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Ready for Ferrari's 1000th GP? Are they?

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Is turn one going to be the only realistic place to overtake?

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JN23 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:59 pm
Is turn one going to be the only realistic place to overtake?
Yeah there will be very limited overtaking.
Should be a better showing for Ferrari in their 1000th GP, slow and twisty track, really the only one since Hungary, where they looked a lot better than at the recent power tracks.

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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:15 pm
JN23 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:59 pm
Is turn one going to be the only realistic place to overtake?
Yeah there will be very limited overtaking.
Should be a better showing for Ferrari in their 1000th GP, slow and twisty track, really the only one since Hungary, where they looked a lot better than at the recent power tracks.
I don't think Mugello is a slow track; Suzuka or Silverstone look like better comparisons. There are lots of high and mid-speed sweepers, one long straight, and no tight chicanes or hairpins. Weather looks warm but not boiling, so I'm expecting things to look a bit like Silverstone 1?

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Mugello is a medium speed circuit. And there is a combination of corners that is flat out. Merc have a track preview on there youtube channel which is worth a look.

Probably looking at a ple tome of 1.15.

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What's all the sandy coloured stuff on the outside of every corner?

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I think that the drivers will like the circuit from a driving point of view. Not so good for racing though I suspect. Still, will be interesting as a one-off.
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New drinking game.

Every time a Sky pundit mentions reverse grids this weekend, scull the alcoholic beverage of your choice.

Lets see how many of us are alive come Monday, or even for the start of Quali for that matter.
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Impressive stuff by Leclerc so far, what is he doing up there?

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Bacus wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:11 am
Impressive stuff by Leclerc so far, what is he doing up there?
It's FP1.
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pokerman wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:52 am
Bacus wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:11 am
Impressive stuff by Leclerc so far, what is he doing up there?
It's FP1.
I also think Ferrari might be decent here. Leclerc was good at both Silverstone races and some of that circuit is kinda similar to this. Definitely more similar than Spa/Monza. At the least I think they’ll be back in the midfield battle.

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And what the heck was Perez doing coming out of the pitlane and tagging Kimi.

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Seems like drivers still finding the limits a bit. Dunno what Perez was doing, but a bit stupid. Vettel seems to have an engine issue.

Verstappen just about quarter of a second off Bottas after P2. It’ll be interesting to see whether that grows or not for qualy. You’d expect it to do so based on the season so far but the gap between Merc and next best didn’t grow between P2 and qualy last week.

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Albon still a million miles away from Max Emilian Verstappen.

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Really love the Burgundy Red livery on Ferrari this weekend.
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Hamilton made a mention about how the tyres may hold up over the race. With a lot of medium and fast corners (I think it was said that they don't go any lower then 4th gear?) will the tyres be stressed a lot?
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Invade wrote:
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And what the heck was Perez doing coming out of the pitlane and tagging Kimi.
An attempt to get his seat by boarding, may be.
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Well Perez has earned him self a 1 place grid drop. He's not having his best of seasons, especially if many still think Stroll is a poor driver.

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Jezza13 wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:55 am
New drinking game.

Every time a Sky pundit mentions reverse grids this weekend, scull the alcoholic beverage of your choice.

Lets see how many of us are alive come Monday, or even for the start of Quali for that matter.
Ha, Kimi would probs cope but us mere mortals might struggle!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfP3NJqLKMQ

Vettel does indeed sound exactly like he's ready to move out of this team. He does seem to be getting an AWFUL lot of issues this year. He once had some suspicious and bizarre issues that take over 2 days to fix. He doesn't seem that bothered and the team don't seem that bothered about him. It is a mess.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfP3NJqLKMQ

Vettel does indeed sound exactly like he's ready to move out of this team. He does seem to be getting an AWFUL lot of issues this year. He once had some suspicious and bizarre issues that take over 2 days to fix. He doesn't seem that bothered and the team don't seem that bothered about him. It is a mess.
Sounds suspiciously like Daniel Ricciardo's last season at RBR.

Seems silly for teams to be throwing away points and the millions of euros that go with each point.
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Check has been given a grid penalty for his collision with kimi.

1 place grid penalty.


Like. What the hell. I've never heard of that before. It's usually 3 place grid drop. Not 1.
Inconsistent penalties applied once again.

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Mort Canard wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:35 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfP3NJqLKMQ

Vettel does indeed sound exactly like he's ready to move out of this team. He does seem to be getting an AWFUL lot of issues this year. He once had some suspicious and bizarre issues that take over 2 days to fix. He doesn't seem that bothered and the team don't seem that bothered about him. It is a mess.
Sounds suspiciously like Daniel Ricciardo's last season at RBR.

