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Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:36 pm
by Invade
Clarky wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:29 pm
Invade wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:22 pm
Interestingly, I think Bottas' fastest lap (by about a tenth?) denied Hamilton a rare Grand Slam.
I am sure Bottas did a
1:18.1 and Hamilton a
1:20.2.
Oops - I think I was confusing the earlier attempts at fastest laps forgetting that Bottas pitted again. Also if that was Hamilton's time then Bottas was ahead by much more than 1 tenth when he got the fastest lap earlier on over Hamilton.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:36 pm
by PRFAN
Invade wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:22 pm
Interestingly, I think Bottas' fastest lap (by about a tenth?) denied Hamilton a rare Grand Slam.
They were after Ricciardo record lap. I would have enjoyed for them to try to get Max, but guess those types of records are more important.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:37 pm
by pokerman
Invade wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:22 pm
Interestingly, I think Bottas' fastest lap (by about a tenth?) denied Hamilton a rare Grand Slam.
Bottas went faster after his late pit stop for fastest lap.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:40 pm
by pokerman
Schermerhorn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:34 pm
pokerman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:44 pm
Grosjean needs to retire.
Agreed. He has had his day. I remember him being the first lap lunatic in 2012 like yesterday. In 2013 he turned it around but failed to maintain the mojo ever since.
I think Perez will take his spot at Haas which makes alot of sense and opens up good commercial opportunities for Haas in the Mexican market as well as the wider Spanish speaking Latin American market.
No it looks like Perez is staying with the team for next year now after his sponsor Carlos Slim pledged more sponsorship, although a little cruel to say it both Aston Martin drivers will be pay drivers.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:42 pm
by pokerman
PRFAN wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:36 pm
Invade wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:22 pm
Interestingly, I think Bottas' fastest lap (by about a tenth?) denied Hamilton a rare Grand Slam.
They were after Ricciardo record lap. I would have enjoyed for them to try to get Max, but guess those types of records are more important.
Bottas wasn't going to catch Verstappen.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:43 pm
by Schermerhorn
pokerman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:40 pm
Schermerhorn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:34 pm
pokerman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:44 pm
Grosjean needs to retire.
Agreed. He has had his day. I remember him being the first lap lunatic in 2012 like yesterday. In 2013 he turned it around but failed to maintain the mojo ever since.
I think Perez will take his spot at Haas which makes alot of sense and opens up good commercial opportunities for Haas in the Mexican market as well as the wider Spanish speaking Latin American market.
No it looks like Perez is staying with the team for next year now after his sponsor Carlos Slim pledged more sponsorship, although a little cruel to say it both Aston Martin drivers will be pay drivers.
Oh well.
I guess there is a bigger demand for Aston Martins in Mexico than I initially thought. That DBX model they have will look great in the mountains of Sinaloa.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:43 pm
by Lojik
pokerman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:35 pm
Grosjean is determined to cause a crash with those late defensive movements.
I'd really like to see him out of F1 now, Just non stop stupid/dangerous moves from him, a total liability. Not F1 standard.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:48 pm
by Clarky
Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:35 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:31 pm
Penalties for ignoring blue flags are absurd.
Stewards were probably bored
With the rules it was a slam dunk as the first blue flag came at T10.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:49 pm
by Invade
Clarky wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:48 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:35 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:31 pm
Penalties for ignoring blue flags are absurd.
Stewards were probably bored
With the rules it was a slam dunk as the first blue flag came at T10.
Lol - gotta love how emphatic Rosberg was with this same view. You can see how his bullish and headstrong personality and intangibles gave him the platform to carve out huge success at Mercedes against Hamilton.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:57 pm
by pokerman
Lojik wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:43 pm
pokerman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:35 pm
Grosjean is determined to cause a crash with those late defensive movements.
I'd really like to see him out of F1 now, Just non stop stupid/dangerous moves from him, a total liability. Not F1 standard.
Yeah and it looks lke I was right when he managed to collide with Giovinazzi whilst defending his position causing damage to his car and throwing debris onto the track, apparently Grosjean was under investigation but magically that disappeared again.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:57 pm
by TheGiantHogweed
Clarky wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:48 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:35 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:31 pm
Penalties for ignoring blue flags are absurd.
Stewards were probably bored
With the rules it was a slam dunk as the first blue flag came at T10.
