice pudding.

But the top 3 are the clear S tier of Formula 1 at the moment. Max continued to perform where we expect and still shows moments of impatience and frustration. Ricciardo, Perez and Russell are all very close to the S tier, S-tier elect. We know that Ricciardo is comfortably ahead of Vettel and was basically a match for Max at Red Bull, however as Max was much younger then, one would assume the scope for development was smaller for Ricciardo than Max since then.

We then get to the Bottas through Ocon tier. Here things are fuzzier - but Vettel's stock has plummeted since Germany 2018. Bottas is treading water, and Sainz, Gasly and Norris are on the rise. Hulk should have a seat on the grid no question, but I rate him better than Ocon based on how Hulk and Ocon compared against Perez and Ricciardo.

Kyvat straddles the next tier, but ultimately, he's not as a quick as Gasly but really he should be in F1 too. Kimi is just doing F1 for fun and it shows, but he's more talented than those below him. Stroll and Gionvianzzi show the development that can happen when a driver doesn't have the "you can get fired by Marko at any moment" Russian roulette of the RBR young driver program.

Albon is probably the nicest guy on the grid, and he has shown speed in earlier categories but he has never looked like he belongs in F1, but he's better than all those below him.

Mod Aqua wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:40 pm

JN23 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:31 pm

Ocon is missing...

I don't know if many people have voted yet (don't think you can see until you've done it yourself) but I would have excluded the drivers who did the odd race tbh. I can see Hulkenberg skewing things a bit.

When I enter my 1-20 I'll be putting Aitken, Fittipaldi, Hulkenberg as the bottom three.

Oops, added. Can anyone who voted revote please.

The purpose is NOT to rank their performance in the season. The purpose of the poll is to rank their ability as a F1 driver at this moment in time. If it was a season performance poll I would 100% agree with you, but this is a poll to rate them as drivers.

Ah fair enough thank you for starting the thread!

1. Hamilton
For me, there’s been two standout drivers this year, and they’re very hard to separate - Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton. I think it’s a vote for either maximum points or maximum performance when comparing the two. Hamilton has been faultless in hoovering up nearly all points available to him, despite Bottas sometimes only marginally slower than him (particularly in qualifying). Therefore my vote for Hamilton stems from a belief that he could not have done much more than what he’s achieved this year.

2. Verstappen
An argument for Verstappen being number 1 is that he is overachieving in what is clearly an inferior car to the Mercedes. I think he’s really extracting maximum performance from that car. I think what sways my vote is one Grand Prix - the Turkish GP - where Verstappen messed up and failed to capitalise in a position that he could have won in. The rest of the year, he’s not only been incredibly consistent, but incredibly fast.

3. Ricciardo
Ricciardo’s dominance over Ocon this year has been incredibly impressive. A best of the rest that comes out on top of the midfield battle quite often in what is probably a car that’s worse than both Racing Point and McLaren.

4. Leclerc
Top of the field in terms of qualifying, but has made too many blunders in the midfield for me to pick him above Ricciardo. Of course, he’s blitzed Vettel in dry conditions this year, but I think that goes to show Vettel’s lack of performance this year, rather than a meteoritic rise.

5. Perez
An average start to the season, but a fantastic end to it. Stroll had the measure of Perez in one or two races, and I think his lack of qualifying pace may have resulted in him not being best of the rest in the first half of the season, when Racing Point were incredibly strong. He’s been as good as anyone in the last handful of races however.

6. Sainz
7. Gasly
8. Norris
9. Hulkenberg
10. Russell

Sainz is starting to get the recognition he warrants, and ever since he signed the Ferrari contract, he’s been fantastic. Monza is a an example of how great Sainz and Gasly have been this season. It’s a bit harsh for Norris to be two place behind Sainz, but Sainz has had the measure of him since the summer. Russell is definitely an exceptional talent, but there’s examples of where he hasn’t capitalised in race positions, which is why he is below the two Macca drivers for now.