Seems silly for teams to be throwing away points and the millions of euros that go with each point.
Now that Vettel has a ride for next year, he should simply walk away from Ferrari. Team is not interested in preparing a car equal to LeC, so they must not need the points or the sponsor exposure. Who's the Ferrari back-up driver?

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I guess Vettel would find himself in breach of contract if he did that, and have to pay damages to a team that seem to be rubbing salt into the wound having already told him his services were no longer required.

1 place penalty? The stewards must be feeling sorry for him after his being dropped. If they are making the rules up as they go along it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the weekend. Any penalty points? Causing a collision is usually a minimum of 2.

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DFWdude wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:19 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:35 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfP3NJqLKMQ

Vettel does indeed sound exactly like he's ready to move out of this team. He does seem to be getting an AWFUL lot of issues this year. He once had some suspicious and bizarre issues that take over 2 days to fix. He doesn't seem that bothered and the team don't seem that bothered about him. It is a mess.
Sounds suspiciously like Daniel Ricciardo's last season at RBR.

Seems silly for teams to be throwing away points and the millions of euros that go with each point.
Now that Vettel has a ride for next year, he should simply walk away from Ferrari. Team is not interested in preparing a car equal to LeC, so they must not need the points or the sponsor exposure. Who's the Ferrari back-up driver?
Giovinazzi. Kubica would then replace Gio at Alfa.

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-K- wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:41 am
I guess Vettel would find himself in breach of contract if he did that, and have to pay damages to a team that seem to be rubbing salt into the wound having already told him his services were no longer required.

1 place penalty? The stewards must be feeling sorry for him after his being dropped. If they are making the rules up as they go along it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the weekend. Any penalty points? Causing a collision is usually a minimum of 2.
Bottas only got a reprimand for hitting Grosjean in abu dhabi last year and that looked worse than what Perez did.I do wonder if a lack of a harsher penalty was due to the fact Bottas was already starting at the back and it was the end of the season - though he could have got penalty points but didn't. I thought they could decide any number of grid drops.I thought there had been a 1 and 2 place drop at times in the past couple of years? I think this is the right decision for Perez.

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-K- wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:41 am
I guess Vettel would find himself in breach of contract if he did that, and have to pay damages to a team that seem to be rubbing salt into the wound having already told him his services were no longer required
Yes, I suppose I agree he would be in breach of contract. Just as Ferrari are in breach of contract for not providing him a car equal to his teammate. I'm sure that language is in his contract.

I'm just watching Vettel finish Q1 in 15th, while Leclerc is 6th. No way they are that far apart with "equal" cars. Shameful.

A 4-time WDC does not need to put up with childish behavior from his team, even if it is almighty (or not) Ferrari. I'd throw a single Euro on the table and tell Ferrari where they can put it.
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Something odd with Vettel and Ferrari.

Lots you can criticise Vettel for, but lack of speed rarely has been one of them.

Like many others, I'm calling shennanigans.

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Badgeronimous wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:24 pm
Something odd with Vettel and Ferrari.

Lots you can criticise Vettel for, but lack of speed rarely has been one of them.

Like many others, I'm calling shennanigans.
Yeah, and I think drawing any conclusions on Vettel's ability from this season would be shortsighted. No way is he getting equal treatment.
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My god. Max's radio complaning about a driver being told to leave his pits........ Just get on with driving Max!
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Badgeronimous wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:24 pm
Something odd with Vettel and Ferrari.

Lots you can criticise Vettel for, but lack of speed rarely has been one of them.

Like many others, I'm calling shennanigans.
Like many others, but not actually anyone who's got anything to do with the sport.
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Renault's pace caught me by surprise.
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:32 pm
Badgeronimous wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:24 pm
Something odd with Vettel and Ferrari.

Lots you can criticise Vettel for, but lack of speed rarely has been one of them.

Like many others, I'm calling shennanigans.
Yeah, and I think drawing any conclusions on Vettel's ability from this season would be shortsighted. No way is he getting equal treatment.
What do Ferrari have to gain from not giving him equal treatment? And given as Leclerc was slightly better last year, in his first season for Ferrari and second in F1 why is it unbelievable he would extend his gap over Vettel? It's pretty much what anyone would logically expect.

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DFWdude wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:17 pm
-K- wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:41 am
I guess Vettel would find himself in breach of contract if he did that, and have to pay damages to a team that seem to be rubbing salt into the wound having already told him his services were no longer required
Yes, I suppose I agree he would be in breach of contract. Just as Ferrari are in breach of contract for not providing him a car equal to his teammate. I'm sure that language is in his contract.