I'm often against the blue flags, but on this occasion, I can easily see how Perez could have done better and avoided the penalty. He didn't let Hamilton by until the end of the main straight! That is a long long time to ignore blue flags. He apparently said "the final sector is very tight". Ok, a lot of it is, but he easily could have pulled to the inside between the last two corners and then potentially have had slipstream from Hamilton for a bit. That will barely have lost him any time. From seeing other driver's on boards, they have had to ruin their race while in the middle of a battle with other drivers right with them at the time, and they just went along with it. The penalty here IMO is pretty obvious in my view.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:58 pm
by pokerman
Clarky wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:48 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:35 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:31 pm
Penalties for ignoring blue flags are absurd.
Stewards were probably bored
With the rules it was a slam dunk as the first blue flag came at T10.
Yeah apparently Hamilton had to follow Perez through 5/6 corners, Perez made the decision not to compromise his own race.
I guess that's Perez though, Stroll was surprised to be passed by Perez because both drivers were told to tyre manage, basically hold station.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:05 pm
by TheGiantHogweed
pokerman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:57 pm
Lojik wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:43 pm
pokerman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:35 pm
Grosjean is determined to cause a crash with those late defensive movements.
I'd really like to see him out of F1 now, Just non stop stupid/dangerous moves from him, a total liability. Not F1 standard.
Yeah and it looks lke I was right when he managed to collide with Giovinazzi whilst defending his position causing damage to his car and throwing debris onto the track,
apparently Grosjean was under investigation but magically that disappeared again.
They investigated that first thinking Giovinazzi was the one with more blame. They in the end rulled he didn’t illegitimately force Grosjean off the track and took no further action. Grosjean wasn't the one who was under investigation specifically. Neither were at fault in the end, but initially, it seemed that Giovinazzi was main cause of this. Again, some just seem to assume it is always Grosjean because they are determined to get rid of him. Given he had damage and lost a fair bit of the car, his spin was probably related to this too.
I can't say he had a good race at all, but your reasoning behind him escaping a possible penalty seems to just indicate that you want him to have one rather than watching what happened.
I would question his move on Kimi, but then Leclerc, Ricciardo and Sainz today all looked to do some moves that were pretty similar to Grosjean when he got his warning the other week. They all needed pretty sudden avoiding action to avoid it turning into a mess.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:15 pm
by UnlikeUday
Pit stops done:
Source - Imgur
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:21 pm
by JN23
Invade wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:36 pm
Clarky wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:29 pm
Invade wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:22 pm
Interestingly, I think Bottas' fastest lap (by about a tenth?) denied Hamilton a rare Grand Slam.
I am sure Bottas did a
1:18.1 and Hamilton a
1:20.2.
Oops - I think I was confusing the earlier attempts at fastest laps forgetting that Bottas pitted again. Also if that was Hamilton's time then Bottas was ahead by much more than 1 tenth when he got the fastest lap earlier on over Hamilton.
Hamilton's best was 1.19.8.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:24 pm
by Option or Prime
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:00 pm
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:46 pm
Verstappen throwing a tantrum again, quite funny really, does need to grow up though!
You ignore that he's doing what basically won him the last Grand Prix.
Not too sure about that, I think the switch to softer tyres did that. RB can't complain about Albon if the put him on a failing strategy. Give him the same chance as MV and let him grow into the rôle. They just seem to be running a one man team now.
I wonder if we will see the same tyre strategy at the two Italian races?
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:25 pm
by Invade
The current Sainz-Norris feature on Sky right now is absolutely hilarious!
They are performing challenges while asking each other questions and holding a bowl of milk inside the car.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:19 pm
by mikeyg123
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:24 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:00 pm
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:46 pm
Verstappen throwing a tantrum again, quite funny really, does need to grow up though!
You ignore that he's doing what basically won him the last Grand Prix.
Not too sure about that, I think the switch to softer tyres did that. RB can't complain about Albon if the put him on a failing strategy. Give him the same chance as MV and let him grow into the rôle. They just seem to be running a one man team now.
I wonder if we will see the same tyre strategy at the two Italian races?
Red Bull don't complain about Albon. They heap constant praise onto him.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:23 pm
by mikeyg123
TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:57 pm
Clarky wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:48 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:35 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:31 pm
Penalties for ignoring blue flags are absurd.
Stewards were probably bored
With the rules it was a slam dunk as the first blue flag came at T10.
I'm often against the blue flags, but on this occasion, I can easily see how Perez could have done better and avoided the penalty. He didn't let Hamilton by until the end of the main straight! That is a long long time to ignore blue flags. He apparently said "the final sector is very tight". Ok, a lot of it is, but he easily could have pulled to the inside between the last two corners and then potentially have had slipstream from Hamilton for a bit. That will barely have lost him any time. From seeing other driver's on boards, they have had to ruin their race while in the middle of a battle with other drivers right with them at the time, and they just went along with it. The penalty here IMO is pretty obvious in my view.