11.Bottas
12.Kvyat
13. Stroll
14. Ocon
15. Raikkonen
16. Vettel
17. Albon
18. Giovinazzi
19. Grosjean
20. Magnussen
21. Latifi
22. Aitken
23. Fittipaldi

I think there’s some gap between these drivers and the ones above. I think this is one of Bottas’ worst season’s yet. He hasn’t looked faster than Hamilton in any race this year IIRC. Kvyat, Stroll, Econ, Raikkonen are hard to separate. Vettel has been bad, but not as bad as Albon. The rest I can’t comment on much because I don’t take an active interest in them.

1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Ricciardo
4. Leclerc
5. Perez
6. Russell
7. Bottas
8. Sainz
9. Norris
10. Vettel
11. Gasly
12. Raikkonen
13. Hulkenberg
14. Ocon
15. Stroll
16. Kyvat
17. Grosjean
18. Magnussen
19. Albon
20. Giovianzzi
21. Fittipaldi
22. Aitken
23. Latifi

EDIT: If the format allowed, I'd split this into tiers, with 3-4, 5-7, 8-14, 15-20 and 21-23 hard to tell apart. It's also not really fair on Fittipaldi and Aitken given they had so few races, they might well be perfectly good F1 drivers but we haven't really seen enough races.

Here is how I voted in the poll:

1	Verstappen
2	Hamilton
3	Ricciardo
4	Leclerc
5	Russell
6	Perez
7	Sainz
8	Norris
9	Hulkenberg
10	Gasly
11	Bottas
12	Vettel
13	Stroll
14	Raikkonen
15	Ocon
16	Albon
17	Magnussen
18	Grosjean
19	Kyvat
20	Giovianzzi
21	Latifi
22	Aitken
23	Fittipaldi

Not far off the average overall. Furthest deviation appears to be Hulk who I put three places higher than everyone else.

Here is how I voted in the poll:

1	Verstappen
2	Hamilton
3	Ricciardo
4	Leclerc
5	Russell
6	Perez
7	Vettel
8	Ocon
9	Bottas
10	Hulkenberg
11	Sainz
12	Norris
13	Gasly
14	Kyvat
15	Grosjean
16	Raikkonen
17	Magnussen
18	Giovianzzi
19	Albon
20	Stroll
21	Aitken
22	Latifi
23	Fittipaldi

Hardest was 7th-12th which really could be in any order.

Ocon is so high because I can't justify putting him far below Perez.

Nice top 6 there Mikes but Ocon, Vettel and Bottas above the McLaren drivers and Stroll in 20th?

Here is how I voted in the poll:

1	Hamilton
2	Verstappen
3	Ricciardo
4	Leclerc
5	Russell
6	Perez
7	Vettel
8	Hulkenberg
9	Sainz
10	Bottas
11	Norris
12	Gasly
13	Ocon
14	Raikkonen
15	Albon
16	Kyvat
17	Giovianzzi
18	Magnussen
19	Stroll
20	Grosjean
21	Aitken
22	Latifi
23	Fittipaldi

The top 2 are fairly obvious, with Verstappen having the speed but not quite the maturity or racecraft that Hamilton has. Leclerc has shown plenty of speed but has been in too many accidents to put at the same level at this stage. Russell I have always rated very highly, and at Sakhir we saw a glimpse of the talent I always thought he had.

Many of the others could really be put in any order, it is hard to separate them.

Banana Man wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:54 pm

Nice top 6 there Mikes but Ocon, Vettel and Bottas above the McLaren drivers and Stroll in 20th?

Ocon was equal to Perez in 2018 . There is no reason to believe Perez has got drastically better or Ocon drastically worse so I had to put them close together. Vettel is very hard to place. Basically depends how much weight you chose to give 2020 and where you think Vettel's true level lies. Bottas I simply think is a shade better than Sainz who himself is a shade better than Norris. Don't forget Sainz was beaten by Hulk not so long ago. As I said though 7th-12th could be in any order and I wouldn't argue.

As for Stroll, I simply don't think he's very good. I can't see any reason to put Stroll any higher. Maybe he could go above Albon but If he was with Giovinazzi at Alfa do you really think he'd be beating him?

Banana Man wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:54 pm

Nice top 6 there Mikes but Ocon, Vettel and Bottas above the McLaren drivers and Stroll in 20th?

