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Hopefully it's an exciting race!

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First laughs go to Mercedes, but now there's the question of PU reliability. Let's see.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:40 pm
Hopefully it's an exciting race!
Any excitement will likely come from behind the front row of the grid. I don't see anyone having much for Lewis and Valtteri if they both get good starts.

Max versus Carlos and Checo could be interesting. Likewise Daniel and Lance against Alex could be worthwhile.
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I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.

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BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:34 pm
I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.
He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:52 pm
BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:34 pm
I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.
He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
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Invade wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:43 pm
First laughs go to Mercedes, but now there's the question of PU reliability. Let's see.
Indeed, how much of a party the Mercedes engine is having this weekend is the question. They may have attributed too high of a setting judging by that astronomical qualifying performance.
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:35 pm
Invade wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:43 pm
First laughs go to Mercedes, but now there's the question of PU reliability. Let's see.
Indeed, how much of a party the Mercedes engine is having this weekend is the question. They may have attributed too high of a setting judging by that astronomical qualifying performance.
I am pretty sure that Toto knows the engine settings and resulting ICU longevity. I will be very surprised if Merc have to go for another engine, turbo, MGu-K or other component before they are due to expire.
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Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:40 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:35 pm
Invade wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:43 pm
First laughs go to Mercedes, but now there's the question of PU reliability. Let's see.
Indeed, how much of a party the Mercedes engine is having this weekend is the question. They may have attributed too high of a setting judging by that astronomical qualifying performance.
I am pretty sure that Toto knows the engine settings and resulting ICU longevity. I will be very surprised if Merc have to go for another engine, turbo, MGu-K or other component before they are due to expire.
Oh, I don't doubt. I just find, judging by the performance gap, that they may have their engine setting turned up much higher than what it would normally be during a race.
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:57 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:40 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:35 pm


Indeed, how much of a party the Mercedes engine is having this weekend is the question. They may have attributed too high of a setting judging by that astronomical qualifying performance.
I am pretty sure that Toto knows the engine settings and resulting ICU longevity. I will be very surprised if Merc have to go for another engine, turbo, MGu-K or other component before they are due to expire.
Oh, I don't doubt. I just find, judging by the performance gap, that they may have their engine setting turned up much higher than what it would normally be during a race.
The metric I have always heard is that one Quali lap in Party Mode is equivalent to five laps in Race Mode in terms of wear for the ICE & Turbo.

Toto has said that giving up Party Mode in Quali would mean that they can up their race settings a bit and still maintain longevity. After today's demonstration that is a bit scary to think that Lewis and Valteri will go faster than their previous normal.

I am not expecting durability issues but we will have to see.
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Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:52 pm
BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:34 pm
I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.
He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.

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It Bottas gets a go it’s mostly likely going to be going around the outside at the 2nd chicane. That’s where the lap 1 action usually happens and no way does Hamilton give up the inside into that chicane. It is a decent run to turn one though so anything can happen.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:52 pm
BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:34 pm
I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.
He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He will get praise from those that don't want Hamilton to win.
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pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:29 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:52 pm
BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:34 pm
I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.
He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He will get praise from those that don't want Hamilton to win.
You mean from those who want an actual fight for the championship rather than a 10 race coronation?

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:52 pm
BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:34 pm
I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.
He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He'll get praise for at least trying. In his current position it's the right thing to do. What does he gain from finishing second to Hamilton again? I assume his goal is to actual be world champion...

To do that at some point you have to stop rolling out the red carpet like he did at turn 1 of the British Grand Prix and make things a bit difficult for the other guy. Right now a second place to Hamilton has as much worth as a retirement so he has nothing to lose.
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Johnson wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:02 pm
It Bottas gets a go it’s mostly likely going to be going around the outside at the 2nd chicane. That’s where the lap 1 action usually happens and no way does Hamilton give up the inside into that chicane. It is a decent run to turn one though so anything can happen.
I don't see Bottas going for that. I have a feeling it's turn 1 or bust.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:44 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:29 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:52 pm


He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He will get praise from those that don't want Hamilton to win.
You mean from those who want an actual fight for the championship rather than a 10 race coronation?
If that's what you would be happy to see then yes.
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Bottas is not going to take any chances. He is just not that kind of driver. The only way I see him ahead on lap one is if Hamilton makes a mistake or blows the start. But I am expecting a boring race at the front. The real race is going to be behind the Mercs. It is unfortunate that Hamilton doesn' t have a true rival this year but it is what it is and I think we must learn to accept it. The championship is pretty much over barring some very significant misfortunes for Hamilton. It is terrible news for F1 but yeah...it is what it is.

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pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:29 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:52 pm
BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:34 pm
I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.
He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He will get praise from those that don't want Hamilton to win.
Poker, to be brutally truthful: no one apart from Hamilton fans want Hamilton to win because it’s stale, boring and predictable.

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BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:34 pm
I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.
There is a bigger chance of Verstappen beating Bottas than there is of Bottas winning the WDC.

Which is hard to believe considering how dominant the W11 is, but here we are.

