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Seeing Romain getting out of that flaming cockpit like something out of a comic book movie was incredible to watch. He was in that burning car for a long time it seems. So lucky Romain!

Pest44 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:14 pm

If the race does restart wouldn’t they be better doing a rolling start instead of standing restart so there’s less chance of something like that happening again.

Turns 1,2 and 3 are asking for trouble in the mid pack

I hope not. A race start is just part of racing. Unfortunate that there was such an incident, but drivers just have to be sensible and find a way to not trip over each other. Just like every other race, and race starts

Bottas will re-start in fourth !

From what I see, Norris was squeezed between two cars (hence his front wing damage), Vettel had to take avoiding action and Stroll was a victim of that kn0ck-on effect. Looks as though some debris came at Grosjean's car - either from Stroll rejoining or perhaps Norris' wing at about the same time as the Alfa rejoining from his left plus the cars in front jostling and being relatively slow. Grosjean has reacted to that and, from what I think, misjudged his closing speed, jnked to the right into a gap which was not clear of Kvyat's front end.
Just my interpretation and I'm not absolving RoGro of any blame. Just happy to see him limp away from that.

FIA make up a whole new starting order lol

New starting grid is taken from the second safety car line, which is the end of the pit lane according to Andrew Benson.

Poignant that they showed images of Verstappen giving his bootlaces a good firm tie, as Grosrean lost a boot in his escape from the crash

Ted wasn’t in the commentary box with Martin at Canada in 2011.

Option or Prime wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:30 pm

How do you go through an Aramco barrier!

shoddy construction ? hans device was initially complained about my many, same with the halo. glad for both of them today. hope this ends the complaining about the halo. haven't seen a crash like that in decades. amazed he climbed out and walked away

How have they decided the order? Bottas was 6th after the middle of turn 1.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:32 pm

How have they decided the order? Bottas was 6th after the middle of turn 1.

Safety car two line.

After watching it again I have to see the majority of marshalls deserve absolutely no credit what so ever. Most just stood and watched. There is no way the doctor and driver of the medical car should beat the marshalls to aid a driver.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:32 pm

How have they decided the order? Bottas was 6th after the middle of turn 1.

That's bizarre. The moment the accident happened Bottas was 6th and making a move for fifth. I can't see how they've arrived at a fourth place start for him.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:34 pm

After watching it again I have to see the majority of marshalls deserve absolutely no credit what so ever. Most just stood and watched. There is no way the doctor and driver of the medical car should beat the marshalls to aid a driver.

Im gonna hold off criticising them till i know more, but it looked like most of the Marshalls don't have fire protection. The two that had heavier protection both approached the inferno.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:34 pm

After watching it again I have to see the majority of marshalls deserve absolutely no credit what so ever. Most just stood and watched. There is no way the doctor and driver of the medical car should beat the marshalls to aid a driver.

The marshals were stood on the barrier side of the fire which meant they were fully exposed to the heat radiation from the inferno which would have been very intense.

The medical car had the armco barrier between them and the fire which would have drastically reduced how hot it was.

I think it's very easy to sit on an arm chair and criticise.

JN23 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:34 pm

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:32 pm

How have they decided the order? Bottas was 6th after the middle of turn 1.

Safety car two line.

they are using the order the cars were in when they crossed safety car line 2

for people moaning about Bottas's gains, Vettel is now 10th and was 15th. There has been a reason given for this.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:34 pm

After watching it again I have to see the majority of marshalls deserve absolutely no credit what so ever. Most just stood and watched. There is no way the doctor and driver of the medical car should beat the marshalls to aid a driver.

I think you need way more info before making such a sweeping statement.

Alienturnedhuman wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:37 pm

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:34 pm

After watching it again I have to see the majority of marshalls deserve absolutely no credit what so ever. Most just stood and watched. There is no way the doctor and driver of the medical car should beat the marshalls to aid a driver.

The marshals were stood on the barrier side of the fire which meant they were fully exposed to the heat radiation from the inferno which would have been very intense.

The medical car had the armco barrier between them and the fire which would have drastically reduced how hot it was.

I think it's very easy to sit on an arm chair and criticise.

There were also marshalls from the otherside of the track that WALKED slowly over the track and stood and watched holding their fire extinguishers.

and another pretty concerting crash. Wow

Not great great from Kvyat that.

Stroll turned it like nobody was there and you just can't do that if you don't want an accident.

Bottas did not make the best of starts, but his luck compared to hamilton each season he's been at this team is getting rediculous.

JN23 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:44 pm

Not great great from Kvyat that.

Why? He couldn't get any further to the left. Stroll turned in on him.

JN23 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:44 pm

Not great great from Kvyat that.

Honestly, as much as he always gets caught up in trouble, both these, trouble found him. He didn't really do anything wrong both incidents

Who was Vettel complaining about?

Why does Otmar do these pit lane live interviews? He sounds hella bored of it all the time.

Really can't comprehend what Vettel is moaning about.

pokerman wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:47 pm

Who was Vettel complaining about?

Leclerc I believe going for a closing gap. Didn't see it but apparently was poor form.

Kvyat is driving a tank. I think both Stroll and Kvyat can take blame for that though.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:46 pm

JN23 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:44 pm

Not great great from Kvyat that.

Why? He couldn't get any further to the left. Stroll turned in on him.

I thought he went up the corner and was off track when they hit each other. But maybe that was because Stroll didn’t leave him any space.

Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:49 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:47 pm

Who was Vettel complaining about?

Leclerc I believe going for a closing gap. Didn't see it but apparently was poor form.

Thank you

well there you go mikey, Stroll clearly not at fault according to the stewards. though i think they both were

Bottas is just completely out of luck. What kind of Faustian bargain did he make for the Mercedes seat?

RB not going for the win so

Are Red Bull trying a one stop with Verstappen on the hards?

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:02 pm

well there you go mikey, Stroll clearly not at fault according to the stewards. though i think they both were

I don't know what you think it proves? I very firmly disagree with the stewards often. I know you have in the past as well.

JN23 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:14 pm

Are Red Bull trying a one stop with Verstappen on the hards?

looks like it

Perez might try and one stop from here. His pace against Verstappen suggests it.