I may like Bottas, but I still see evidence that when Vettel is comfortable, he really can stand out at times. I still think that if he manages to recover (entirely possible), he will likely be better than Bottas will get. Ocon however I wouldn't say is better than Bottas or will get much better. He's been beaten by Ricciardo more convincingly than Hamilton has beaten Bottas, and I don't think Ricciardo is as good as Hamilton.

I do actually think I agree more with Mikes list more than many (wait, are we thinking slightly similar for once? ) but do think Stroll is rated somewhat low.

Given he has clearly had by far his best season and did look at least relatively close to Perez for a fair chunk of it. Or Perez himself wasn't that great at that stage. I know it isn't just about this season, but I still think Stroll has shown that he is improving. I said before that I would rate him in the top 10 (based on just this season) mid way through the season. I certainly wouldn't now, but would rate him 15th at least in terms of his capability. I think he will keep improving season by season. He came into F1 too early and I still think he's more capable than many give him credit for. Just think he seems to need more time than others to improve.

Oh shoot I thought it was rank the drivers' performances this season

Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:48 pm

Oh shoot I thought it was rank the drivers' performances this season

Judging by how low Vettel is, I'm guessing a lot of people thought so as well!

Either that, or his stock has really dropped lately.

Exediron wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:07 am

Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:48 pm

Oh shoot I thought it was rank the drivers' performances this season

Judging by how low Vettel is, I'm guessing a lot of people thought so as well!

Either that, or his stock has really dropped lately.

I was using my overall perception of him. First there was 2014, then a couple of decent years albeit with a fairly cushty seat next to Kimi. Then from 2018 onward it was just one silly mistake after another. Then Charles came in and whooped him for two years.

He makes far too many mistakes, frequently cracks under pressure and just looks well off the pace of even that bucket of an F1 car.

Mod Aqua wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:52 pm

...but I will take a Cyberpunk 2077 approach and release before doing any QA work.

I appreciate this joke!

Here is how I voted in the poll:

1	Hamilton
2	Verstappen
3	Leclerc
4	Ricciardo
5	Sainz
6	Russell
7	Norris
8	Vettel
9	Perez
10	Ocon
11	Hulkenberg
12	Bottas
13	Gasly
14	Raikkonen
15	Albon
16	Giovianzzi
17	Stroll
18	Kyvat
19	Magnussen
20	Grosjean
21	Latifi
22	Fittipaldi
23	Aitken

My top four is pretty self-explanatory.

I highly rate Sainz and Norris so they are also up there! Vettel stays 8th because I think he's very peaky, with a car he likes he's one of the best out there (very Raikkonen-esque).

Then you are really splitting hair between Perez-Ocon-Hulk-Bottas. I can't see any of those drivers being clearly superior to any of the others over a few seasons as teammates. Gasly and Raikkonen follow up the rear although I probably have slightly overrated Kimi in the grand scheme.

Finally, my somewhat controversial garbage tier. Fittipaldi and Aitken are hard done by but we'll see. Kvyat is also hard done by but I do think he has regressed.

Top 10 onboards of this season. Maybe this could make a difference to the voting or not!

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2020/ ... _2020.html

This is not exactly related to this thread, but not far enough off topic to create a new one. But my post can be removed if this isn't appropriate.

But here is how the drivers have given their view for the top 10 drivers this year:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... b24z5.html

Looks like the grid rate Grosjean higher than anyone!

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:13 pm

This is not exactly related to this thread, but not far enough off topic to create a new one. But my post can be removed if this isn't appropriate.

But here is how the drivers have given their view for the top 10 drivers this year:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... b24z5.html

Looks like the grid rate Grosjean higher than anyone!

After the first 7 I would say it raises some eyebrows, not all drivers voted though, just 15.

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:13 pm

This is not exactly related to this thread, but not far enough off topic to create a new one. But my post can be removed if this isn't appropriate.

But here is how the drivers have given their view for the top 10 drivers this year:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... b24z5.html

Looks like the grid rate Grosjean higher than anyone!

