Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken

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Rockie
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Re: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken

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What people fail to realise here is the Mercedes engine is the engine to have irrespective of what Ferrari did last year.

Even with Ferrari engine power upgrade, Mercedes basically pushed them home every race they won.

Not one race did Ferrari push Mercedes home, that tells you the power of the engine, in earlier years at low altitude Mercedes was always nowhere take any Singapore race or when its extremely hot.

Drivability and chassis integration is a very important factor in this era, thus Mercedes has focused on upgrading their chassis whilst others have had to focus on both engine and chassis reminiscent to the Redbull era where no one was doing anything to the engine it was all about aero work.

Now talking about the drivability racing point is an example getting a heads up from Merc pointing them in the right direction has given them a bounce in performance, I have no doubt in mind if Redbull had a Mercedes engine since '14 F1 will be more competitive right now.

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Re: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken

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Hamilton has strung together 5 consecutive wins for the first time since 2014. It looks like he has the form and opportunity to get to 9 to tie Vettel. Although, Hamilton often starts seasons poorly and we are returning to his bogey track in Australia where wins slip through his fingers with 2 wins from 8 poles.

If he extends his streak to 12 he'll destroy the consecutive wins record and match the longest streak from the first race of a season record.

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Re: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken

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Rockie wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:53 pm
What people fail to realise here is the Mercedes engine is the engine to have irrespective of what Ferrari did last year.

Even with Ferrari engine power upgrade, Mercedes basically pushed them home every race they won.

Not one race did Ferrari push Mercedes home, that tells you the power of the engine, in earlier years at low altitude Mercedes was always nowhere take any Singapore race or when its extremely hot.

Drivability and chassis integration is a very important factor in this era, thus Mercedes has focused on upgrading their chassis whilst others have had to focus on both engine and chassis reminiscent to the Redbull era where no one was doing anything to the engine it was all about aero work.

Now talking about the drivability racing point is an example getting a heads up from Merc pointing them in the right direction has given them a bounce in performance, I have no doubt in mind if Redbull had a Mercedes engine since '14 F1 will be more competitive right now.
Yeah that's why the Ferrari engine was protested because it didn't really give then any advantage?

That's why Mercedes panicked and pulled out all the stops to build a much better engine for this year in fear of Ferrari actually building a decent car.

We will want to keep peddling that Mercedes only win because of their engine.
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Re: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken

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pokerman wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:35 pm
Rockie wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:53 pm
What people fail to realise here is the Mercedes engine is the engine to have irrespective of what Ferrari did last year.

Even with Ferrari engine power upgrade, Mercedes basically pushed them home every race they won.

Not one race did Ferrari push Mercedes home, that tells you the power of the engine, in earlier years at low altitude Mercedes was always nowhere take any Singapore race or when its extremely hot.

Drivability and chassis integration is a very important factor in this era, thus Mercedes has focused on upgrading their chassis whilst others have had to focus on both engine and chassis reminiscent to the Redbull era where no one was doing anything to the engine it was all about aero work.

Now talking about the drivability racing point is an example getting a heads up from Merc pointing them in the right direction has given them a bounce in performance, I have no doubt in mind if Redbull had a Mercedes engine since '14 F1 will be more competitive right now.
Yeah that's why the Ferrari engine was protested because it didn't really give then any advantage?

That's why Mercedes panicked and pulled out all the stops to build a much better engine for this year in fear of Ferrari actually building a decent car.

We will want to keep peddling that Mercedes only win because of their engine.
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Re: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken

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pokerman wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:06 am
KingVoid wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:36 am
pokerman wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:43 pm
No but some seem to want to ignore that some years Mercedes had the best car, it gets in the way perhaps of complaining about engine domination.
You are arguing with a non-existent strawman.

I believe that the current engine rules make it almost impossible for Red Bull to compete against Mercedes on a level playing field.

What you heard was "Mercedes have a bad chassis"
Mercedes have won with inferior engines though, I doubt that Red Bull are always what they seem to be, also when was F1 ever a level playing field?
When has Formula 1 ever been this uncompetitive at the top for an 8 year period?

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KingVoid wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:14 pm
pokerman wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:06 am
KingVoid wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:36 am
pokerman wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:43 pm
No but some seem to want to ignore that some years Mercedes had the best car, it gets in the way perhaps of complaining about engine domination.
You are arguing with a non-existent strawman.

I believe that the current engine rules make it almost impossible for Red Bull to compete against Mercedes on a level playing field.

What you heard was "Mercedes have a bad chassis"
Mercedes have won with inferior engines though, I doubt that Red Bull are always what they seem to be, also when was F1 ever a level playing field?
When has Formula 1 ever been this uncompetitive at the top for an 8 year period?
Yes lol, you can't pretend the current lack of competition is normal. Over the last 7 seasons only 5 drivers have sat in a car that could win the championship. We have never seen anything close to that before.

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Re: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:45 pm
KingVoid wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:14 pm
pokerman wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:06 am
KingVoid wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:36 am
pokerman wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:43 pm
No but some seem to want to ignore that some years Mercedes had the best car, it gets in the way perhaps of complaining about engine domination.
You are arguing with a non-existent strawman.

I believe that the current engine rules make it almost impossible for Red Bull to compete against Mercedes on a level playing field.

What you heard was "Mercedes have a bad chassis"
Mercedes have won with inferior engines though, I doubt that Red Bull are always what they seem to be, also when was F1 ever a level playing field?
When has Formula 1 ever been this uncompetitive at the top for an 8 year period?
Yes lol, you can't pretend the current lack of competition is normal. Over the last 7 seasons only 5 drivers have sat in a car that could win the championship. We have never seen anything close to that before.
Safe to say that nothing will change in 2021, so that will be 8 years with just 5 drivers having machinery that could win a title.

For comparison, about 10 drivers had title winning machinery in the 8 year period from 1998-2005 (Schumi, Rubens, Mika, DC, Alonso, Kimi, JPM, Ralf, Fisi, Irvine). That was with Ferrari dominance right in the middle of of it, an era renowned for being boring.

From 2006-2013, about 12 drivers spent at least one season in title winning machinery (Alonso, Fisi, Schumi, Massa, Kimi, Lewis, Kovalainen, Button, Rubens, Vettel, Webber, Grosjean). Grosjean is the only debatable one in the 2012 Lotus.

If we look further in the past, from 1990-1997 there were 14 drivers with a WDC capable car (Senna, Prost, Berger, Mansell, Patrese, Hill, Schumacher, Verstappen, Herbert, Coulthard, Villeneueve, Frentzen, Irvine, Hakkinen).

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Re: Calling it now: Hamilton's records will never be broken

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KingVoid wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:14 pm
pokerman wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:06 am
KingVoid wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:36 am
pokerman wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:43 pm
No but some seem to want to ignore that some years Mercedes had the best car, it gets in the way perhaps of complaining about engine domination.
You are arguing with a non-existent strawman.

I believe that the current engine rules make it almost impossible for Red Bull to compete against Mercedes on a level playing field.

What you heard was "Mercedes have a bad chassis"
Mercedes have won with inferior engines though, I doubt that Red Bull are always what they seem to be, also when was F1 ever a level playing field?
When has Formula 1 ever been this uncompetitive at the top for an 8 year period?
True but there's always been the potential for it to happen, just throw in a lot more professionalism, anyway my post was merely to point out that Mercedes are not merely winning just because of their engine.
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