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pokerman wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:58 pm
JN23 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:50 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:45 pm
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Isn't the main thing Vettel did was keep it on the road? I don't remember anything extraordinary about the drive. Didn't seem particularly quick and had a platform at the end to be racey, though apparently was close to making a very serious error on the last lap. That's all my memory vaguely recalls.
I watched Germany 2019 fairly recently and paid attention to Vettel as I remembered there was debate on here at the time about how good his drive was. My impression watching again was that Vettel started the race well and ended the race well (with the exception of his last lap mistake) when the track dried out, but in the middle he was pretty anonymous and just kept it on the road.
How did Vettel start the race well when he was struggling to keep up with the midfield cars on the wet track whilst Leclerc was running near the front?
He overtook quite a few cars in the opening laps. Leclerc’s pace wasn’t great compared to Hamilton/Bottas/Verstappen until he stopped for new inters.
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... n%20Vettel
So a driver coming through traffic is a second slower than the guy in clear air colour me shocked.

You might want to compare him to Hamilton and Verstappen he was running it!

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Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:03 pm
You might want to compare him to Hamilton and Verstappen he was running it!
Since you asked, he was generally quicker than Verstappen (faster on 17 out of 27 laps) and slower than Hamilton (faster on 8 out of 27 laps).
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JN23 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:00 pm
pokerman wrote:
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JN23 wrote:
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I watched Germany 2019 fairly recently and paid attention to Vettel as I remembered there was debate on here at the time about how good his drive was. My impression watching again was that Vettel started the race well and ended the race well (with the exception of his last lap mistake) when the track dried out, but in the middle he was pretty anonymous and just kept it on the road.
How did Vettel start the race well when he was struggling to keep up with the midfield cars on the wet track whilst Leclerc was running near the front?
He overtook quite a few cars in the opening laps. Leclerc’s pace wasn’t great compared to Hamilton/Bottas/Verstappen until he stopped for new inters.
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... n%20Vettel
And?

Leclerc’s pace wasn’t good compared to the front three, I didn’t say it wasn’t good compared to Vettel.

Vettel was mid pack, having a mediocre race after a good opening.
Passing a couple of back marker cars?

Vettel started last, made up so many places and then got stuck, I remember it being said he then was struggling to keep pace with the cars in front of him, Leclerc started 10th and then did he not get up to 4th?
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Exediron wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:03 pm
You might want to compare him to Hamilton and Verstappen he was running it!
Since you asked, he was generally quicker than Verstappen (faster on 17 out of 27 laps) and slower than Hamilton (faster on 8 out of 27 laps).
Before his pitstop he was faster about 3 laps and Redbull putting Verstappen on the harder tyre made him slower which he later spun on.

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Exediron wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
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You might want to compare him to Hamilton and Verstappen he was running it!
Since you asked, he was generally quicker than Verstappen (faster on 17 out of 27 laps) and slower than Hamilton (faster on 8 out of 27 laps).
Indeed

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... Verstappen

Whilst Vettel was struggling to keep up with midfield cars.
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Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:17 pm
Exediron wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:03 pm
You might want to compare him to Hamilton and Verstappen he was running it!
Since you asked, he was generally quicker than Verstappen (faster on 17 out of 27 laps) and slower than Hamilton (faster on 8 out of 27 laps).
Before his pitstop he was faster about 3 laps and Redbull putting Verstappen on the harder tyre made him slower which he later spun on.
Before the stop Leclerc was faster in 6 out of 14 laps and let's not forget that Leclerc started 10th and was passing cars.
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Alright good to know my memory isn't always crap then. Flattering result for Vettel at the 2019 German GP it is.

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pokerman wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:23 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:17 pm
Exediron wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:03 pm
You might want to compare him to Hamilton and Verstappen he was running it!
Since you asked, he was generally quicker than Verstappen (faster on 17 out of 27 laps) and slower than Hamilton (faster on 8 out of 27 laps).
Before his pitstop he was faster about 3 laps and Redbull putting Verstappen on the harder tyre made him slower which he later spun on.
Before the stop Leclerc was faster in 6 out of 14 laps and let's not forget that Leclerc started 10th and was passing cars.
Verstappen was stuck behind Bottas and made an attempt or two to pass but couldn’t make it stick. That might explain Leclerc being quicker at some points.

