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Tomorrow's race is poised for a classic race. All eyes on Hulk.
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I can't see Verstappen not managing to get his best possible result unless he makes a mistake. Stroll is usually decent in the races compared to qualifying and he race starts are also a strength of his. I think the best Hulkenberg will be able to manage when being realistic is 4th. But I wouldn't be that surprised if Stroll gets the better of him on race day given the advantage he has experience wise.

If Mercedes do the same strategy for both drivers, given Bottas's pace last weekend and this time out in practice, I think he will reasonably comfortably be able to keep hamilton behind if he makes no mistakes - though i assume it will always be close. But it is incredibly unlikely Hamilton will do this, but will Mercedes allow him to do what he wants strategy wise?

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I think Hamilton will give Bottas some problems. Remember last years race? We now team mates can race here. I suspect Hamilton will run a longer first stint and get himself a tyre advantage for the second half of the race.

I would guess Verstappen gets another impressive 3rd with a close battle behind with the Hulk, Ricciardo, Gasly, Stroll and Leclerc.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:18 pm
I think Hamilton will give Bottas some problems. Remember last years race? We now team mates can race here. I suspect Hamilton will run a longer first stint and get himself a tyre advantage for the second half of the race.

I would guess Verstappen gets another impressive 3rd with a close battle behind with the Hulk, Ricciardo, Gasly, Stroll and Leclerc.
Bottas has got to eek out his stints as long as possible to prevent this happening to him again. When Mercedes comes knocking to box, he should try bargain to stay out until they threaten to pit Hamilton first.

Other than that, he has to be sharp off the grid. He was very timid last Sunday.
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We can expect atleast 1 safety car outing tomorrow!
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Silverstone remains one of the most boring races just behind Monaco, outside of tyres exploding towards the end its usually a snoozefest.

But the british press no how to hype it up!

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:18 pm
I think Hamilton will give Bottas some problems. Remember last years race? We now team mates can race here. I suspect Hamilton will run a longer first stint and get himself a tyre advantage for the second half of the race.

I would guess Verstappen gets another impressive 3rd with a close battle behind with the Hulk, Ricciardo, Gasly, Stroll and Leclerc.
Agree with this. I just expect Bottas to be better than he was last year pace wise based on last race. If Hamilton jumps ahead and they are on the same tyres having done the same number of laps, then I think there is no question Hamilton will win, even if Bottas he right behind him. But Given Bottas at least had similar pace to hamilton last time out on race day, I think he may just about be able to manage a win, but we will see.

I think there is little question that Verstappen will be 3rd if he has no issues, and probably my quite some margin. Racing point seem inconsistent over the weekend based on the last few races. I feel Hulkenberg will likely drop back and get beaten by Ricciardo and Leclerc.

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I think he might have enough to beat Ricciardo and Leclerc but I expect Verstappen to maximise his result again. Either way it should be a much more interesting race than last weekend. I hope Hamilton doesn't pip Bottas at the start.