I'm just watching Vettel finish Q1 in 15th, while LeClerc is 6th. No way they are that far apart with "equal" cars. Shameful.

A 4-time WDC does not need to put up with childish behavior from his team, even if it is almighty (or not) Ferrari. I'd throw a single Euro on the table and tell Ferrari where they can put it.
And lose a lot of money rather than make a lot of money. Smart move.

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Badgeronimous wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:24 pm
Something odd with Vettel and Ferrari.

Lots you can criticise Vettel for, but lack of speed rarely has been one of them.

Like many others, I'm calling shennanigans.
Shennanigans from Ferrari or Vettel?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:43 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:32 pm
Badgeronimous wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:24 pm
Something odd with Vettel and Ferrari.

Lots you can criticise Vettel for, but lack of speed rarely has been one of them.

Like many others, I'm calling shennanigans.
Yeah, and I think drawing any conclusions on Vettel's ability from this season would be shortsighted. No way is he getting equal treatment.
What do Ferrari have to gain from not giving him equal treatment? And given as Leclerc was slightly better last year, in his first season for Ferrari and second in F1 why is it unbelievable he would extend his gap over Vettel? It's pretty much what anyone would logically expect.
Exactly. It could just be, and Vettel fans won't like to think about this, that Leclerc could just be a faster driver at the moment or that his driving style can cope with this year's Ferrari better than Seb's. It's been talked about many times that Max likes a pointy car and if the RB is like that, his team mates struggle. Schumacher was the same at Ferrari. Maybe, just maybe. Seb isn't currently driving as fast as Charles!!!!! It's sport. This kind of thing happens and it's kind of the point of sport, to see who is the best.
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Badgeronimous wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:24 pm
Something odd with Vettel and Ferrari.

Lots you can criticise Vettel for, but lack of speed rarely has been one of them.

Like many others, I'm calling shennanigans.
May be it just shows the current level of Vettel compared to Leclerc (in this year car, not to offend the believers)
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:43 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:32 pm
Badgeronimous wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:24 pm
Something odd with Vettel and Ferrari.

Lots you can criticise Vettel for, but lack of speed rarely has been one of them.

Like many others, I'm calling shennanigans.
Yeah, and I think drawing any conclusions on Vettel's ability from this season would be shortsighted. No way is he getting equal treatment.
What do Ferrari have to gain from not giving him equal treatment? And given as Leclerc was slightly better last year, in his first season for Ferrari and second in F1 why is it unbelievable he would extend his gap over Vettel? It's pretty much what anyone would logically expect.
Firstly, they gain by painting the picture that sacking Vettel was the right thing to do. Secondly, I believe it is more the case of neglect. Have you not seen the last few race weekends? He's had engine woes, brakes on fire, exceptionally poor strategy calls - what's to say Leclerc's not given preferential treatment on car development parts, and that the best engineers care more towards Leclerc's car?

And you know well enough yourself that rarely do young drivers improve by that much in qualifying in successive years. They were pretty even last year, no way does Leclerc suddenly have five tenths up on Vettel. Vettel and Leclerc are both top tier qualifiers - it would be nearly impossible for Leclerc to pull a further handful of tenths on a driver who can extract near maximum from the car.
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:51 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:43 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:32 pm
Badgeronimous wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:24 pm
Something odd with Vettel and Ferrari.

Lots you can criticise Vettel for, but lack of speed rarely has been one of them.

Like many others, I'm calling shennanigans.
Yeah, and I think drawing any conclusions on Vettel's ability from this season would be shortsighted. No way is he getting equal treatment.
What do Ferrari have to gain from not giving him equal treatment? And given as Leclerc was slightly better last year, in his first season for Ferrari and second in F1 why is it unbelievable he would extend his gap over Vettel? It's pretty much what anyone would logically expect.
Firstly, they gain by painting the picture that sacking Vettel was the right thing to do. Secondly, I believe it is more the case of neglect. Have you not seen the last few race weekends? He's had engine woes, brakes on fire, exceptionally poor strategy calls - what's to say Leclerc's not given preferential treatment on car development parts, and that the best engineers care more towards Leclerc's car?

And you know well enough yourself that rarely do young drivers improve by that much in qualifying in successive years. They were pretty even last year, no way does Leclerc suddenly have five tenths up on Vettel. Vettel and Leclerc are both top tier qualifiers - it would be nearly impossible for Leclerc to pull a further handful of tenths on a driver who can extract near maximum from the car.
You mean he could get the same treatment as Webber when both where at RBR ?
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Was Vettel getting sabotaged last year as well when Leclerc was always outperforming him?

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