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I don't know if this has been covered, was wondering what happened to Kvyatt? He started on the hards and should by all means have gone to the red flag and do only one stop like Stroll. Not only that, he should have been ahead of his team mate. Did he pit with the crowd? I re watched the race but could not make him out nor was it mentioned by Sky team.

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Yes Kvyat was unlucky he was stuck behind Gasly and then the red flag ruined his race. Gasly performance after the red flag was also impressive and it was exciting race after the red flag.
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pokerman wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:23 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:17 pm
Exediron wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:03 pm
You might want to compare him to Hamilton and Verstappen he was running it!
Since you asked, he was generally quicker than Verstappen (faster on 17 out of 27 laps) and slower than Hamilton (faster on 8 out of 27 laps).
Before his pitstop he was faster about 3 laps and Redbull putting Verstappen on the harder tyre made him slower which he later spun on.
Before the stop Leclerc was faster in 6 out of 14 laps and let's not forget that Leclerc started 10th and was passing cars.
Re-watch the race.

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JN23 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:13 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:23 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:17 pm
Exediron wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:03 pm
You might want to compare him to Hamilton and Verstappen he was running it!
Since you asked, he was generally quicker than Verstappen (faster on 17 out of 27 laps) and slower than Hamilton (faster on 8 out of 27 laps).
Before his pitstop he was faster about 3 laps and Redbull putting Verstappen on the harder tyre made him slower which he later spun on.
Before the stop Leclerc was faster in 6 out of 14 laps and let's not forget that Leclerc started 10th and was passing cars.
Verstappen was stuck behind Bottas and made an attempt or two to pass but couldn’t make it stick. That might explain Leclerc being quicker at some points.
Yes I did realise that, fair to say that Verstappen would have been quicker given clear track, however Bottas himself was heading for the podium so that was a position that Leclerc was competing for whereas Vettel was struggling to keep up with midfield cars.
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Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:47 am
pokerman wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:23 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:17 pm
Exediron wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:03 pm
You might want to compare him to Hamilton and Verstappen he was running it!
Since you asked, he was generally quicker than Verstappen (faster on 17 out of 27 laps) and slower than Hamilton (faster on 8 out of 27 laps).
Before his pitstop he was faster about 3 laps and Redbull putting Verstappen on the harder tyre made him slower which he later spun on.
Before the stop Leclerc was faster in 6 out of 14 laps and let's not forget that Leclerc started 10th and was passing cars.
Re-watch the race.
If in respect to Verstappen I've already posted, for the rest I actually have a good recount of the race in the early stages, Leclerc had strong pace whereas it was commented at the time how much Vettel was struggling against the midfield cars.

Let's not forget that last year the Ferrari was an elite car, Leclerc went from 10th to 4th, Vettel wasn't even running in the top 10, Leclerc managed to make his way past cars that were faster than the cars that Vettel couldn't keep pace with, the lap times themselves bear witness to how slow he was.
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pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:21 pm
JN23 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:13 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:23 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:17 pm
Exediron wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:11 pm


Since you asked, he was generally quicker than Verstappen (faster on 17 out of 27 laps) and slower than Hamilton (faster on 8 out of 27 laps).
Before his pitstop he was faster about 3 laps and Redbull putting Verstappen on the harder tyre made him slower which he later spun on.
Before the stop Leclerc was faster in 6 out of 14 laps and let's not forget that Leclerc started 10th and was passing cars.
Verstappen was stuck behind Bottas and made an attempt or two to pass but couldn’t make it stick. That might explain Leclerc being quicker at some points.
Yes I did realise that, fair to say that Verstappen would have been quicker given clear track, however Bottas himself was heading for the podium so that was a position that Leclerc was competing for whereas Vettel was struggling to keep up with midfield cars.
He started dead last on the grid due to breakdown in qualy, in the wet was he meant to be on same pace with those in front in clear air?

