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Banana Man wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 6:07 pm
I am wondering why Romain is getting this test. Certainly, he is way down the waiting line for a seat in the Merc for the next few years. Even if Merc decided to replace both Lewis and Valtteri for next year, I don't see Romain getting a drive in a Merc. Mercedes already have Stoffel Vandoorne and Nick De Vries as test drivers who, I would think would be much more what Brackley would want than an aging Romain Grosjean.

Mercedes could get any driver they want that is not specifically under contract for the upcoming season.
It’s a PR move, Romain won’t be anywhere near a Mercedes seat for any actual competitive action.
I know F1 is a cynical sport and all, but is it possible the move is exactly what Wolff says it is? He likes Grosjean, he wants to give Grosjean a chance to have a proper sendoff from F1, end of story?

No one involved at any stage has implied they would have tested Romain for a Merc seat.
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I think so too. This being a nice feel-good PR opportunity probably allowed Wolff to be confident about the offer, but I don't think it was the primary reason for it.

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Exediron wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 6:29 pm
Banana Man wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 6:07 pm
I am wondering why Romain is getting this test. Certainly, he is way down the waiting line for a seat in the Merc for the next few years. Even if Merc decided to replace both Lewis and Valtteri for next year, I don't see Romain getting a drive in a Merc. Mercedes already have Stoffel Vandoorne and Nick De Vries as test drivers who, I would think would be much more what Brackley would want than an aging Romain Grosjean.

Mercedes could get any driver they want that is not specifically under contract for the upcoming season.
It’s a PR move, Romain won’t be anywhere near a Mercedes seat for any actual competitive action.
I know F1 is a cynical sport and all, but is it possible the move is exactly what Wolff says it is? He likes Grosjean, he wants to give Grosjean a chance to have a proper sendoff from F1, end of story?

No one involved at any stage has implied they would have tested Romain for a Merc seat.

Agreed, the man almost died why can’t a team offer him a proper goodbye from the sport. Hats off to merc for giving him the chance.
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Exediron wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 6:29 pm
Banana Man wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 6:07 pm
I am wondering why Romain is getting this test. Certainly, he is way down the waiting line for a seat in the Merc for the next few years. Even if Merc decided to replace both Lewis and Valtteri for next year, I don't see Romain getting a drive in a Merc. Mercedes already have Stoffel Vandoorne and Nick De Vries as test drivers who, I would think would be much more what Brackley would want than an aging Romain Grosjean.

Mercedes could get any driver they want that is not specifically under contract for the upcoming season.
It’s a PR move, Romain won’t be anywhere near a Mercedes seat for any actual competitive action.
I know F1 is a cynical sport and all, but is it possible the move is exactly what Wolff says it is? He likes Grosjean, he wants to give Grosjean a chance to have a proper sendoff from F1, end of story?

No one involved at any stage has implied they would have tested Romain for a Merc seat.
My post was in response to Mort wondering why Romain was getting a test. Don’t get me wrong, it is a nice gesture from Merc but it’s also a PR stunt.

Photo shoots like this aren’t for Romain’s benefit:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... h9llk.html

So whilst I do respect Wolff and Merc for giving him this opportunity, that’s not the ‘end of story’.
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Mayhem wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 2:39 am
Exediron wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 6:29 pm
Banana Man wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 6:07 pm
I am wondering why Romain is getting this test. Certainly, he is way down the waiting line for a seat in the Merc for the next few years. Even if Merc decided to replace both Lewis and Valtteri for next year, I don't see Romain getting a drive in a Merc. Mercedes already have Stoffel Vandoorne and Nick De Vries as test drivers who, I would think would be much more what Brackley would want than an aging Romain Grosjean.

Mercedes could get any driver they want that is not specifically under contract for the upcoming season.
It’s a PR move, Romain won’t be anywhere near a Mercedes seat for any actual competitive action.
I know F1 is a cynical sport and all, but is it possible the move is exactly what Wolff says it is? He likes Grosjean, he wants to give Grosjean a chance to have a proper sendoff from F1, end of story?

No one involved at any stage has implied they would have tested Romain for a Merc seat.

Agreed, the man almost died why can’t a team offer him a proper goodbye from the sport. Hats off to merc for giving him the chance.
The cynical bit is that it is another team that offered this to Romain, instead of his last one...