WIth the drivers there will be camaraderie - so I expect the ratings for Grosjean and Albon are inflated to Romain's accident and Alexander's gut punch of a season. Although they were allowed to vote for themselves in the poll...

Alienturnedhuman wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:05 am

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:13 pm

This is not exactly related to this thread, but not far enough off topic to create a new one. But my post can be removed if this isn't appropriate.

But here is how the drivers have given their view for the top 10 drivers this year:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... b24z5.html

Looks like the grid rate Grosjean higher than anyone!

WIth the drivers there will be camaraderie - so I expect the ratings for Grosjean and Albon are inflated to Romain's accident and Alexander's gut punch of a season. Although they were allowed to vote for themselves in the poll...

Indeed you shouldn't be allowed to vote for yourself.

Ah crap, I totally missed that it was meant to be how we view them each overall, not based on how we view their 2020 performance.

Is there any way a mod can reset my vote so I can do it properly?

Mod resets reset the entire poll, not any individual's, and that's not really viable given how many have voted.

I will work on an update to allow revoting in the future, but to be honest - with more than 20 people voting, it won't make that much difference, especially as I assume that your season performance isn't the exact opposite of your current performance ratings.

It seems that all the votes are in now, we may get one or two more, I give my top 10 and the difference with the consensus in brackets. I've gone with about every other list I've seen with having the same top 10 including this one although all the other top 10's don't necessarily have the same order, however the top 2 is consistent with every list I've seen.

01. Lewis Hamilton (-)
02. Max Verstappen (-)
03. Charles Leclerc (-)
04. Daniel Ricciardo (-)
05. Sergio Perez (-)
06. George Russell (-)
07. Valtteri Bottas (+3)
08. Carlos Sainz (-1)
09. Pierre Gasly (-)
10. Lando Norris (-2)

I've been keeping track of the voting and with Hamilton and Verstappen it was very easy to see how the votes went with the majority having them in the top 2, so after 30 votes it went like this:-

1. Hamilton 1.21 (24x1st, 6x2nd)
2. Verstappen 2.07 (5x1st, 18x2nd, 7x3rd)

Leclerc managed to bag 1x1st.

I voted Sainz, Norris, and Bottas lower than the consensus, and Gasly higher. For the first 6, I have them in exactly the same order. Hulkenberg was my other driver in the top ten instead of Bottas.

I can't see voting Leclerc first on the strength of this season. His speed was excellent -- and I personally believe in terms of absolute pace he is faster than Hamilton or Verstappen -- but there were far too many silly errors, including the inexcusable taking himself and his teammate out in Austria.

Here is how I voted in the poll:

1	Hamilton
2	Verstappen
3	Ricciardo
4	Leclerc
5	Sainz
6	Russell
7	Perez
8	Norris
9	Hulkenberg
10	Bottas
11	Vettel
12	Raikkonen
13	Gasly
14	Ocon
15	Albon
16	Giovianzzi
17	Stroll
18	Magnussen
19	Grosjean
20	Kyvat
21	Latifi
22	Aitken
23	Fittipaldi

From about seventh or eighth place on down it gets a little hazy till you get to the bottom of the barrel.

Exediron wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:41 pm

I voted Sainz, Norris, and Bottas lower than the consensus, and Gasly higher. For the first 6, I have them in exactly the same order. Hulkenberg was my other driver in the top ten instead of Bottas.

I can't see voting Leclerc first on the strength of this season. His speed was excellent -- and I personally believe in terms of absolute pace he is faster than Hamilton or Verstappen -- but there were far too many silly errors, including the inexcusable taking himself and his teammate out in Austria.

I felt I couldn't really rate a driver that had only done 3 races and the reality for the Hulk was that in 2 out of 3 race weekends he was slower than his teammate so on performance alone I couldn't put him in the top 10.

I thought about dropping Leclerc below Ricciardo because of some of the incidents he was involved in but when I look at were he finished in the WDC driving the 7th fastest car, although the risk/reward went terribly wrong for him at times overall it kind of paid off for him.

pokerman wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:20 pm

I've been keeping track of the voting and with Hamilton and Verstappen it was very easy to see how the votes went with the majority having them in the top 2, so after 30 votes it went like this:-

1. Hamilton 1.21 (24x1st, 6x2nd)
2. Verstappen 2.07 (5x1st, 18x2nd, 7x3rd)

Leclerc managed to bag 1x1st.