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Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:08 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:21 pm
JN23 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:13 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:23 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:17 pm


Before his pitstop he was faster about 3 laps and Redbull putting Verstappen on the harder tyre made him slower which he later spun on.
Before the stop Leclerc was faster in 6 out of 14 laps and let's not forget that Leclerc started 10th and was passing cars.
Verstappen was stuck behind Bottas and made an attempt or two to pass but couldn’t make it stick. That might explain Leclerc being quicker at some points.
Yes I did realise that, fair to say that Verstappen would have been quicker given clear track, however Bottas himself was heading for the podium so that was a position that Leclerc was competing for whereas Vettel was struggling to keep up with midfield cars.
He started dead last on the grid due to breakdown in qualy, in the wet was he meant to be on same pace with those in front in clear air?
Leclerc started 10th and moved up to 4th after passing cars that were faster than Vettel would have had to pass, Leclerc was 2 seconds a lap faster, that's the kind of pace that should have enabled Vettel to clear the midfield but he couldn't, could you imagine the likes of either Hamlton or Verstappen not making short notice of midfield cars?
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pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:59 pm
Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:08 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:21 pm
JN23 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:13 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:23 pm

Before the stop Leclerc was faster in 6 out of 14 laps and let's not forget that Leclerc started 10th and was passing cars.
Verstappen was stuck behind Bottas and made an attempt or two to pass but couldn’t make it stick. That might explain Leclerc being quicker at some points.
Yes I did realise that, fair to say that Verstappen would have been quicker given clear track, however Bottas himself was heading for the podium so that was a position that Leclerc was competing for whereas Vettel was struggling to keep up with midfield cars.
He started dead last on the grid due to breakdown in qualy, in the wet was he meant to be on same pace with those in front in clear air?
Leclerc started 10th and moved up to 4th after passing cars that were faster than Vettel would have had to pass, Leclerc was 2 seconds a lap faster, that's the kind of pace that should have enabled Vettel to clear the midfield but he couldn't, could you imagine the likes of either Hamlton or Verstappen not making short notice of midfield cars?
Like said go watch the race then you'll see how ridiculous your arguments are.

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Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:44 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:59 pm
Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:08 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:21 pm
JN23 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:13 pm


Verstappen was stuck behind Bottas and made an attempt or two to pass but couldn’t make it stick. That might explain Leclerc being quicker at some points.
Yes I did realise that, fair to say that Verstappen would have been quicker given clear track, however Bottas himself was heading for the podium so that was a position that Leclerc was competing for whereas Vettel was struggling to keep up with midfield cars.
He started dead last on the grid due to breakdown in qualy, in the wet was he meant to be on same pace with those in front in clear air?
Leclerc started 10th and moved up to 4th after passing cars that were faster than Vettel would have had to pass, Leclerc was 2 seconds a lap faster, that's the kind of pace that should have enabled Vettel to clear the midfield but he couldn't, could you imagine the likes of either Hamlton or Verstappen not making short notice of midfield cars?
Like said go watch the race then you'll see how ridiculous your arguments are.
I think you have a valid point. Vettel only did 5 racing laps. And at least two of them, he had problems before his breaks failed. You just can't judge Vettel's pace this race. While we can't confirm if he would have crashed out like Leclerc, it is unlikely. Nobody else did. Leclerc was the only driver witha self inflicted retirement. Vettel likely would have brought it home. Leclerc binned it. Leclerc never climbed up from 10th to 4th all by genuine overtakes - only one or two were. Virtually all of those places from 13th and up were given to him. The commentators on Channel 4 noted that he really benifitted from the safety car too. It was seconds after barely 2 minutes from this he binned his opportunity. It seems to be stroll getting critisized for messing up his race. Leclerc harmed his race far more.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:04 pm
Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:44 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:59 pm
Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:08 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:21 pm