As the rules are written it's a slam dunk penalty. It's just my opinion the blue flags come out stupidly early.
Also, does anyone find it odd that holding up the leader for a few corners and then giving him a nice slipstream and DRS down the straight gains you the same penalty as crashing into someone and causing them to retire? Because I kind of feel like even if you love blue flags you must see how the severity of the crimes are different here...
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:46 pm
by Option or Prime
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:19 pm
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:24 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:00 pm
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:46 pm
Verstappen throwing a tantrum again, quite funny really, does need to grow up though!
You ignore that he's doing what basically won him the last Grand Prix.
Not too sure about that, I think the switch to softer tyres did that. RB can't complain about Albon if the put him on a failing strategy. Give him the same chance as MV and let him grow into the rôle. They just seem to be running a one man team now.
I wonder if we will see the same tyre strategy at the two Italian races?
Red Bull don't complain about Albon. They heap constant praise onto him.
OK, but they won't develop him by putting him on hards that don't work and waiting for a few points from 9th or 10th. He can overtake, we've seen that but not on the wrong tyres. Do you trust RB to be telling the truth, Gasly had a few good races before he was dumped. You either develop you drivers or put a quick experienced one in the number 2 seat like Hulk or Perez.
I heard MV described as a 'breaker of team mates' that won't develop a team.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:30 pm
by mikeyg123
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:46 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:19 pm
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:24 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:00 pm
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:46 pm
Verstappen throwing a tantrum again, quite funny really, does need to grow up though!
You ignore that he's doing what basically won him the last Grand Prix.
Not too sure about that, I think the switch to softer tyres did that. RB can't complain about Albon if the put him on a failing strategy. Give him the same chance as MV and let him grow into the rôle. They just seem to be running a one man team now.
I wonder if we will see the same tyre strategy at the two Italian races?
Red Bull don't complain about Albon. They heap constant praise onto him.
OK, but they won't develop him by putting him on hards that don't work and waiting for a few points from 9th or 10th. He can overtake, we've seen that but not on the wrong tyres. Do you trust RB to be telling the truth, Gasly had a few good races before he was dumped. You either develop you drivers or put a quick experienced one in the number 2 seat like Hulk or Perez.
I heard MV described as a 'breaker of team mates' that won't develop a team.
I think there is a belief within the team that any tier 2 or below driver would have that car fighting at the top end of the midfield bunch rather than hanging out with Mercedes. Personally if I was Red Bull I'd go to to Perez if available or Hulk if not but they aren't going to do that.
Right now the sad fact is that whilst Albon isn't up with Verstappen and able to interfere with Mercedes the most use he can be to them is as a test dummy for Verstappen. They're basically guaranteed 2nd in the WCC with just Verstappen's points alone. Albon finishing 6th rather than 8th does nothing for them.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:00 pm
by Exediron
TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:09 pm
vettel, stop wearing Ferrari's masks. They are rubbish!. Every single time you say more than 10 or so words you have to push it back up. The random ones that other drivers and teams use now seem a lot more practical.
Norris has a clever solution for that with the McLaren mask that I've seen him do a few times in their videos: wear an N95 under it in place of the filter, and just put the cloth covering over for the look.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:11 pm
by pokerman
TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:05 pm
pokerman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:57 pm
Lojik wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:43 pm
pokerman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:35 pm
Grosjean is determined to cause a crash with those late defensive movements.
I'd really like to see him out of F1 now, Just non stop stupid/dangerous moves from him, a total liability. Not F1 standard.
Yeah and it looks lke I was right when he managed to collide with Giovinazzi whilst defending his position causing damage to his car and throwing debris onto the track,
apparently Grosjean was under investigation but magically that disappeared again.
They investigated that first thinking Giovinazzi was the one with more blame. They in the end rulled he didn’t illegitimately force Grosjean off the track and took no further action. Grosjean wasn't the one who was under investigation specifically. Neither were at fault in the end, but initially, it seemed that Giovinazzi was main cause of this. Again, some just seem to assume it is always Grosjean because they are determined to get rid of him. Given he had damage and lost a fair bit of the car, his spin was probably related to this too.
I can't say he had a good race at all, but your reasoning behind him escaping a possible penalty seems to just indicate that you want him to have one rather than watching what happened.
I would question his move on Kimi, but then Leclerc, Ricciardo and Sainz today all looked to do some moves that were pretty similar to Grosjean when he got his warning the other week. They all needed pretty sudden avoiding action to avoid it turning into a mess.
