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Option or Prime wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:06 pm

So if everyone has to run the same engine settings all weekend then RB drivers asking to turn the power up will go as well then! Didn't like the pit tinkering with power levels during the race anyway.
Will it make a big difference?

I guess there's a few ways of looking at this

- Merc (and RP/Williams) lose out most in qualifying as the Merc qualifying mode is seen as the best
- Instead of being on pole by one second, Merc will be on pole by less but still by a long way
- Teams will have to find a balance between qualy performance but race reliability - probably not easy mid-season
- Teams who have more reliable engines will probably be advantaged

JN23 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:07 pm

Jezza13 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:01 pm

JN23 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:12 am

There were reports yesterday that qualifying engine modes could be banned from next season and further reports today that they could be banned as soon as Spa.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/special- ... ter-spain/

How odd. Although I don't disagree with it, why now? After having these modes for so many years, with a regs change just around the corner, why now?

Is it that Merc are this year so dominant in quali that the powers that be are concerned about the quality of the show in an already battered season? Or, tin foil hat time, could it maybe have something to do with the Tracing Point imbroglio?

Are you suggesting that this is a kind of punishment for Merc's alleged role in the Racing Point saga? Interesting...

On your first point, why weren't they concerned about the quality of the show between 2014 and 2016?

They were concerned, they looked at several things around oil burn in 2015/2016 with Merc and Ferrari but couldn't tell how it was being done so guessed a couple of things, like banning active valves but it didn't work so they just kept reducing the amount of oil you could use.

Maybe someone spilled the beans on oil burn as a way to get out of some other trouble and they now know they can't monitor it to catch anyone in the act so forcing one mode for the q and race forces it to be stopped because they can't be in a constant mode for introducing the oil/oil mixture all race without at best running foul of the oil limit or at worst blowing the engine.

Tbh they shouldn't have allowed Q modes back in the first place for the V6 and I've no idea why it took them this long to rectify it.

Siao7 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:24 pm

Clarky wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:22 pm

The change is laughable.

You do a better job and get punished for it, AGAIN!!!

Its up to the others to do a better job. Changing the rules to try to close the field like this is wrong.

My only interpretation is that 2020 is so f*cked already that they are having a bet on how they can make it worse. I'm just waiting for Bernie's sprinklers to be implemented soon

I agree.

From the outside it looks like their trying to influence the outcome and it doesn't look particularly good imo.

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I'm not sure whether this is the return of Ferrari International Assistance, or just "we are worried about viewing figures and sponsorships".

It is depressing to see artificially introduced mid-season and at very, very short notice - it smells of bias and desperation.

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Greenman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:07 am

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I'm not sure whether this is the return of Ferrari International Assistance, or just "we are worried about viewing figures and sponsorships".

It is depressing to see artificially introduced mid-season and at very, very short notice - it smells of bias and desperation.

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Well who would be assisting the FIA in policingthe engines this year and don't have a qualifying mode because they needed to change their engine for this year.

Also I thought the car designs for next year were to be frozen because of the financial implications caused by covid but now that's changed and there is going to be a downforce restriction, which car has the best downforce?

Noticed Hamilton had a blister on his softs, not sure if anyone else did. Probably unlikely to see the softs in the race anyway.

Surprised to see teams use the hards in this session as that means they only have one set for the race which with the temperatures might be a bit risky.

JN23 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:28 am

Noticed Hamilton had a blister on his softs, not sure if anyone else did. Probably unlikely to see the softs in the race anyway.

Surprised to see teams use the hards in this session as that means they only have one set for the race which with the temperatures might be a bit risky.

I think the teams may be planning on using the softs and doing a lot of conservation.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:36 am

JN23 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:28 am

Noticed Hamilton had a blister on his softs, not sure if anyone else did. Probably unlikely to see the softs in the race anyway.

Surprised to see teams use the hards in this session as that means they only have one set for the race which with the temperatures might be a bit risky.

I think the teams may be planning on using the softs and doing a lot of conservation.

A one stop medium-soft is surely going to be pretty hard to do in decent time? Would be better to go medium-hard-medium I'd have thought?

JN23 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:53 am

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:36 am

JN23 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:28 am

Noticed Hamilton had a blister on his softs, not sure if anyone else did. Probably unlikely to see the softs in the race anyway.