Yes I did realise that, fair to say that Verstappen would have been quicker given clear track, however Bottas himself was heading for the podium so that was a position that Leclerc was competing for whereas Vettel was struggling to keep up with midfield cars.
He started dead last on the grid due to breakdown in qualy, in the wet was he meant to be on same pace with those in front in clear air?
Leclerc started 10th and moved up to 4th after passing cars that were faster than Vettel would have had to pass, Leclerc was 2 seconds a lap faster, that's the kind of pace that should have enabled Vettel to clear the midfield but he couldn't, could you imagine the likes of either Hamlton or Verstappen not making short notice of midfield cars?
Like said go watch the race then you'll see how ridiculous your arguments are.
I think you have a valid point. Vettel only did 5 racing laps. And at least two of them, he had problems before his breaks failed. You just can't judge Vettel's pace this race. While we can't confirm if he would have crashed out like Leclerc, it is unlikely. Nobody else did. Leclerc was the only driver witha self inflicted retirement. Vettel likely would have brought it home. Leclerc binned it. Leclerc never climbed up from 10th to 4th all by genuine overtakes - only one or two were. Virtually all of those places from 13th and up were given to him. The commentators on Channel 4 noted that he really benifitted from the safety car too. It was seconds after barely 2 minutes from this he binned his opportunity. It seems to be stroll getting critisized for messing up his race. Leclerc harmed his race far more.
This debate is about Germany 2019, not last weekend.

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Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:44 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:59 pm
Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:08 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:21 pm
JN23 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:13 pm


Verstappen was stuck behind Bottas and made an attempt or two to pass but couldn’t make it stick. That might explain Leclerc being quicker at some points.
Yes I did realise that, fair to say that Verstappen would have been quicker given clear track, however Bottas himself was heading for the podium so that was a position that Leclerc was competing for whereas Vettel was struggling to keep up with midfield cars.
He started dead last on the grid due to breakdown in qualy, in the wet was he meant to be on same pace with those in front in clear air?
Leclerc started 10th and moved up to 4th after passing cars that were faster than Vettel would have had to pass, Leclerc was 2 seconds a lap faster, that's the kind of pace that should have enabled Vettel to clear the midfield but he couldn't, could you imagine the likes of either Hamlton or Verstappen not making short notice of midfield cars?
Like said go watch the race then you'll see how ridiculous your arguments are.
I actually remember them going to Vettel's onboard and they were quizzing why he was struggling to keep up with the cars in front of him, now I watch the highlights and I was wrong about Vettel he was coming through the field nicely, the commentary team gave me the wrong impression about Vettel's race and then the live timing backed that up with the slow laps not realising that Vettel was being held up, I have the basic timing without the gaps between cars..
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(Germany 2019) Ultimately Vettel finished second. Button (who I'm a fan of btw) was lauded for his incredible win in Canada 2011 but if you extract his performance from the first part of the race alone, you'll paint quite a different picture.
Perhaps Vettel wasn't on the pace earlier in the race but he kept it together, made up a few places on merit, made the best of opportunities provided and put himself on the podium.
The point I'm making is, how much does it matter what your pace or ability to overtake is relative to another driver if the other driver fails to keep it on the circuit?
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(Germany 2019) Ultimately Vettel finished second. Button (who I'm a fan of btw) was lauded for his incredible win in Canada 2011 but if you extract his performance from the first part of the race alone, you'll paint quite a different picture.
Perhaps Vettel wasn't on the pace earlier in the race but he kept it together, made up a few places on merit, made the best of opportunities provided and put himself on the podium.
The point I'm making is, how much does it matter what your pace or ability to overtake is relative to another driver if the other driver fails to keep it on the circuit?
Quite a lot really. It shows that you aren't extracting the most from your car. Leclerc making an error on one lap (that many made) doesn't really change that.