Maybe I jumped the gun a bit with 4 more votes having just come in, now I have:-

1. Hamilton 1.18 (28x1st, 6x2nd)
2. Verstappen 2.09 (5x1st, 21x2nd, 8x3rd)

I think about half of the votes are more for season performance and the other half a general longer range view on the pecking order.

pokerman wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:25 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:20 pm

I've been keeping track of the voting and with Hamilton and Verstappen it was very easy to see how the votes went with the majority having them in the top 2, so after 30 votes it went like this:-

1. Hamilton 1.21 (24x1st, 6x2nd)
2. Verstappen 2.07 (5x1st, 18x2nd, 7x3rd)

Leclerc managed to bag 1x1st.

Maybe I jumped the gun a bit with 4 more votes having just come in, now I have:-

1. Hamilton 1.18 (28x1st, 6x2nd)
2. Verstappen 2.09 (5x1st, 21x2nd, 8x3rd)

This is why cynical me has kept track of the voting, two late votes have come in, one I have to judge as a Max fan that has Max in first and Hamilton down to 6th.

So know we have:-

1. Hamilton 1.31 (29x1st, 6x2nd, 1x6th)
2. Verstappen 2.06 (6x1st, 22x2nd, 8x3rd)

pokerman wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:36 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:25 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:20 pm

I've been keeping track of the voting and with Hamilton and Verstappen it was very easy to see how the votes went with the majority having them in the top 2, so after 30 votes it went like this:-

1. Hamilton 1.21 (24x1st, 6x2nd)
2. Verstappen 2.07 (5x1st, 18x2nd, 7x3rd)

Leclerc managed to bag 1x1st.

Maybe I jumped the gun a bit with 4 more votes having just come in, now I have:-

1. Hamilton 1.18 (28x1st, 6x2nd)
2. Verstappen 2.09 (5x1st, 21x2nd, 8x3rd)

This is why cynical me has kept track of the voting, two late votes have come in, one I have to judge as a Max fan that has Max in first and Hamilton down to 6th.

So know we have:-

1. Hamilton 1.31 (29x1st, 6x2nd, 1x6th)
2. Verstappen 2.06 (6x1st, 22x2nd, 8x3rd)

Just one more vote in the last week now making it:-

1. Hamilton 1.35 (29x1st, 6x2nd, 1x3rd, 1x6th)
2. Verstappen 2.03 (7x1st, 22x2nd, 8x3rd)

pokerman wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:19 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:36 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:25 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:20 pm

I've been keeping track of the voting and with Hamilton and Verstappen it was very easy to see how the votes went with the majority having them in the top 2, so after 30 votes it went like this:-

1. Hamilton 1.21 (24x1st, 6x2nd)
2. Verstappen 2.07 (5x1st, 18x2nd, 7x3rd)

Leclerc managed to bag 1x1st.

Maybe I jumped the gun a bit with 4 more votes having just come in, now I have:-

1. Hamilton 1.18 (28x1st, 6x2nd)
2. Verstappen 2.09 (5x1st, 21x2nd, 8x3rd)

This is why cynical me has kept track of the voting, two late votes have come in, one I have to judge as a Max fan that has Max in first and Hamilton down to 6th.

So know we have:-

1. Hamilton 1.31 (29x1st, 6x2nd, 1x6th)
2. Verstappen 2.06 (6x1st, 22x2nd, 8x3rd)

Just one more vote in the last week now making it:-

1. Hamilton 1.35 (29x1st, 6x2nd, 1x3rd, 1x6th)
2. Verstappen 2.03 (7x1st, 22x2nd, 8x3rd)

2 more votes in as late votes for Max keep coming in:-

1. Hamilton 1.41 (29x1st, 7x2nd, 2x3rd, 1x6th)
2. Verstappen 1.97 (9x1st, 22x2nd, 8x3rd)