Nikita Mazepin social media video incident

[Schumacher forever#1]

I find it hard to justify the extreme opinions of the Sky F1 team on the incident, and the corresponding backlash on social media (Looking at you, Reddit) claiming he should be banned from F1 and the like.

It's poor form, and obviously weird to post on social media. But let's hold back from these rash accusations without a little more evidence of the situation first.

[pc27b]

will the elder mazepin fire his own son ?!?

[Exediron]

I find it hard to justify the extreme opinions of the Sky F1 team on the incident, and the corresponding backlash on social media (Looking at you, Reddit) claiming he should be banned from F1 and the like.

I thin most of that -- particularly the social media backlash -- is people who don't want Mazepin in F1 anyway, and are just hoping this is the straw the pushes him out. I find it more unlikely that if this was an exciting young prospect who genuinely belongs in F1 we'd be seeing as many calls to dump him.

That said, whatever the truth of this incident, it's far from the only indication that Nikita may not be the most shining personality ever to grace the F1 grid.

[Schumacher forever#1]

I find it hard to justify the extreme opinions of the Sky F1 team on the incident, and the corresponding backlash on social media (Looking at you, Reddit) claiming he should be banned from F1 and the like.

I thin most of that -- particularly the social media backlash -- is people who don't want Mazepin in F1 anyway, and are just hoping this is the straw the pushes him out. I find it more unlikely that if this was an exciting young prospect who genuinely belongs in F1 we'd be seeing as many calls to dump him.

That said, whatever the truth of this incident, it's far from the only indication that Nikita may not be the most shining personality ever to grace the F1 grid.

Yes, there's definitely a history of controversy surrounding the driver, and I wouldn't complain on anyone voicing their opinion through backing up a series of incidents in the past.

However, Crofty's complaints in particular seemed to stem only from the video statement, saying that even despite of his history of controversy, that this incident alone should be enough reason to push the driver out. The name-calling by Crofty and Ted I think has been cheap and against the spirit of unbiased commentary, a knee-jerk reaction when we still don't understand the relation between them other than a five second video clip. This is a driver that they will have to be interviewing next season on the paddock. It would make them look very bad if it turns out that the video was innocent behaviour and that the rash name-calling was indeed uncalled for.

I think it's a virtue-signalling attempt to make sure the WeRaceAsOne image in F1 is still strong, despite there being nothing done in support of any sort of equality since the commencement of this campaign, other than deciding it would be a good idea to race in Saudi Arabia of course.

I should highlight I am in no way defending Mazepin, but more disillusioned with what I see as biased commentary with an agenda behind it.

[BMWSauber84]

There is a question of whether we really want dodgy Russia based oligarchs getting a foothold into F1, and this may happen as the Mazepin family increase their influence at Haas. Obviously Nikita isn't his father, but they do come as a package in a similar way to Lance and Lawrence. I think F1 team funding is going to come under the microscope a lot more in years to come.

[Biffa]

Well it seems we have a new F1 brat that many will love to hate.

I’m guessing many F1 fans are like me and knew very little about Mazepin before this, and regardless of this current incident, it has certainly shone a light on some of his past behaviour, which paints him in a very poor light.

Being banned from a race for punching a driver, his comments about Russell and other comments that can be considered racist are not going to win many friends in the paddock or with the fans.

[FormulaFun]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

[F1_Ernie]

Not sure why a woman would find it funny posting a video of her being touched on the bloke who did the touching’s SM. Personally think that’s all BS.

[Asphalt_World]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

[Banana Man]

Not sure why a woman would find it funny posting a video of her being touched on the bloke who did the touching’s SM. Personally think that’s all BS.

Funny - No
Good for business - Definitely

I’m not saying that was definitely the case but it’s perfectly plausible that she had her own motives for posting this video on social media.

[F1_Ernie]

Not sure why a woman would find it funny posting a video of her being touched on the bloke who did the touching’s SM. Personally think that’s all BS.

Funny - No
Good for business - Definitely

I’m not saying that was definitely the case but it’s perfectly plausible that she had her own motives for posting this video on social media.