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pokerman wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:17 am
Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:44 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:59 pm
Rockie wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:08 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:21 pm

Yes I did realise that, fair to say that Verstappen would have been quicker given clear track, however Bottas himself was heading for the podium so that was a position that Leclerc was competing for whereas Vettel was struggling to keep up with midfield cars.
He started dead last on the grid due to breakdown in qualy, in the wet was he meant to be on same pace with those in front in clear air?
Leclerc started 10th and moved up to 4th after passing cars that were faster than Vettel would have had to pass, Leclerc was 2 seconds a lap faster, that's the kind of pace that should have enabled Vettel to clear the midfield but he couldn't, could you imagine the likes of either Hamlton or Verstappen not making short notice of midfield cars?
Like said go watch the race then you'll see how ridiculous your arguments are.
I actually remember them going to Vettel's onboard and they were quizzing why he was struggling to keep up with the cars in front of him, now I watch the highlights and I was wrong about Vettel he was coming through the field nicely, the commentary team gave me the wrong impression about Vettel's race and then the live timing backed that up with the slow laps not realising that Vettel was being held up, I have the basic timing without the gaps between cars..
The worst part of this, is you have been arguing without knowledge of what you were talking about, describing a race using laptimes and results "Google argument".

The commentary gave you an impression, so what you were watching with your eyes you could not make sense of it you had to listen to Croft and Brundle to actually explain to you.

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Germany 2019 is well off-topic for the race thread. Please take it elsewhere.

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schumilegend wrote:
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kleefton wrote:
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The people comparing Rosberg and Bottas seem to have forgotten that Rosberg had it much easier because the 14-16' Merc was quite a bit more dominant than the 2017-2019 cars. Rosberg really only had Hamilton to worry about. Bottas had to worry about Vettel, Ricciardo, Verstappen and even Kimi to a lesser extent. Just made it a lot tougher. Rosberg had more of an attitude to him and was more of a fighter, but speed wise they are probably the same. I'd give the qualifying edge to Bottas and give the race to Rosberg

Also Vettel > Bottas for me. I cannot picture Bottas executing that 2012 Brazil drive that secured Vettel's third championship. Vettel is also a lot more agressive in wheel to wheel combat, will not spend his whole Sunday afternoons behind cars he is faster than, even if he sometimes gets it wrong. To me it seems very unfair to claim that Vettel at his best = Bottas. Not a chance.
But don't the stats show that Rosberg was closer on average in qualifying? Also he quite regularly gave Hamilton a sound beating in qualifying IIRC. It wasn't a case of Hamilton being edged out as is typically the case with Bottas, but Rosberg quite regularly put tenths on Hamilton.
Fair point. But persoally all the times Rosberg handed Hamilton his pickle in qualifying i always felt that it was Ham underperfirming. Hamilton did not become this consistent winning machine until mid 2017 imo. Before that there were quite a few weekends where he was off the pace. Even his former teammate Button mentioned it. He simply had weekends where he wasnt motivated. You dont see that anymore.
So Hamilton all of a sudden eliminated all weakness when he was 35 yrs old ?? That doesn't make any sense..What makes sense rather is Bottas doesn't provide any competition to Hamilton who isn't pushed like before and thus doesn't make any mistakes anymore
Rosberg did not really push hamilton. He was ahead in qualifying quite a few times only to get completely obliterated in many of the races he did outqualify Hamilton. There is nothing to suggest that Hamilton has lost any skill at 35 or that 35 is an old age for an F1 driver.

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Re: 2020 Italian Grand Prix Race Thread

Post by Invade »

I reckon Hamilton can be strong into is 40s if he can maintain the motivation. This ain't like tennis or basketball where the knees become creaky and you end up perhaps needing surgeries which forever end your prime. Not saying age isn't a factor but I'm sure Hamilton would say that his massive experience makes up for any smidge of speed he may (or may not) have lost.

And I expect Alonso to be on it in pretty sharp time upon his return. He knows these cars well enough and it won't be an alien circumstance for him, and in 2022 it's a new puzzle for everyone. As adaptable as Alonso is, I fancy him to get on top of and solve that new puzzle pretty quickly.

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