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Wonder if Sainz & Perez are running marginally higher engine modes than the ones they beat in Q3?
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pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:49 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:44 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:29 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
[/u][/b]
Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He will get praise from those that don't want Hamilton to win.
You mean from those who want an actual fight for the championship rather than a 10 race coronation?
If that's what you would be happy to see then yes.
I don't think wanting to see a battle for wins and the championship is a particularly far out there opinion to be honest.

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I don't think the many people mind Hamilton winning, per se. It's more that it's becoming so predictable that it's almost stagnant. Even Hamilton has stated that he'd rather be in a battle than running away from the rest and went so far as to say that he wold not have watched the last GP back on the TV.
Bottas is the only other driver in equal machinery and people want him to take a bit more of a chance / be a little more aggressive so that we actually have a race for the lead.
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Can't see anything other than a Mercedes walk up front, hoping Sainz and Perez will be able to keep around Max for a bit of actual racing to occur. Can't wait to see the look on Horner and Marko's faces if Mercedes warnings about the engine modes being banned only helping them more come to pass.
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tootsie323 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:05 am
I don't think the many people mind Hamilton winning, per se. It's more that it's becoming so predictable that it's almost stagnant. Even Hamilton has stated that he'd rather be in a battle than running away from the rest and went so far as to say that he wold not have watched the last GP back on the TV.
Bottas is the only other driver in equal machinery and people want him to take a bit more of a chance / be a little more aggressive so that we actually have a race for the lead.
I don't mind Hamilton winning. I just don't want the chance of him winning to be >95% by the end of the first lap.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:47 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:52 pm
BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:34 pm
I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.
He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He'll get praise for at least trying. In his current position it's the right thing to do. What does he gain from finishing second to Hamilton again? I assume his goal is to actual be world champion...

To do that at some point you have to stop rolling out the red carpet like he did at turn 1 of the British Grand Prix and make things a bit difficult for the other guy. Right now a second place to Hamilton has as much worth as a retirement so he has nothing to lose.
If he braked later at the British grand prix, I feel he will have just understeered into Hamilton due to a lack of downforce. The commentators on channel 4 seemed a bit against Bottas at first but could see why he backed off when watching the replay.

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KingVoid wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:36 am
BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:34 pm
I feel like this is said pretty much every race right now, but Bottas his to win to keep his championship hopes alive. I'd like to see him get aggressive from the start, take a risk or two.
There is a bigger chance of Verstappen beating Bottas than there is of Bottas winning the WDC.

Which is hard to believe considering how dominant the W11 is, but here we are.

The chances always happen to be that Bottas looses out on all the points in a race at least one more time than Hamilton per season. If Hamilton had lost out in Britain rather than Bottas, Bottas would be leading the championship. The chances of bad luck are still equal for both I guess, but with random good and bad luck put into it, I'm not sure which case is more likely. A couple of retirements for Hamilton (which he's been lucky enough not to have any since Austria 2018) would get things back into play. I think there is in a way just as possible as Verstappen beating Bottas if Mercedes are strong for the rest of the season.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:52 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:47 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:52 pm


He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He'll get praise for at least trying. In his current position it's the right thing to do. What does he gain from finishing second to Hamilton again? I assume his goal is to actual be world champion...

To do that at some point you have to stop rolling out the red carpet like he did at turn 1 of the British Grand Prix and make things a bit difficult for the other guy. Right now a second place to Hamilton has as much worth as a retirement so he has nothing to lose.
If he braked later at the British grand prix, I feel he will have just understeered into Hamilton due to a lack of downforce. The commentators on channel 4 seemed a bit against Bottas at first but could see why he backed off when watching the replay.
That's a risk he absolutely needs to be taking. Put Hamilton in that position with a championship deficit to make up and I don't think he would be as courteous.

I'll ask again. What do you think Bottas gains from finishing 2nd to Hamilton?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:12 am
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:52 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:47 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
[/u][/b]
Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He'll get praise for at least trying. In his current position it's the right thing to do. What does he gain from finishing second to Hamilton again? I assume his goal is to actual be world champion...

To do that at some point you have to stop rolling out the red carpet like he did at turn 1 of the British Grand Prix and make things a bit difficult for the other guy. Right now a second place to Hamilton has as much worth as a retirement so he has nothing to lose.
If he braked later at the British grand prix, I feel he will have just understeered into Hamilton due to a lack of downforce. The commentators on channel 4 seemed a bit against Bottas at first but could see why he backed off when watching the replay.
That's a risk he absolutely needs to be taking. Put Hamilton in that position with a championship deficit to make up and I don't think he would be as courteous.

I'll ask again. What do you think Bottas gains from finishing 2nd to Hamilton?
Well a one way of answering is that there is in a sense a greater chance of getting a safe 2nd rather than risking 1st and it going wrong - which happened very often with Rosberg and Hamilton. You will argue that it still gains nothing, but in this particular instance, I think the move was a little too risky. There are plenty of other times where I think he has been too cautious.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:17 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:12 am
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:52 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:47 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm


Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He'll get praise for at least trying. In his current position it's the right thing to do. What does he gain from finishing second to Hamilton again? I assume his goal is to actual be world champion...