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Hamilton and Bottas will have the same strategy, it will be M-H-H. Bottas didnt get into Hamiltons DRS once last week and to even make a challenge for position you need to be so much faster than the car in front.
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F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:00 pm
Hamilton and Bottas will have the same strategy, it will be M-H-H. Bottas didnt get into Hamiltons DRS once last week and to even make a challenge for position you need to be so much faster than the car in front.
Typical of me to be the one to mention this. I know anyone can say that he was virtually never in Hamilton's DRS range, and I'm not including the restarts, but on lap 23, he was briefly. I remember the channel 4 commentators mentioning it and looking back at the graphics, he was. Since the SC ending on lap 18, he stayed between a 1 and 1.5 seconds and just got into DRS range when i mentioned, so strictly speaking, it wasn't that he never did. I think there were one or two other occasions too, but Hamilton never looked under threat. I do expect hamilton will frequently be able to be in Bottas's DRS like he could in Austria tomorrow though.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:20 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:00 pm
Hamilton and Bottas will have the same strategy, it will be M-H-H. Bottas didnt get into Hamiltons DRS once last week and to even make a challenge for position you need to be so much faster than the car in front.
Typical of me to be the one to mention this. I know anyone can say that he was virtually never in Hamilton's DRS range, and I'm not including the restarts, but on lap 23, he was briefly. I remember the channel 4 commentators mentioning it and looking back at the graphics, he was. Since the SC ending on lap 18, he stayed between a 1 and 1.5 seconds and just got into DRS range when i mentioned, so strictly speaking, it wasn't that he never did. I think there were one or two other occasions too, but Hamilton never looked under threat. I do expect hamilton will frequently be able to be in Bottas's DRS like he could in Austria tomorrow though.
I saw Bottas a few times being within a second of Hamilton but did he ever actually cross a DRS activation zone within a second? Edit: detection zone.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:20 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:00 pm
Hamilton and Bottas will have the same strategy, it will be M-H-H. Bottas didnt get into Hamiltons DRS once last week and to even make a challenge for position you need to be so much faster than the car in front.
Typical of me to be the one to mention this. I know anyone can say that he was virtually never in Hamilton's DRS range, and I'm not including the restarts, but on lap 23, he was briefly. I remember the channel 4 commentators mentioning it and looking back at the graphics, he was. Since the SC ending on lap 18, he stayed between a 1 and 1.5 seconds and just got into DRS range when i mentioned, so strictly speaking, it wasn't that he never did. I think there were one or two other occasions too, but Hamilton never looked under threat. I do expect hamilton will frequently be able to be in Bottas's DRS like he could in Austria tomorrow though.
That's the difference in race pace though, Hamilton will spend lap after lap in Bottas's DRS which means he is quite abit faster but you have to be around a second or more quicker to try the overtake in equal cars. Bottas did show good race pace in one race out of four this season but didn't put Hamilton under pressure once. Nothing against Bottas as the same happened with Rosberg, Rosberg being behind we never really got a fight but Hamilton behind we knew we would get something to watch as fans, it's just drivers being in the same team limits what you can do as a driver.
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The temperature tomorrow might make it a bit more difficult for Hamilton to stay in Bottas’ DRS zone as much as you’d usually expect.

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JN23 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:11 pm
The temperature tomorrow might make it a bit more difficult for Hamilton to stay in Bottas’ DRS zone as much as you’d usually expect.
Hamiltons only option is to go longer in the first stint, I dont think he will overtake on track so his better off staying back and saving tyres.
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It's so early in the season, but I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Bottas' has to convert this pole into a win tomorrow. Finishing second to Hamilton would leave him 36-38 points behind (depending on fastest lap) and a lead that would be looking insurmountable.

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With Verstappen on hard tyres the likelihood is that the Mercs will have to pass him or wait until he pits. Whoever manages that the best will decide the race, it will put those three cars in close proximity for several laps, should be fun.

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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:30 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:18 pm
I think Hamilton will give Bottas some problems. Remember last years race? We now team mates can race here. I suspect Hamilton will run a longer first stint and get himself a tyre advantage for the second half of the race.

I would guess Verstappen gets another impressive 3rd with a close battle behind with the Hulk, Ricciardo, Gasly, Stroll and Leclerc.
Bottas has got to eek out his stints as long as possible to prevent this happening to him again. When Mercedes comes knocking to box, he should try bargain to stay out until they threaten to pit Hamilton first.

Other than that, he has to be sharp off the grid. He was very timid last Sunday.
If Bottas runs out of tyres then Hamilton will pass him, you can't just stay out despite the condition of your tyres.
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:48 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:18 pm
I think Hamilton will give Bottas some problems. Remember last years race? We now team mates can race here. I suspect Hamilton will run a longer first stint and get himself a tyre advantage for the second half of the race.

I would guess Verstappen gets another impressive 3rd with a close battle behind with the Hulk, Ricciardo, Gasly, Stroll and Leclerc.
Agree with this. I just expect Bottas to be better than he was last year pace wise based on last race. If Hamilton jumps ahead and they are on the same tyres having done the same number of laps, then I think there is no question Hamilton will win, even if Bottas he right behind him. But Given Bottas at least had similar pace to hamilton last time out on race day, I think he may just about be able to manage a win, but we will see.

I think there is little question that Verstappen will be 3rd if he has no issues, and probably my quite some margin. Racing point seem inconsistent over the weekend based on the last few races. I feel Hulkenberg will likely drop back and get beaten by Ricciardo and Leclerc.
Bottas clearly concentrated on a qualifying set up so his race pace might not necessariy be as good as last week.
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pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:53 am
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:48 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:18 pm
I think Hamilton will give Bottas some problems. Remember last years race? We now team mates can race here. I suspect Hamilton will run a longer first stint and get himself a tyre advantage for the second half of the race.