Surprised to see teams use the hards in this session as that means they only have one set for the race which with the temperatures might be a bit risky.

I think the teams may be planning on using the softs and doing a lot of conservation.

A one stop medium-soft is surely going to be pretty hard to do in decent time? Would be better to go medium-hard-medium I'd have thought?

I think the problem with these tyres is that no matter the compound if you push on them they go off very quickly but can be nursed a few seconds off the limit basically forever. That's why even in the last race the fastest strategy was probably the Leclerc one stop despite deg being massive. Going for an extra stop buys you about 5-10 more push laps so not really enough of an advantage to offset the lack of track position.

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:21 am

Greenman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:07 am

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I'm not sure whether this is the return of Ferrari International Assistance, or just "we are worried about viewing figures and sponsorships".

It is depressing to see artificially introduced mid-season and at very, very short notice - it smells of bias and desperation.

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Well who would be assisting the FIA in policingthe engines this year and don't have a qualifying mode because they needed to change their engine for this year.

Also I thought the car designs for next year were to be frozen because of the financial implications caused by covid but now that's changed and there is going to be a downforce restriction, which car has the best downforce?

Downforce restrictions? I haven’t heard that before. Can you elaborate?

As far as the rules next year they will still be allowed to develop the car but it has to be the 2020 chassis. That’s how I understood it.

kleefton wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:56 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:21 am

Greenman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:07 am

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I'm not sure whether this is the return of Ferrari International Assistance, or just "we are worried about viewing figures and sponsorships".

It is depressing to see artificially introduced mid-season and at very, very short notice - it smells of bias and desperation.

.

Well who would be assisting the FIA in policingthe engines this year and don't have a qualifying mode because they needed to change their engine for this year.

Also I thought the car designs for next year were to be frozen because of the financial implications caused by covid but now that's changed and there is going to be a downforce restriction, which car has the best downforce?

Downforce restrictions? I haven’t heard that before. Can you elaborate?

As far as the rules next year they will still be allowed to develop the car but it has to be the 2020 chassis. That’s how I understood it.

They’re basically cutting downforce levels a bit for 2021 because the current tyres might not be able to take the improved downforce levels team will develop to next season. This is because the tyres being used were designed for 2019 cars as the teams rejected the new spec tyres.

JN23 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:04 pm

kleefton wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:56 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:21 am

Greenman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:07 am

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I'm not sure whether this is the return of Ferrari International Assistance, or just "we are worried about viewing figures and sponsorships".

It is depressing to see artificially introduced mid-season and at very, very short notice - it smells of bias and desperation.

.

Well who would be assisting the FIA in policingthe engines this year and don't have a qualifying mode because they needed to change their engine for this year.

Also I thought the car designs for next year were to be frozen because of the financial implications caused by covid but now that's changed and there is going to be a downforce restriction, which car has the best downforce?

Downforce restrictions? I haven’t heard that before. Can you elaborate?

As far as the rules next year they will still be allowed to develop the car but it has to be the 2020 chassis. That’s how I understood it.

They’re basically cutting downforce levels a bit for 2021 because the current tyres might not be able to take the improved downforce levels team will develop to next season. This is because the tyres being used were designed for 2019 cars as the teams rejected the new spec tyres.

I see. Thanks.

Really enjoyed listening to Rosberg in the commentary box so far in FP2, some really good insight.

The quickest driver and team with a Ferrari engine: Grosjean and Haas. Then something breaks down. Was that Ferrari PU related?

No one was happy with the hards. They were slower than predicted. Mediums seems the best tyre. The tyre strategy will revolve around this tyre.

UnlikeUday wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:44 pm

No one was happy with the hards. They were slower than predicted. Mediums seems the best tyre. The tyre strategy will revolve around this tyre.

People on reddit are saying that Verstappen's race pace was really good on the mediums so he could be a factor in the race if that's the case.

He was 2/10ths slower than Hamilton and 5/10ths slower than Bottas on the softs according to Crofty.

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:24 pm

The quickest driver and team with a Ferrari engine: Grosjean and Haas. Then something breaks down. Was that Ferrari PU related?

Did you enjoy the free practice commentary a bit more than normal today? I found what Chandhok said about driving styles in FP1 interesting and Rosberg had a lot of good stuff to say in FP2. I found his talk about where and where not to save tyres round a lap fascinating.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:06 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:24 pm

The quickest driver and team with a Ferrari engine: Grosjean and Haas. Then something breaks down. Was that Ferrari PU related?