Fair enough but the fact that Giovinazzi wasn't penalised would suggest a modicum of blame on Grosjean like perhaps over agressive defending, which then goes back to what I said about he will cause a collision with the way he is defending, this is a sudden thing he's started to do like his last card to make himself somewhat relevant, or maybe best to look like a hard man rather than at times a clumsy oath, even though he tried to revert back to that when he nearly spun.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:44 am
by TheGiantHogweed
https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/16/lec ... ne-glitch/
Now this is something that will be quite ridiculous if Ferrari or Leclerc don't get quite a severe penalty for. Although this was a while ago, back when Grosjean commented to whiting about some drivers (hamilton) sometimes taking their seat belt off after the finish coming back to the pits to celebrate. Even whiting then said it must be worn. So during a race, what sense would it make if Leclerc gets away with this? I guess the reason may be that it was found out too late, but still, it is simply unacceptable. It is basically no worse than continuing to drive round without your helmet on - just that would visually be more concerning.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:52 am
by Option or Prime
Agree with this, it was also severely condemned on radio commentary, all he had to do was drive 50 yards away from the track to prevent a safety car. Laziness.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:04 am
by Badger36
TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:44 am
https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/16/lec ... ne-glitch/
Now this is something that will be quite ridiculous if Ferrari or Leclerc don't get quite a severe penalty for. Although this was a while ago, back when Grosjean commented to whiting about some drivers (hamilton) sometimes taking their seat belt off after the finish coming back to the pits to celebrate. Even whiting then said it must be worn. So during a race, what sense would it make if Leclerc gets away with this? I guess the reason may be that it was found out too late, but still, it is simply unacceptable. It is basically no worse than continuing to drive round without your helmet on - just that would visually be more concerning.
I agree.
I was once disqualified from a club level event because I never had my crash helmet checked by a scrutineer, which was a perfectly valid (and new) helmet, that had been checked the previous round (the day before) and a miscommunication to a rookie that it was required to be scrutineered both days.
Certainly at club level motorsport, if you took to a live track without safety equipment on, you would be bent over and reemed by the clerk of the course - disqualified and licence revoked for a period - and tbh, in admitting you knowingly were on a live track without seatbelts - at the very highest level of motorsport....... I do think that is easily race ban worthy.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:07 am
by Greenman
IF the transcript is to be believed then Leclerc is at fault as he didn't tell his pits that he had undone the seat belts until he had started the new lap.
Ferrari should not blamed initially (unless the engine problem was such that they should have ordered Leclerc into the pits immediately). However, Ferrari should not have allowed Leclerc to continue once he had told them about the seat belts - there should have been an immediate instruction to stop safely on track !
Leclerc should have the entire book thrown at him - a ban for one to three races seems appropriate.
Lunacy.
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Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:18 am
by mikeyg123
Seems to me to be a bit of an over reaction to this. Leclerc endangers nobody but himself and it's clear he returns to the pits when he remembers they are undone. If he stops out on track he causes a safety car which contracts the field, I'm sure causing far more danger than him touring round on his own without his seat belts done up.
I don't see what punishing him beyond a reprimand achieves.
Ferrari are clearly blameless.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:20 am
by mikeyg123
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:52 am
Agree with this, it was also severely condemned on radio commentary, all he had to do was drive 50 yards away from the track to prevent a safety car. Laziness.
Guaranteed safety car if anyone has to go and retrieve the car. Have we seen a car stopped out on track without a safety car this season?
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:27 am
by Siao7
This warrants a big penalty to the team and the driver.
I am a bit confused though, not sure what he means with the "So then I had no seat belts so I had to stop". What is the "attach" that flew?
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:31 am
by TheGiantHogweed
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:20 am
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:52 am
Agree with this, it was also severely condemned on radio commentary, all he had to do was drive 50 yards away from the track to prevent a safety car. Laziness.
Guaranteed safety car if anyone has to go and retrieve the car. Have we seen a car stopped out on track without a safety car this season?
I think they mean off the track, there was a place Leclerc could have driven through the barrier. Kvyat did that in the first race and it avoided any safety car or VSC despite him having a dramatic puncture.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:36 am
by Siao7
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:18 am
Seems to me to be a bit of an over reaction to this. Leclerc
endangers nobody but himself and it's clear he returns to the pits when he remembers they are undone. If he stops out on track he causes a safety car which contracts the field, I'm sure causing far more danger than him touring round on his own without his seat belts done up.
I don't see what punishing him beyond a reprimand achieves.
Ferrari are clearly blameless.