I don’t believe it at all, it just doesn’t make sense to me. I still think Mazepin uploaded the video more than likely bragging about his lifestyle or something. I personally think she is covering for him in a damage limitation exercise as it’s better she admits to uploading the video than Mazepin.

[Banana Man]

Not sure why a woman would find it funny posting a video of her being touched on the bloke who did the touching’s SM. Personally think that’s all BS.

Funny - No
Good for business - Definitely

I’m not saying that was definitely the case but it’s perfectly plausible that she had her own motives for posting this video on social media.

I don’t believe it at all, it just doesn’t make sense to me. I still think Mazepin uploaded the video more than likely bragging about his lifestyle or something. I personally think she is covering for him in a damage limitation exercise as it’s better she admits to uploading the video than Mazepin.

Well, they’re both plausible and she says she did it. As theres no other evidence either way, anything else is pure speculation. She doesn’t seem unduly phased by the incident so I don’t think there’s much else to discuss.

[F1_Ernie]

That's just my view on who posted the video as it makes no sense, I think its BS.

[Banana Man]

That's just my view on who posted the video as it makes no sense, I think its BS.

Well, it does make sense as I’ve just explained so it isn’t necessarily BS. Which version of events you choose to believe is up to you.

[Schermerhorn]

Apparently the video may fall foul of UAE public decency laws relating to social media, which is the country in which the video was filmed.

Ironic, really, given that if the interaction was completely consensual it's a non issue in the West, but it becomes a crime in Abu Dhabi..

"Decency" laws in the UAE? The same country that has an (not so) underground economy built on prostitution and human trafficking of women sold into sexual slavery?

[Schermerhorn]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

The #MeToo brigade want their moment in the spotlight.

[FormulaFun]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

[Alienturnedhuman]

Apparently the video may fall foul of UAE public decency laws relating to social media, which is the country in which the video was filmed.

Ironic, really, given that if the interaction was completely consensual it's a non issue in the West, but it becomes a crime in Abu Dhabi..

"Decency" laws in the UAE? The same country that has an (not so) underground economy built on prostitution and human trafficking of women sold into sexual slavery?

It would be the first country in the world to have hypocrisy in its legal system, you are correct.

[Asphalt_World]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

Every day, people stand in courts of law and make false statements to defend their friends. I'm not at all saying this is what's happening here, but it takes more that her posting something saying she gave consent for this to be taken and the issue dropped.

[Jezza13]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

Every day, people stand in courts of law and make false statements to defend their friends. I'm not at all saying this is what's happening here, but it takes more that her posting something saying she gave consent for this to be taken and the issue dropped.

So, in the absence of absolutely any other evidence to the contrary, if her statement isn't enough to convince you she's telling the truth, what would be ?

[mikeyg123]

I think that's why it's so dumb to share it. To me her statement means almost nothing on it's own. She has a lot to lose by claiming it was assault and nothing to gain.

However, the statement backs up what we can see in the unedited video which is why I'm willing to give Mazepin the benefit of any doubt and struggle to understand why words like "abhorrent and unforgiveable" are being thrown around.

[Schermerhorn]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

Exactly.

But according to Asphalt_World she just simply HAS to be a victim even though she blatantly is not and she has even categorically and publically come out in defence of Mazepin.

Some people just feel the need to be the champion and saviour of everything.

[mikeyg123]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

Exactly.

But according to Asphalt_World she just simply HAS to be a victim even though she blatantly is not and she has even categorically and publically come out in defence of Mazepin.

Some people just feel the need to be the champion and saviour of everything.

No, that isn't what he said at all. He said her statement in itself does not convince him 100% and laid out the reasons why.

That is a perfectly reasonable position to hold.

[Schermerhorn]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

Exactly.

But according to Asphalt_World she just simply HAS to be a victim even though she blatantly is not and she has even categorically and publically come out in defence of Mazepin.

Some people just feel the need to be the champion and saviour of everything.

No, that isn't what he said at all. He said her statement in itself does not convince him 100% and laid out the reasons why.