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Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:39 am
Mayhem wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 2:39 am
Exediron wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 6:29 pm
Banana Man wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 6:07 pm
I am wondering why Romain is getting this test. Certainly, he is way down the waiting line for a seat in the Merc for the next few years. Even if Merc decided to replace both Lewis and Valtteri for next year, I don't see Romain getting a drive in a Merc. Mercedes already have Stoffel Vandoorne and Nick De Vries as test drivers who, I would think would be much more what Brackley would want than an aging Romain Grosjean.

Mercedes could get any driver they want that is not specifically under contract for the upcoming season.
It’s a PR move, Romain won’t be anywhere near a Mercedes seat for any actual competitive action.
I know F1 is a cynical sport and all, but is it possible the move is exactly what Wolff says it is? He likes Grosjean, he wants to give Grosjean a chance to have a proper sendoff from F1, end of story?

No one involved at any stage has implied they would have tested Romain for a Merc seat.

Agreed, the man almost died why can’t a team offer him a proper goodbye from the sport. Hats off to merc for giving him the chance.
The cynical bit is that it is another team that offered this to Romain, instead of his last one...
Simple budget issues I think.
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Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:37 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:39 am
Mayhem wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 2:39 am
Exediron wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 6:29 pm
Banana Man wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 12:18 pm


It’s a PR move, Romain won’t be anywhere near a Mercedes seat for any actual competitive action.
I know F1 is a cynical sport and all, but is it possible the move is exactly what Wolff says it is? He likes Grosjean, he wants to give Grosjean a chance to have a proper sendoff from F1, end of story?

No one involved at any stage has implied they would have tested Romain for a Merc seat.

Agreed, the man almost died why can’t a team offer him a proper goodbye from the sport. Hats off to merc for giving him the chance.
The cynical bit is that it is another team that offered this to Romain, instead of his last one...
Simple budget issues I think.
Possibly yes. It is purely a PR thing, driving a 3 year old car. HAAS could only benefit from the positive PR, what with all the cr*p Mazepin put them through even before the season started.

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Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:49 am
Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:37 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:39 am
Mayhem wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 2:39 am
Exediron wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 6:29 pm


I know F1 is a cynical sport and all, but is it possible the move is exactly what Wolff says it is? He likes Grosjean, he wants to give Grosjean a chance to have a proper sendoff from F1, end of story?

No one involved at any stage has implied they would have tested Romain for a Merc seat.

Agreed, the man almost died why can’t a team offer him a proper goodbye from the sport. Hats off to merc for giving him the chance.
The cynical bit is that it is another team that offered this to Romain, instead of his last one...
Simple budget issues I think.
Possibly yes. It is purely a PR thing, driving a 3 year old car. HAAS could only benefit from the positive PR, what with all the cr*p Mazepin put them through even before the season started.
We don't know that Haas didn't offer.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:49 am
Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:37 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:39 am
Mayhem wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 2:39 am



Agreed, the man almost died why can’t a team offer him a proper goodbye from the sport. Hats off to merc for giving him the chance.
The cynical bit is that it is another team that offered this to Romain, instead of his last one...
Simple budget issues I think.
Possibly yes. It is purely a PR thing, driving a 3 year old car. HAAS could only benefit from the positive PR, what with all the cr*p Mazepin put them through even before the season started.
We don't know that Haas didn't offer.
My memory is hazy but I believe the Merc offer was conditional on Haas not doing the same.
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Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:55 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:49 am
Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:37 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:39 am


The cynical bit is that it is another team that offered this to Romain, instead of his last one...
Simple budget issues I think.
Possibly yes. It is purely a PR thing, driving a 3 year old car. HAAS could only benefit from the positive PR, what with all the cr*p Mazepin put them through even before the season started.
We don't know that Haas didn't offer.
My memory is hazy but I believe the Merc offer was conditional on Haas not doing the same.
Toto said that in a casual throwaway comment. I wouldn't take it as a guarantee.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Haas offered but the Merc offer was much more appealing given the quality of the car and the fact that Haas are the team that chose not to resign him.