Did you enjoy the free practice commentary a bit more than normal today? I found what Chandhok said about driving styles in FP1 interesting and Rosberg had a lot of good stuff to say in FP2. I found his talk about where and where not to save tyres round a lap fascinating.

I usually don't bother watching practice when it is on sky just because crofty bothers me to much. I did briefly glance at FP2 but i will be honest I didn't listen. I can't always judge it since I often don't watch it and can understand that Rosberg will have made it more interesting. But I obviously can't judge it today. Don't think I'm expecting it to be poor though just because I haven't listened to it.

I just often find I watch it for a few minutes on other occasions and then have to mute it. Chandhok has always been excellent in practice. I watched every session when he did commentary for Channel 4. I still think he's very good, but I find almost every presenter that has moved to sky that used to be on Channel 4 or the BBC to become a little - or in some cases a lot worse than they used to be. I often find their roles are a bit forced and don't suit their presenting style or personality as much and felt they had more freedom to present in the way they wanted before.

I only watched FP2 but I have got to say even with the clown Crofty it was really interesting and enjoyable. Rosberg was great to listen to and knows so much about the cars, Chandhok was very good too.

Greenman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:07 am

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I'm not sure whether this is the return of Ferrari International Assistance, or just "we are worried about viewing figures and sponsorships".

It is depressing to see artificially introduced mid-season and at very, very short notice - it smells of bias and desperation.

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Should have been done a few years ago to be honest. Would have made for much crazier starts and races and perhaps closed some of the gaps up.

Oh well, hindsight is a great thing I guess.

JN23 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:12 pm

Option or Prime wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:06 pm

So if everyone has to run the same engine settings all weekend then RB drivers asking to turn the power up will go as well then! Didn't like the pit tinkering with power levels during the race anyway.
Will it make a big difference?

I guess there's a few ways of looking at this

- Merc (and RP/Williams) lose out most in qualifying as the Merc qualifying mode is seen as the best
- Instead of being on pole by one second, Merc will be on pole by less but still by a long way
- Teams will have to find a balance between qualy performance but race reliability - probably not easy mid-season
- Teams who have more reliable engines will probably be advantaged

It's the reliability implications which worry me most, plus also the fuel efficiency.

Manufacturers designed their engines around a set of rules at the start of the season to manage engine life across races, and also to manage fuel etc... throughout a race. Now they've lost the settings but can't change the physical engine. Seems a little unfair.

Also how short-sighted is this change if it eliminates fuel-saving during safety car periods leading to more dreaded 'lift & coast"?

Latifi could well have started to look reasonable now. Not sure if is related to Russell missing last practice, but Russel didn't sound happy with his car all the previous race and I'll be honest, Latifi's pace certainly did look better. He also commented on how comfortable he was with his car. He's now 2 tenths up of Russell again and Russell is the one not comfortable. Russell has looked great in qualifying many times this year, But I'm not sure if is the car or him, but on race day, he has several times looked a bit underwhelming that I'm not convinced is totally down to the car. Very little to base it on, but I do wonder if Latifi really could be challenging him a little more for the rest of the year. Is Latifi possibly a bit better than we predicted or is it too early to tell?

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:27 pm

Latifi could well have started to look reasonable now. Not sure if is related to Russell missing last practice, but Russel didn't sound happy with his car all the previous race and I'll be honest, Latifi's pace certainly did look better. He also commented on how comfortable he was with his car. He's now 2 tenths up of Russell again and Russell is the one not comfortable. Russell has looked great in qualifying many times this year, But I'm not sure if is the car or him, but on race day, he has several times looked a bit underwhelming that I'm not convinced is totally down to the car. Very little to base it on, but I do wonder if Latifi really could be challenging him a little more for the rest of the year. Is Latifi possibly a bit better than we predicted or is it too early to tell?

I haven't been that impressed with Russell in the races yet either. I have no doubt he's a very strong qualifier, however. I expected Latifi to be mediocre-average and that more or less appears to be the case. But he is good enough to be on the grid and he's supposed to sometimes give Russell a fight. But I expect Russell to keep outperforming him in the races as well as qualifying. I'm just wondering if and when we'll see some standout race performances from Russell.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:06 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:24 pm

The quickest driver and team with a Ferrari engine: Grosjean and Haas. Then something breaks down. Was that Ferrari PU related?

