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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:28 pm
Two stop would have been the fastest strategy today. Had Bottas' pitted about 8 laps ago he would have won.
Yes. But of course everyone decided to conserve everything and be super risk-averse ...

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:55 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:42 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:40 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:38 pm
Giovinazzi what can you say?
He lost control on the curbs.
That's an excuse?
It's what happened. He was pushing hard and lost control. It's hardly an inexplicable error.
I don't rate him that highly and it's not the first time we've seen him crash in a race, I don't need to see anymore of him when there's a back log of drivers trying to get into F1.
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Processional race. Some decent midfield action but easy DRS passes.

2020 isn't proving to be a vintage season. 2022 rule changes cant happen soon enough.

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Ohhh Ferrari.......Alfa Romeo best Ferrari today... Kimi in a customer car is faster that the factory team, words escape. Carlitos what have you done.

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A_Game_A_Day wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:59 pm
Unless they unpack last year's engine, Belgium proves Monza's straights are going to be the greatest embarrassment for Ferrari. Fans will never have been so grateful to not be there to witness it.
Ferrari though were not even the fastest Ferrari engined car, the car's not that great either.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:03 pm
Maybe it's just me, but that fan cam thing is excruciatingly painful.
It's not just you.
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pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:48 pm
A_Game_A_Day wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:59 pm
Unless they unpack last year's engine, Belgium proves Monza's straights are going to be the greatest embarrassment for Ferrari. Fans will never have been so grateful to not be there to witness it.
Ferrari though were not even the fastest Ferrari engined car, the car's not that great either.
Even Grosjean seemed to hold Leclerc behind him for nearly 10 laps. He got by on the final lap though.

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Ferrari are awful this year.

Cannot see anything but a world of pain at Monza

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:38 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:36 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:35 pm
Zazu wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:33 pm
Is anyone enjoying F1 2020?
Racing down the field, yes. But not always the front of the field.
The overtakes are rubbish though, the DRS makes the way to easy
Yes, but there's been close racing around the circuit, failed passing attempts etc.
Vast majority of overtakes only occur due to a gulf in tyre life. Dark days when need rain to make any race interesting

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:40 pm
I thought that race was decent.
Wether the tyres would last had me concerned.
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pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:49 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:03 pm
Maybe it's just me, but that fan cam thing is excruciatingly painful.
It's not just you.
Yep, I just look away, cover my eyes like in an horror movie, ohh I did the same when that Alfa flew by the factory car :lol:

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pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:45 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:55 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:42 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:40 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:38 pm
Giovinazzi what can you say?
He lost control on the curbs.
That's an excuse?
It's what happened. He was pushing hard and lost control. It's hardly an inexplicable error.
I don't rate him that highly and it's not the first time we've seen him crash in a race, I don't need to see anymore of him when there's a back log of drivers trying to get into F1.
I agree and I think you'll get your wish for 2021.

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pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:52 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:40 pm
I thought that race was decent.
Wether the tyres would last had me concerned.
It did me too but that’s due to the timing of the safety car as everyone on mediums pitted earlier than they wanted too. The teams can do two stops if they want, was surprised Red Bull didn’t go for it with about 12 laps to go.

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Renaults finishing 4th and 5th, incredible tyre wear, Ricciardo fastest lap on the last lap of the race and that wasn't gifted, who could have pedicted that?
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JN23 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:00 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:52 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:40 pm
I thought that race was decent.
Wether the tyres would last had me concerned.
It did me too but that’s due to the timing of the safety car as everyone on mediums pitted earlier than they wanted too. The teams can do two stops if they want, was surprised Red Bull didn’t go for it with about 12 laps to go.
Mercedes would have followed suit with both cars.
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Grand Slam denials.

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Invade wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:02 pm
Grand Slam denials.
Daniel Ricciardo. :x
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PRFAN wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:52 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:49 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:03 pm
Maybe it's just me, but that fan cam thing is excruciatingly painful.
It's not just you.
Yep, I just look away, cover my eyes like in an horror movie, ohh I did the same when that Alfa flew by the factory car :lol:

I complained about this a few races ago. And This time i literally did what you did. Tried to block our the video wall with my fingers and just focus around it. People just send in clips of them looking like they are way too excited and full of themselves to be on TV. The more stupid it looks, maybe that is the one picked? I don't know. Who watches them? The drivers focus on what they are supposed to. There are no fans there. The clips are pre recorded so they don't see them from the perspective that it looks. And seeing one random person each race just seems incredibly stupid.

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I don't understand Albon's strategy to go with Mediums instead of Hards, that definitely harmed his race.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:52 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:45 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:55 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:42 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:40 pm


He lost control on the curbs.
That's an excuse?
It's what happened. He was pushing hard and lost control. It's hardly an inexplicable error.
I don't rate him that highly and it's not the first time we've seen him crash in a race, I don't need to see anymore of him when there's a back log of drivers trying to get into F1.
I agree and I think you'll get your wish for 2021.
I personally think Giovinazzi is the worst on the grid. Would say the next ones up that do IMO deserve to be on the grid but are not that good are Grosjean, Magnussen and Kvyat. I think Kimi still proves he has the pace a lot of the time too. And I think Stroll really has improved this year. I think Giovinazzi is either underwhelming or poor every race. The others I mentioned at least do sometimes have good races, even if not often.