I would guess Verstappen gets another impressive 3rd with a close battle behind with the Hulk, Ricciardo, Gasly, Stroll and Leclerc.
Agree with this. I just expect Bottas to be better than he was last year pace wise based on last race. If Hamilton jumps ahead and they are on the same tyres having done the same number of laps, then I think there is no question Hamilton will win, even if Bottas he right behind him. But Given Bottas at least had similar pace to hamilton last time out on race day, I think he may just about be able to manage a win, but we will see.

I think there is little question that Verstappen will be 3rd if he has no issues, and probably my quite some margin. Racing point seem inconsistent over the weekend based on the last few races. I feel Hulkenberg will likely drop back and get beaten by Ricciardo and Leclerc.
Bottas clearly concentrated on a qualifying set up so his race pace might not necessariy be as good as last week.
It’s a bit early to say he clearly concentrated on qualy set up isn’t it? You could be right but I’m not sure those quotes prove it one way or the other.

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pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:51 am
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:30 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:18 pm
I think Hamilton will give Bottas some problems. Remember last years race? We now team mates can race here. I suspect Hamilton will run a longer first stint and get himself a tyre advantage for the second half of the race.

I would guess Verstappen gets another impressive 3rd with a close battle behind with the Hulk, Ricciardo, Gasly, Stroll and Leclerc.
Bottas has got to eek out his stints as long as possible to prevent this happening to him again. When Mercedes comes knocking to box, he should try bargain to stay out until they threaten to pit Hamilton first.

Other than that, he has to be sharp off the grid. He was very timid last Sunday.
If Bottas runs out of tyres then Hamilton will pass him, you can't just stay out despite the condition of your tyres.
Which is an 'if'. It is Hamilton who has to drive in dirty air destroying his tyres and who has to be fast enough to pass him. Although I would agree Hamilton generally manages his tyres better.
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Hulk to lead after contact between BOT and HAM :lol:
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I would be astonished if Hamilton overtakes on track, I would just sit out the dirty air and save your tyres to go longer as that's the only strategy.
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Verstappen keeping the Mercs honest on hard tyres so far.

Edit: He's actually gaining this lap now.
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Can anyone explain something to me....

When Pirelli used to make really soft tyres 2011-13 teams would always stop twice, often three times but they were still able to do a stint of at least 10 laps or so on the softest tyre.

Now in order to tempt the teams away from a one stop strategy they have to be supplied by compounds so soft the softest tyre is basically unrunable.

What's changed?

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Max is on the best race tyre but still has to run the mediums later but at least he can do that on lower fuel.
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For Redbull they have the best Mercedes leading this race.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:25 pm
Can anyone explain something to me....

When Pirelli used to make really soft tyres 2011-13 teams would always stop twice, often three times but they were still able to do a stint of at least 10 laps or so on the softest tyre.

Now in order to tempt the teams away from a one stop strategy they have to be supplied by compounds so soft the softest tyre is basically unrunable.

What's changed?
My thinking: Pirelli have been caught slacking on product quality, or the FIA told them to change the tyres to suit a certain style that has led to this.
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This race is done now
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:27 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:25 pm
Can anyone explain something to me....

When Pirelli used to make really soft tyres 2011-13 teams would always stop twice, often three times but they were still able to do a stint of at least 10 laps or so on the softest tyre.

Now in order to tempt the teams away from a one stop strategy they have to be supplied by compounds so soft the softest tyre is basically unrunable.

What's changed?
My thinking: Pirelli have been caught slacking on product quality, or the FIA told them to change the tyres to suit a certain style that has led to this.
It appears my assessment of Pirelli tires was spot on last week and that they are using crap tires to add excitement to races which would be far more boring given the Mercedes dominance.

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Pretty hilarious if Verstappen one stops on softer tyres than last week when there were a handful of delaminations.
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Verstappen has this won.
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pokerman wrote:
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Verstappen has this won.
yeah I Don't see either merc winning

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I do believe Max is on for the win!!

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Max 1 sec faster per lap than Mercedes on +20 lap tyres when Merc is on fresh xD hilarious

And Hamilton already complaints about second set... xD

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Hulkenberg has a shot here if Mercedes tyre's blow
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Hulk needs to keep this fast and clean and he could get at least one Merc if the Mercs keep destroying their tyres.
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WTF Red Bull is doing.... Max was fastest on track...

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Mayox wrote:
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WTF Red Bull is doing.... Max was fastest on track...
Mercedes have to pit again. Best not to risk a delamination.
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