Did you enjoy the free practice commentary a bit more than normal today? I found what Chandhok said about driving styles in FP1 interesting and Rosberg had a lot of good stuff to say in FP2. I found his talk about where and where not to save tyres round a lap fascinating.

I found interesting the reference to James Hunt who said a car will ultimately go quicker if you set it up on the nose, you just have to be able to live with the back end waywardness.

It's something I've heard before and I believe it's the reason why Vettel is struggling this year relative to Leclerc.

Schermerhorn wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:44 pm

Greenman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:07 am

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I'm not sure whether this is the return of Ferrari International Assistance, or just "we are worried about viewing figures and sponsorships".

It is depressing to see artificially introduced mid-season and at very, very short notice - it smells of bias and desperation.

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Should have been done a few years ago to be honest. Would have made for much crazier starts and races and perhaps closed some of the gaps up.

Oh well, hindsight is a great thing I guess.

Why bother spending the money on the cars just for the FIA to come along midseason and close the performance gaps with rule changes, field spec cars it's a lot cheaper.

A_Game_A_Day wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:55 pm

JN23 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:12 pm

Option or Prime wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:06 pm

So if everyone has to run the same engine settings all weekend then RB drivers asking to turn the power up will go as well then! Didn't like the pit tinkering with power levels during the race anyway.
Will it make a big difference?

I guess there's a few ways of looking at this

- Merc (and RP/Williams) lose out most in qualifying as the Merc qualifying mode is seen as the best
- Instead of being on pole by one second, Merc will be on pole by less but still by a long way
- Teams will have to find a balance between qualy performance but race reliability - probably not easy mid-season
- Teams who have more reliable engines will probably be advantaged

It's the reliability implications which worry me most, plus also the fuel efficiency.

Manufacturers designed their engines around a set of rules at the start of the season to manage engine life across races, and also to manage fuel etc... throughout a race. Now they've lost the settings but can't change the physical engine. Seems a little unfair.

Also how short-sighted is this change if it eliminates fuel-saving during safety car periods leading to more dreaded 'lift & coast"?

First priority is to stop Mercedes winning, I don't think they look much beyond that.

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:27 pm

Latifi could well have started to look reasonable now. Not sure if is related to Russell missing last practice, but Russel didn't sound happy with his car all the previous race and I'll be honest, Latifi's pace certainly did look better. He also commented on how comfortable he was with his car. He's now 2 tenths up of Russell again and Russell is the one not comfortable. Russell has looked great in qualifying many times this year, But I'm not sure if is the car or him, but on race day, he has several times looked a bit underwhelming that I'm not convinced is totally down to the car. Very little to base it on, but I do wonder if Latifi really could be challenging him a little more for the rest of the year. Is Latifi possibly a bit better than we predicted or is it too early to tell?

One practice session after Russell had to sit out the first one.

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:10 pm

Schermerhorn wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:44 pm

Greenman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:07 am

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I'm not sure whether this is the return of Ferrari International Assistance, or just "we are worried about viewing figures and sponsorships".

It is depressing to see artificially introduced mid-season and at very, very short notice - it smells of bias and desperation.

.

Should have been done a few years ago to be honest. Would have made for much crazier starts and races and perhaps closed some of the gaps up.

Oh well, hindsight is a great thing I guess.

Why bother spending the money on the cars just for the FIA to come along midseason and close the performance gaps with rule changes, field spec cars it's a lot cheaper.

That's one for the FIA to answer, I guess. But surely, it must be a reactionary move to dwindling interest in the sport? Still, might be too late to recover lost viewership.

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:12 pm

A_Game_A_Day wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:55 pm

JN23 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:12 pm

Option or Prime wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:06 pm

So if everyone has to run the same engine settings all weekend then RB drivers asking to turn the power up will go as well then! Didn't like the pit tinkering with power levels during the race anyway.
Will it make a big difference?

I guess there's a few ways of looking at this

- Merc (and RP/Williams) lose out most in qualifying as the Merc qualifying mode is seen as the best
- Instead of being on pole by one second, Merc will be on pole by less but still by a long way
- Teams will have to find a balance between qualy performance but race reliability - probably not easy mid-season
- Teams who have more reliable engines will probably be advantaged

It's the reliability implications which worry me most, plus also the fuel efficiency.