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Yeah that thought crossed my mind too. It might also be the case that as soon as Merc made the offer, Gene or Gunther contacted Romain and asked which car he'd rather drive, and thus got themselves off the hook.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:49 am
Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:37 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:39 am
Mayhem wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 2:39 am



Agreed, the man almost died why can’t a team offer him a proper goodbye from the sport. Hats off to merc for giving him the chance.
The cynical bit is that it is another team that offered this to Romain, instead of his last one...
Simple budget issues I think.
Possibly yes. It is purely a PR thing, driving a 3 year old car. HAAS could only benefit from the positive PR, what with all the cr*p Mazepin put them through even before the season started.
We don't know that Haas didn't offer.
Yes, but I guess we would have heard if they did

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Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:09 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:49 am
Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:37 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:39 am


The cynical bit is that it is another team that offered this to Romain, instead of his last one...
Simple budget issues I think.
Possibly yes. It is purely a PR thing, driving a 3 year old car. HAAS could only benefit from the positive PR, what with all the cr*p Mazepin put them through even before the season started.
We don't know that Haas didn't offer.
Yes, but I guess we would have heard if they did
Why?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:22 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:09 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:49 am
Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:37 am


Simple budget issues I think.
Possibly yes. It is purely a PR thing, driving a 3 year old car. HAAS could only benefit from the positive PR, what with all the cr*p Mazepin put them through even before the season started.
We don't know that Haas didn't offer.
Yes, but I guess we would have heard if they did
Why?
Why not?

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Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:38 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:22 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:09 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:49 am


Possibly yes. It is purely a PR thing, driving a 3 year old car. HAAS could only benefit from the positive PR, what with all the cr*p Mazepin put them through even before the season started.
We don't know that Haas didn't offer.
Yes, but I guess we would have heard if they did
Why?
Why not?
Well who would say? Haas aren't going to say they've been snubbed are they and Grosjean probably has the good grace not to say himself.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:40 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:38 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:22 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:09 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am


We don't know that Haas didn't offer.
Yes, but I guess we would have heard if they did
Why?
Why not?
Well who would say? Haas aren't going to say they've been snubbed are they and Grosjean probably has the good grace not to say himself.
I think that these things come out. I can't be sure of course and I am not trying to downplay Haas. But seeing how much publicity this has gathered and how much negative light is throwing at them, I'd guess they would indicate that indeed they offered a drive. Perhaps I am wishing too much!

Anyway, it is nothing to debate really. I'm just happy that he'll get the chance to drive a great car.

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Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:55 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:49 am
Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:37 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:39 am


The cynical bit is that it is another team that offered this to Romain, instead of his last one...
Simple budget issues I think.
Possibly yes. It is purely a PR thing, driving a 3 year old car. HAAS could only benefit from the positive PR, what with all the cr*p Mazepin put them through even before the season started.
We don't know that Haas didn't offer.
My memory is hazy but I believe the Merc offer was conditional on Haas not doing the same.
I recall the same. Something along the lines of { if no one else is willing to give him the opportunity we will.}
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Mayhem wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 4:00 pm
Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:55 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:49 am
Tufty wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:37 am


Simple budget issues I think.
Possibly yes. It is purely a PR thing, driving a 3 year old car. HAAS could only benefit from the positive PR, what with all the cr*p Mazepin put them through even before the season started.
We don't know that Haas didn't offer.
My memory is hazy but I believe the Merc offer was conditional on Haas not doing the same.
I recall the same. Something along the lines of { if no one else is willing to give him the opportunity we will.}
https://www.racefans.net/2020/12/05/mer ... heir-cars/

Pretty much as you remember it.

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So I guess we have our answer if Haas offered the test or not. Shame

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 5:12 pm
Mayhem wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 4:00 pm
I recall the same. Something along the lines of { if no one else is willing to give him the opportunity we will.}
https://www.racefans.net/2020/12/05/mer ... heir-cars/

Pretty much as you remember it.
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Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 7:17 pm
So I guess we have our answer if Haas offered the test or not. Shame
This video[1] claims it was because Haas didn't have a spare engine and gearbox for the old car to run the test.

[1]: https://youtu.be/YAPFHKhydHg?t=243

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Lord Crc wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 12:02 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 7:17 pm
So I guess we have our answer if Haas offered the test or not. Shame
This video[1] claims it was because Haas didn't have a spare engine and gearbox for the old car to run the test.

[1]: https://youtu.be/YAPFHKhydHg?t=243
Thank you, I wish it gave a bit more info, but it is what it is.

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It's not only Merc or Haas though is it?

When Wolff made the comment about Romain's previous teams, I assumed that Lotus/Renault/Alpine might have been in the mix to give him a test. Would have thought some good PR to be had putting French driver in French car.

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