That is a perfectly reasonable position to hold.

Where do we draw the line then? Just believe what we want to believe in spite of overt and contrary evidence?

[mikeyg123]

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

Exactly.

But according to Asphalt_World she just simply HAS to be a victim even though she blatantly is not and she has even categorically and publically come out in defence of Mazepin.

Some people just feel the need to be the champion and saviour of everything.

No, that isn't what he said at all. He said her statement in itself does not convince him 100% and laid out the reasons why.

That is a perfectly reasonable position to hold.

Where do we draw the line then? Just believe what we want to believe in spite of overt and contrary evidence?

Every situation is different. It's about applying what you know and come up with your own opinion of what seems most likely.

I'll give an F1 example. I believe Racing Point were hobbling Perez before Vettel was signed in order to reduce the negative headlines around keeping Stroll. Racing Point denying this wouldn't change my mind. I've used what I know about the measures Lawrence has taken to make Lance look good in the past, and the performance anomaly of Stroll comparing well to Perez whilst the Vettel negotiations were ongoing to form an opinion.

[Asphalt_World]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

Exactly.

But according to Asphalt_World she just simply HAS to be a victim even though she blatantly is not and she has even categorically and publically come out in defence of Mazepin.

Some people just feel the need to be the champion and saviour of everything.

No, that isn't what he said at all. He said her statement in itself does not convince him 100% and laid out the reasons why.

That is a perfectly reasonable position to hold.

Thank you Mikey. You understood my point exactly. I am neither making him guilty nor not guilty, because I don't know enough about it. I was simply making a point.

[Asphalt_World]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

Exactly.

But according to Asphalt_World she just simply HAS to be a victim even though she blatantly is not and she has even categorically and publically come out in defence of Mazepin.

Some people just feel the need to be the champion and saviour of everything.

Please apologise for the completely fabricated and disgusting accusations against me.

[P-F1 Mod]

I'll let AW fight his own battle on this one unless any reports come in, but please remember that all we really have is speculation on the limited evidence we all have. The various positions people are taking, most of us have openly admitted are speculative. Any definitive statements, especially those contradicting the official version of events or against other forum members, are not appropriate.

[Asphalt_World]

I'll let AW fight his own battle on this one unless any reports come in, but please remember that all we really have is speculation on the limited evidence we all have. The various positions people are taking, most of us have openly admitted are speculative. Any definitive statements, especially those contradicting the official version of events or against other forum members, are not appropriate.

Thank you. I was going to report it but I'd prefer an apology. Ironically, there are all sorts of people taking different sides on this one, not just on this forum, and yet I don't take a side and get called out for taking one!

[P-F1 Mod]

I'll let AW fight his own battle on this one unless any reports come in, but please remember that all we really have is speculation on the limited evidence we all have. The various positions people are taking, most of us have openly admitted are speculative. Any definitive statements, especially those contradicting the official version of events or against other forum members, are not appropriate.

Thank you. I was going to report it but I'd prefer an apology. Ironically, there are all sorts of people taking different sides on this one, not just on this forum, and yet I don't take a side and get called out for taking one!

I'm sure it's just concern for you getting splinters from the fence We're keeping an eye though, don't worry.

[Asphalt_World]

I'll let AW fight his own battle on this one unless any reports come in, but please remember that all we really have is speculation on the limited evidence we all have. The various positions people are taking, most of us have openly admitted are speculative. Any definitive statements, especially those contradicting the official version of events or against other forum members, are not appropriate.

Thank you. I was going to report it but I'd prefer an apology. Ironically, there are all sorts of people taking different sides on this one, not just on this forum, and yet I don't take a side and get called out for taking one!

I'm sure it's just concern for you getting splinters from the fence We're keeping an eye though, don't worry.

Could be. If you could get the moderator's electric sander out, that would be appreciated.

[Schermerhorn]

Complete none issue this, the woman already said it's consentual and that she even posted it on his account. What exactly is the issue then? Just a load of white knighting fake outrage as far as I can tell

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

Exactly.