To do that at some point you have to stop rolling out the red carpet like he did at turn 1 of the British Grand Prix and make things a bit difficult for the other guy. Right now a second place to Hamilton has as much worth as a retirement so he has nothing to lose.
If he braked later at the British grand prix, I feel he will have just understeered into Hamilton due to a lack of downforce. The commentators on channel 4 seemed a bit against Bottas at first but could see why he backed off when watching the replay.
That's a risk he absolutely needs to be taking. Put Hamilton in that position with a championship deficit to make up and I don't think he would be as courteous.

I'll ask again. What do you think Bottas gains from finishing 2nd to Hamilton?
Well a one way of answering is that there is in a sense a greater chance of getting a safe 2nd rather than risking 1st and it going wrong - which happened very often with Rosberg and Hamilton. You will argue that it still gains nothing, but in this particular instance, I think the move was a little too risky. There are plenty of other times where I think he has been too cautious.
That's not an answer.

What is the value of the safe 2nd to Bottas? Assuming his objective is to win the WDC how does it move him closer to that objective?

And I'm not really talking abou Silverstone here. He was still nip and tuck for Hamilton points wise there. But if he ends up in a similar position today he needs to make a different decision.

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Why are SOME people trying to agitate against Hamilton instead of remembering the reason why Ferrari are where they are because they broke the regulations last year, and totally failed over last winter to come up with even a halfway decent package ? That is Ferrari's own fault and NO ONE ELSE'S ! Blame Ferrari.

If you are a Red Bull, Racing Point, McLaren, Renault, etc..... fan then why aren't you agitating for your team to perform better ?

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Greenman wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:01 am
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Why are SOME people trying to agitate against Hamilton instead of remembering the reason why Ferrari are where they are because they broke the regulations last year, and totally failed over last winter to come up with even a halfway decent package ? That is Ferrari's own fault and NO ONE ELSE'S ! Blame Ferrari.

If you are a Red Bull, Racing Point, McLaren, Renault, etc..... fan then why aren't you agitating for your team to perform better ?

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If people are agitating again Hamilton that doesn't mean that they aren't annoyed with the performances of other teams or drivers.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:04 am

If people are agitating again Hamilton that doesn't mean that they aren't annoyed with the performances of other teams or drivers.
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So why not express that annoyance instead of trying to blame others ?

Acting like a seven year old blaming others for their own mistakes is childish.

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Difficult decision to make Italian Grand Prix at Monza or England v Australia, (after the first one was a thriller), live on BBC. Which is going to be the most exciting, guess I'll know by 2.15pm!

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KingVoid wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:35 am
pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:29 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm
Mort Canard wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:52 pm


He needs to. Bottas cannot afford to be in any other position than 1st after the end of the first lap and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind. Wherever Hamilton brakes he needs to brake later. At least give winning a try.

Don't break till you see St Peter Valtteri!!! :thumbup: :lol:
Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He will get praise from those that don't want Hamilton to win.
Poker, to be brutally truthful: no one apart from Hamilton fans want Hamilton to win because it’s stale, boring and predictable.
I appreciate that but I was replying to a post asking what would the view be taken if Bottas hit Hamilton and I simply said that he would get praised from some quarters and I don't believe I'm wrong judging by the response since.

It seems that Horner is kind of taking a similar stance after coming forward and saying that Mercedes is favouring Hamilton in the title fight, of course Horner has no real concerns for Bottas but weaponising Bottas can have benefits for his own team in particular Verstappen.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:56 am
pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:49 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:44 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:29 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:15 pm


Will Bottas still will get some praise if breaks later, but as a consequence, just happens to hit Hamilton. Al least that was an attempt which is what people seem to want. Risks only sometimes work out well. One time when he brakes later in bahrain 2016, he hit Hamilton.
He will get praise from those that don't want Hamilton to win.
You mean from those who want an actual fight for the championship rather than a 10 race coronation?
If that's what you would be happy to see then yes.
I don't think wanting to see a battle for wins and the championship is a particularly far out there opinion to be honest.
The difference is between a fair battle and what was being proposed.
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Option or Prime wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:55 am
Difficult decision to make Italian Grand Prix at Monza or England v Australia, (after the first one was a thriller), live on BBC. Which is going to be the most exciting, guess I'll know by 2.15pm!
T20, the commercial version of cricket, the era of needing to be entertained every minute.
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What's wrong with being entertained?

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That's not good. Bottas locks up at the second chicane on the reconnaissance laps and bounces over the kerbs in the run-off area. All looks OK - he runs through the pit lane and back on to track without stopping
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pokerman wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:45 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:55 am
Difficult decision to make Italian Grand Prix at Monza or England v Australia, (after the first one was a thriller), live on BBC. Which is going to be the most exciting, guess I'll know by 2.15pm!
T20, the commercial version of cricket, the era of needing to be entertained every minute.
The ECB should probably be thankful for that pesky being entertained every minute T20 format in the basis it probably keeps some counties in business most summers.

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