Manufacturers designed their engines around a set of rules at the start of the season to manage engine life across races, and also to manage fuel etc... throughout a race. Now they've lost the settings but can't change the physical engine. Seems a little unfair.

Also how short-sighted is this change if it eliminates fuel-saving during safety car periods leading to more dreaded 'lift & coast"?

First priority is to stop Mercedes winning, I don't think they look much beyond that.

I wonder, if that is the FIA's priority is that the cause of Toto Wolff questioning his future with Mercedes? Is the challenge of staying number 1 becoming too much for him I wonder?

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:15 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:27 pm

Latifi could well have started to look reasonable now. Not sure if is related to Russell missing last practice, but Russel didn't sound happy with his car all the previous race and I'll be honest, Latifi's pace certainly did look better. He also commented on how comfortable he was with his car. He's now 2 tenths up of Russell again and Russell is the one not comfortable. Russell has looked great in qualifying many times this year, But I'm not sure if is the car or him, but on race day, he has several times looked a bit underwhelming that I'm not convinced is totally down to the car. Very little to base it on, but I do wonder if Latifi really could be challenging him a little more for the rest of the year. Is Latifi possibly a bit better than we predicted or is it too early to tell?

One practice session after Russell had to sit out the first one.

But he was making the same sort of comments as the previous race which is why I brought it up.

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:53 am

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:15 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:27 pm

Latifi could well have started to look reasonable now. Not sure if is related to Russell missing last practice, but Russel didn't sound happy with his car all the previous race and I'll be honest, Latifi's pace certainly did look better. He also commented on how comfortable he was with his car. He's now 2 tenths up of Russell again and Russell is the one not comfortable. Russell has looked great in qualifying many times this year, But I'm not sure if is the car or him, but on race day, he has several times looked a bit underwhelming that I'm not convinced is totally down to the car. Very little to base it on, but I do wonder if Latifi really could be challenging him a little more for the rest of the year. Is Latifi possibly a bit better than we predicted or is it too early to tell?

One practice session after Russell had to sit out the first one.

But he was making the same sort of comments as the previous race which is why I brought it up.

Nissany was closer to Latifi than Latifi generally is to Russell and closer than Nissany usually is to the top runners in F2.

I think you're way jumping the gun. Russell qualifies well out of position. Obviously he is going to go backwards in the race. Come back when Latifi has beaten him a few times.

Strange crash from Ocon as he seemed to brake and spin into the wall as he came up behind Magnussen. Under investigation but can't see a penalty coming.

One thing that should come after that is some maximum lap times. Drivers are going so slowly that they're getting in each other's way a lot. Just before the crash there was five drivers almost on the same piece of track. It's asking for trouble.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:37 am

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:53 am

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:15 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:27 pm

Latifi could well have started to look reasonable now. Not sure if is related to Russell missing last practice, but Russel didn't sound happy with his car all the previous race and I'll be honest, Latifi's pace certainly did look better. He also commented on how comfortable he was with his car. He's now 2 tenths up of Russell again and Russell is the one not comfortable. Russell has looked great in qualifying many times this year, But I'm not sure if is the car or him, but on race day, he has several times looked a bit underwhelming that I'm not convinced is totally down to the car. Very little to base it on, but I do wonder if Latifi really could be challenging him a little more for the rest of the year. Is Latifi possibly a bit better than we predicted or is it too early to tell?

One practice session after Russell had to sit out the first one.

But he was making the same sort of comments as the previous race which is why I brought it up.

Nissany was closer to Latifi than Latifi generally is to Russell and closer than Nissany usually is to the top runners in F2.

I think you're way jumping the gun. Russell qualifies well out of position. Obviously he is going to go backwards in the race. Come back when Latifi has beaten him a few times.

I know it is a bit early. But last race was not related to qualifying higher up. His pace clearly looked slower than his team mate a lot of the race and they both did 3 stops and he kept complaining about the car. Not saying it is going to continue that, but saying similar things about how comfortable he feels in the car makes me wonder if similar may happen again this weekend.

well done kimi

Odd that Merc would go out there.

Max needs to split the racing point cars at least otherwise the win will be out of reach tomorrow.

mercs going on the softs for Q2

That new chassis surely is not helping Seb out.

gasly about half a second up on kvyat. But I still think Kvyat often seems t have better race pace.