But according to Asphalt_World she just simply HAS to be a victim even though she blatantly is not and she has even categorically and publically come out in defence of Mazepin.

Some people just feel the need to be the champion and saviour of everything.

Please apologise for the completely fabricated and disgusting accusations against me.

I apologise if I caused you offence but it did seem as though you were trying to make this a bigger issue than it actually was.

Apologies once again, my comments were silly and unnecessary. It was not my intention to cause offence. I hope you accept my apology.

[Asphalt_World]

Whilst I have no evidence to say if it was consensual or not, the fact she said it was, is not 100% proof in itself.

If she is saying that it is then it's is, do you not understand what consent is? Unless you are suggesting that he is bribing or black mailing her? Not sure what you're insinuating really.

There's obvious motivation for her to want that posted with her Instagram conveniently stamped in the middle of the screen in massive letters and all the media attention that this has garnered, would be interested in seeing her follower count before and after all this - this is pure advertising for a "social media influencer/model"

Exactly.

But according to Asphalt_World she just simply HAS to be a victim even though she blatantly is not and she has even categorically and publically come out in defence of Mazepin.

Some people just feel the need to be the champion and saviour of everything.

Please apologise for the completely fabricated and disgusting accusations against me.

I apologise if I caused you offence but it did seem as though you were trying to make this a bigger issue than it actually was.

Apologies once again, my comments were silly and unnecessary. It was not my intention to cause offence. I hope you accept my apology.

Apology fully accepted.

Please do check my earlier posts as I'm not making the issue bigger or smaller than it is, just offering caution until more is known, should we ever find out more.

Just look at situations in relationships where one partner will swear blind that nothing is wrong because they feel the pressure to put up a front due to fear of possible consequences if they spoke out truthfully. Professionally, I come across similar situations where someone will defend again and again, regardless of the truth, because they fear what may happen if they speak the truth. Again, I AM IN NOW WAY saying this is the case here, but I do say that caution must initially be taken if things said by either party so quickly after the event became public.

[SlipstreamF1]

The video is the least disgusting of his antics on and off the track. It's disappointing that Haas confirmed him as a driver for 2021 knowing what he had already done in the past. Props to Mercedes for "sacking" him for testing even before this video came out.

[Biffa]

SlipstreamF1 Yes that was pretty much my take too - I've not seen the vid, and considering the female's comments I don't have an opinion other than it was probably stupid all round.

I knew nothing about the guy before this, but all the noise about this vid has sure as hell made more people aware of his previous behavior, which doesn't paint him in a good light.

[Siao7]

SlipstreamF1 Yes that was pretty much my take too - I've not seen the vid, and considering the female's comments I don't have an opinion other than it was probably stupid all round.

I knew nothing about the guy before this, but all the noise about this vid has sure as hell made more people aware of his previous behavior, which doesn't paint him in a good light.

I've met plenty of rich kids that acted the same, even worse.

This doesn't mean that they are all like that. Equally, this video is only a snippet and could have been taken out of contest, it could have been a dare or fooling around between friends or something for all we know.

His on-track behaviour is what matters, and that has some question marks next to it.

[Alienturnedhuman]

The girl has now posted stuff on her Instagram implying that her previous statement may not have been the truth:

https://twitter.com/MattyWTF1/status/13 ... 7613495296

[Banana Man]

Jeez, Matty has really nailed his colours to the mast on pretty flakey ‘evidence’. If she seriously has issues with what went on then attention seeking social media media posts, which are plenty vague enough to allow the reader complete creative license aren’t the way forward.

I’m still highly sceptical. I’m not going to commit either way on this but it’s safe to say she is the winner in all this, whatever went on.

[Exediron]

I have to say, I'm inclined to believe her -- mostly because literally everything we know about Mazepin implies he's not a good guy. Why does anyone have trouble believing he did this?

[Banana Man]

I have to say, I'm inclined to believe her -- mostly because literally everything we know about Mazepin implies he's not a good guy. Why does anyone have trouble believing he did this?

Nobody is denying what he did. The question marks are over the context and all we have to go on is 5 seconds of video and some inconsistent social media posts.