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pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:02 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:00 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:52 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:40 pm
I thought that race was decent.
Wether the tyres would last had me concerned.
It did me too but that’s due to the timing of the safety car as everyone on mediums pitted earlier than they wanted too. The teams can do two stops if they want, was surprised Red Bull didn’t go for it with about 12 laps to go.
Mercedes would have followed suit with both cars.
I know but wouldn’t it have been worth trying to unsettle Merc?

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pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:05 pm
Invade wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:02 pm
Grand Slam denials.
Daniel Ricciardo. :x
Bottas did it last race too :lol:

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JN23 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:13 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:02 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:00 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:52 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:40 pm
I thought that race was decent.
Wether the tyres would last had me concerned.
It did me too but that’s due to the timing of the safety car as everyone on mediums pitted earlier than they wanted too. The teams can do two stops if they want, was surprised Red Bull didn’t go for it with about 12 laps to go.
Mercedes would have followed suit with both cars.
I know but wouldn’t it have been worth trying to unsettle Merc?
I think it would have taken the pressure off, the best hope was for Mercedes to run out of tyres.
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:10 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:52 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:45 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:55 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:42 pm

That's an excuse?
It's what happened. He was pushing hard and lost control. It's hardly an inexplicable error.
I don't rate him that highly and it's not the first time we've seen him crash in a race, I don't need to see anymore of him when there's a back log of drivers trying to get into F1.
I agree and I think you'll get your wish for 2021.
I personally think Giovinazzi is the worst on the grid. Would say the next ones up that do IMO deserve to be on the grid but are not that good are Grosjean, Magnussen and Kvyat. I think Kimi still proves he has the pace a lot of the time too. And I think Stroll really has improved this year. I think Giovinazzi is either underwhelming or poor every race. The others I mentioned at least do sometimes have good races, even if not often.
Giovinazzi, Kvyat and Latifi are probably bottom 3 at the moment.

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Hamilton on the (what I think he called boring?) one-stoppers: "This is not racing."

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JN23 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:14 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:05 pm
Invade wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:02 pm
Grand Slam denials.
Daniel Ricciardo. :x
Bottas did it last race too :lol:
I know but with no late stops I thought this one was in the bag. :)
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Hamilton throwing Albon under a bus in post race interview :lol:

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:16 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:10 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:52 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:45 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:55 pm


It's what happened. He was pushing hard and lost control. It's hardly an inexplicable error.
I don't rate him that highly and it's not the first time we've seen him crash in a race, I don't need to see anymore of him when there's a back log of drivers trying to get into F1.
I agree and I think you'll get your wish for 2021.
I personally think Giovinazzi is the worst on the grid. Would say the next ones up that do IMO deserve to be on the grid but are not that good are Grosjean, Magnussen and Kvyat. I think Kimi still proves he has the pace a lot of the time too. And I think Stroll really has improved this year. I think Giovinazzi is either underwhelming or poor every race. The others I mentioned at least do sometimes have good races, even if not often.
Giovinazzi, Kvyat and Latifi are probably bottom 3 at the moment.
Sorry, I didn't include Latifi just because we need more time to judge him. I don't think Kvyat is quite as bad as your are suggesting as he has looked pretty good in several races this year. I certainly wouldn't say he's as bad or even close to Giovinazzi. He's far better than he was a year ago anyway.

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Zazu wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:22 pm
Hamilton throwing Albon under a bus in post race interview :lol:
Well can he consider Albon being as good as Bottas?
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:24 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:16 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:10 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:52 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:45 pm

I don't rate him that highly and it's not the first time we've seen him crash in a race, I don't need to see anymore of him when there's a back log of drivers trying to get into F1.
I agree and I think you'll get your wish for 2021.
I personally think Giovinazzi is the worst on the grid. Would say the next ones up that do IMO deserve to be on the grid but are not that good are Grosjean, Magnussen and Kvyat. I think Kimi still proves he has the pace a lot of the time too. And I think Stroll really has improved this year. I think Giovinazzi is either underwhelming or poor every race. The others I mentioned at least do sometimes have good races, even if not often.
Giovinazzi, Kvyat and Latifi are probably bottom 3 at the moment.
Sorry, I didn't include Latifi just because we need more time to judge him. I don't think Kvyat is quite as bad as your are suggesting as he has looked pretty good in several races this year. I certainly wouldn't say he's as bad or even close to Giovinazzi. He's far better than he was a year ago anyway.
You put him in the bottom 4 lol.