This is not the correct mindset regarding safety to be honest. The rules apply to everyone and they are not in a "up to you" basis. They are there to make sure he goes home that night and not in the hospital, or even worse.
He does 2 laps without seatbelts, which is terrible. Maybe in the panic he forgot it, so let's see what he says, but I also think that Ferrari should have told him to park it straight away when he remembered that his seatbelts are gone in the second lap. There should be 0 tolerance for safety.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:38 am
by Badger36
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:18 am
Seems to me to be a bit of an over reaction to this. Leclerc endangers nobody but himself and it's clear he returns to the pits when he remembers they are undone. If he stops out on track he causes a safety car which contracts the field, I'm sure causing far more danger than him touring round on his own without his seat belts done up.
I don't see what punishing him beyond a reprimand achieves.
Ferrari are clearly blameless.
He is already in a car that spun suddenly and without warning.
Just imagine the fallout and enquiry if something did actually happen. The cars engine cut out again at turn 9 say, and lead to a 120mph trip into the barriers. The sport is dangerous enough, and tbh..... I am astounded a guy who is quite switched on even admitted this over the radio.
I know at club level the track is concerned about their permits, insurances and liabilities - and those very reasons are why breaches are taken so seriously.
I've no doubt if this happened to an F2 or F3 driver, they'd get absolutely hammered.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:58 am
by Greenman
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:18 am
Seems to me to be a bit of an over reaction to this. Leclerc endangers nobody but himself and it's clear he returns to the pits when he remembers they are undone. If he stops out on track he causes a safety car which contracts the field, I'm sure causing far more danger than him touring round on his own without his seat belts done up.
I don't see what punishing him beyond a reprimand achieves.
Ferrari are clearly blameless.
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Lunacy !
Leclerc broke the most basic safety principles - there is hardly a sanction strong enough for the FIA to impose. He obvious knew he was doing wrong as he only told Ferrari once he started a new lap ! (More lunacy.)
It is perfectly possible to stop on track in a safe position - the norm is to stop just by a protected exit.
Ferrari should be punished for not instructing him to stop IMMEDIATELY once he told them he had undone the safety belts.
It is now up to the FIA to punish both parties and especially make an example of Leclerc.
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Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:03 am
by Option or Prime
TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:31 am
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:20 am
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:52 am
Agree with this, it was also severely condemned on radio commentary, all he had to do was drive 50 yards away from the track to prevent a safety car. Laziness.
Guaranteed safety car if anyone has to go and retrieve the car. Have we seen a car stopped out on track without a safety car this season?
I think they mean off the track, there was a place Leclerc could have driven through the barrier. Kvyat did that in the first race and it avoided any safety car or VSC despite him having a dramatic puncture.
Yep, exactly my meaning, thee was a wall behind which other vehicles were parked. Perfectly safe.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:04 am
by Option or Prime
Badgeronimous wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:38 am
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:18 am
Seems to me to be a bit of an over reaction to this. Leclerc endangers nobody but himself and it's clear he returns to the pits when he remembers they are undone. If he stops out on track he causes a safety car which contracts the field, I'm sure causing far more danger than him touring round on his own without his seat belts done up.
I don't see what punishing him beyond a reprimand achieves.
Ferrari are clearly blameless.
He is already in a car that spun suddenly and without warning.
Just imagine the fallout and enquiry if something did actually happen. The cars engine cut out again at turn 9 say, and lead to a 120mph trip into the barriers. The sport is dangerous enough, and tbh..... I am astounded a guy who is quite switched on even admitted this over the radio.
I know at club level the track is concerned about their permits, insurances and liabilities - and those very reasons are why breaches are taken so seriously.
I've no doubt if this happened to an F2 or F3 driver, they'd get absolutely hammered.
+1
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:38 am
by mikeyg123
Say what you want guys but I bet the FIA agree with me and does nothing.
Not that the FIA's opinion and my own being in line is a big commendation of my judgement or sanity now I come to think of it.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:40 am
by mikeyg123
At the end of the day Leclerc gained no competitive advantage so I see any penalty that affects his sporting result misplaced and illogical.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:44 am
by Covalent
I think talking about race bans is a serious overreaction but a simple shrug is probably too lenient. They should at least be fined or given a grid drop to send a message that this isn't ok. Especially as Leclerc didn't pit at the first possible opportunity.
Re: 2020 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:45 am
by pokerman
Option or Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:52 am
Agree with this, it was also severely condemned on radio commentary, all he had to do was drive 50 yards away from the track to prevent a safety car. Laziness.
There wasn't a safety car.