I think he's being thrashed again. And it's only by Gasly as well.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:24 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:16 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:10 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:52 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:45 pm

I don't rate him that highly and it's not the first time we've seen him crash in a race, I don't need to see anymore of him when there's a back log of drivers trying to get into F1.
I agree and I think you'll get your wish for 2021.
I personally think Giovinazzi is the worst on the grid. Would say the next ones up that do IMO deserve to be on the grid but are not that good are Grosjean, Magnussen and Kvyat. I think Kimi still proves he has the pace a lot of the time too. And I think Stroll really has improved this year. I think Giovinazzi is either underwhelming or poor every race. The others I mentioned at least do sometimes have good races, even if not often.
Giovinazzi, Kvyat and Latifi are probably bottom 3 at the moment.
Sorry, I didn't include Latifi just because we need more time to judge him. I don't think Kvyat is quite as bad as your are suggesting as he has looked pretty good in several races this year. I certainly wouldn't say he's as bad or even close to Giovinazzi. He's far better than he was a year ago anyway.
If Tsunoda finishes top 5 in F2 this year then Kvyat will be gone.
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Question on Alpha Tauri: I know a lot of us don’t rate Kvyat and I think a fair number of us don’t rate Gasly that highly either. Is that Alpha Tauri a really good car and say, not far off the midfield battle of RP, Ferrari, Renault and McLaren?

(I know it was definitely better than Ferrari this weekend but talking across the season)

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Gasly was good and without the pitstop I think he would have even better result. The good thing was unlike Spain where Mercedes lapped everyone except 3 cars this race no one was lapped and Ferrari was the worst midfield car. I think RP performance was also very disappointing. They used to be really good at low downforce track but its seem Renault car works really good in these tracks now and their tyres were also in great condition till the end. So probably good result in Monza as well. The midfield championship along with Mclaren, Ferrari and RP is the most exciting battle this year :-|
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Interesting comments from some readers on race fans. I didn't notice this, but it could explain why Bottas didn't have the speed at the end of the long straight on the first lap. There is discussion that Hamilton lifted to force Bottas to lose the extra momentum he had. Also, in the interview, apparently Hamilton said that Bottas was too close through eau rouge and had to lift. So I think this was more smart thinking by Hamilton rather than a poor attempt by Bottas. Bottas has done some very bold overtakes when recovering previously on this track, so I think he would have got it done had he got the chance. But he just didn't have the speed compared to hamilton after that.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:04 pm
Interesting comments from some readers on race fans. I didn't notice this, but it could explain why Bottas didn't have the speed at the end of the long straight on the first lap. There is discussion that Hamilton lifted to force Bottas to lose the extra momentum he had. Also, in the interview, apparently Hamilton said that Bottas was too close through eau rouge and had to lift. So I think this was more smart thinking by Hamilton rather than a poor attempt by Bottas. Bottas has done some very bold overtakes when recovering previously on this track, so I think he would have got it done had he got the chance. But he just didn't have the speed compared to hamilton after that.
Hamilton said he made a mess of the exit of turn 1 and Bottas had to lift through Eau Rouge as he got too close. Bottas is extremely cautious with Hamilton anyway. Look at turn 1 at the British Grand Prix.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
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Bottas did nothing at the start, right behind Hamilton but made no impression.
Bottas got to close to Hamilton down the hill and had to back out entering Eu Rouge

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Sam Collins suspects Mercedes were protecting a genuine PU problem for Hamilton today.



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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:04 pm
Interesting comments from some readers on race fans. I didn't notice this, but it could explain why Bottas didn't have the speed at the end of the long straight on the first lap. There is discussion that Hamilton lifted to force Bottas to lose the extra momentum he had. Also, in the interview, apparently Hamilton said that Bottas was too close through eau rouge and had to lift. So I think this was more smart thinking by Hamilton rather than a poor attempt by Bottas. Bottas has done some very bold overtakes when recovering previously on this track, so I think he would have got it done had he got the chance. But he just didn't have the speed compared to hamilton after that.
Theres nothing to say previously Bottas would have good the overtake done.
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I fully admit I am overly harsh on Bottas but only because he's so frustrating! He's so good but just not quite good enough to really compete with Hamilton regularly and he rolls out the red carpet too easily. He doesn't seem to be willing to do anything to get up in Hamilton's grill.

F1 would be so much more exciting this season and last if Bottas was just a tiny bit quicker and bit more contancarous out on track with Hamilton.

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I'm harsh on Bottas but in his defence on race day I dont see much difference between Rosberg and Bottas speed wise. When Hamiltons leading both drivers rarely threaten/threatened Hamilton but when there leading and Hamiltons behind then you get a race and Hamilton asking for different strategies etc. Nothing to be ashamed of having one the best ever quicker than you. Bottas is also fighting a better Hamilton and the best his been IMO. The main difference between Rosberg and Bottas is that Rosberg would do anything to win even if that was to have a crash, park your car or anything else. Bottas doesnt quite have that edge and I doubt he will find it now. Every season we have to listen to how we have a different Bottas turning up for the season and then it falls flat one race later.
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2018: 12th place

Wins: Spain 2016, Canada 2017, Malaysia 2017
Podiums: 2nd Germany 2016, 3rd Mexico 2016, 3rd China 2018, 3rd Japan 2018, 2nd Mexico 2018

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