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Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:40 pm
by Black_Flag_11
I dont see the need to remove the posts in the drive to survive thread.

Of course they were nonsense theories but I don't see why absurd theories shouldn't be allowed, unless of course they contain serious allegations which run the risk of legal action, which I dont think those posts did anymore than half the theories we post on here every day.

I think we are grown up enough to deal with seeing opinions and theories we find ridiculous, and choosing whether we engage or ignore, without having posts deleted just because they are considered to be too wrong. Seems like over-moderation in this case IMO.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:50 pm
by mikeyg123
I agree. The post was clearly wildly speculative but no more so than a lot of what I read. I've just replied to a post basically saying Hamilton is too noble to EVER go against team orders. That's just a wild a theory.

I mean... I could say something like "I think Alpine will replace Ocon with Gasly for 2022" and it really is just as much of a stab in the dark.

So if you start deleting opinions for being baseless then you're going to be giving yourselves a lot of work.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:02 pm
by Siao7
I also agree, nothing too bad in that post. Unless someone got too sensitive and reported it, I don't think there was anything in that post that was inflammatory.

I'd wager that a good percentage in the forum is speculative, many threads are "what if" kind of threads.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:26 pm
by Mod Aqua
Just to clarify, the post was not just removed for those reasons, as it broke one of the forum red line rules as well as several of our posting ettiquette guideliness, and that is the reason it was removed. Given the amount of work involved in removing it, given the number of posts and outdated phpBB UI, I certainly wouldn't have got rid of it if it didn't break rules.

As for the speculative nature of the post, suggesting you think that a driver is going to replace another driver is completely different to suggesting a baseless nonsensical conspiracy theory. Accusing someone of bribing Netflix to bury the George Russell Mercedes drive because it makes Hamilton look bad would be libellous if it weren't so ridiculous. It's the sort of nonsense we see on social media websites and I like to think this forum holds itself to a higher standard.

Having said that - if it was just that, then it would have been left as it would have been destroyed for its complete logical failings - and that's part of the reason why the posts tackling that were left up (because a discussion of the editing direction of DTS is worthy of criticism).

So people are free to speculate (so long as they stay within the forum's rules)

I realise I made an error in how I edited the posted because the comment looked like they were removed for the unsubstantiated rumours. That was written so I could leave the quoted replies in place with the content that was of value to the thread, so the post critiquing the speculation had some context.

Re: Which team has the best driver pairing?

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:28 pm
by TheGiantHogweed
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:13 pm
Post moved from "Which team has the best driver pairing" : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16244
A.J. wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:01 pm
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:27 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:46 pm
RBR v Merc is interesting. I don't think many people would say Verstappen is BETTER than Hamilton, so presumably it means Perez is considered better than Bottas.

Unless people have factored in the team aspect and consider a VER/PER line up more effective overall than a HAM/BOT line up even if HAM and BOT are stronger individually?

Bottas is probably faster than Perez, as Bottas is one of the best qualifiers on the grid right now. But Bottas also is let down by having a self inflicted dire stint every other race. Perez meanwhile is a decent qualifier who is able to produce top level long run pace. It's more than just his legendary tyre life skills, although that is a big part of it.

You don't get any points for Saturday, and it will be interesting to see how Perez delivers on a Sunday if Mercedes and Red Bull have a similar gap to the midfield as last season.
BiB - While Bottas in my eyes is also a better qualifier than Perez, I wouldn't call him "one of the best" in any way. A lot of it is down to the car being miles ahead of everyone else - and a lot of it is down to Hamilton being massively overrated when it comes to quali pace (again, thanks to having a hugely dominant car for how many ever seasons he's had - easy to rack up poles when you're miles ahead and just need to beat one other guy). Similar to Vettel during the RBR years - he seemed to be the absolute fastest guy in quali for such a long time, pulling out those magic laps at the end almost every single time - but now nobody rates him as one of the best qualifiers overall.

Don't mean to derail the thread into a conversation about Hamilton's qualifying prowess, but I do think the likes of Verstappen/Leclerc will hand Bottas a far more comprehensive beating than he's getting right now in qualifying.

Race pace - agree with you 100%. A Perez who manages to qualify up front would always be a contender for the race win, unlike Bottas who only manages to win when his teammate is having an off day.
While Bottas has shown to not challenge Hamilton often, he hasn't only won when hamilton has had an "off day". There was nothing wrong with Hamilton's performance on race day in the USA in 2019 and the same goes for Japan and Baku that year. Hamilton had bad luck/penalties in Austria 2017 which won't have helped, but it wasn't an off day. The days he messed up or was actually having a really bad day when Bottas won was Russia 2017 and Austria last year. Abu Dhabi maybe could be put down to his "underperforming after earning WDC" or something, but that was another race where to me Bottas looked to beat him and win on merit and I don't see why Hamilton wouldn't be trying his best. Other races that Bottas was on target to win until bad luck hit him such as China, Russia 2018 and Emilia Romagna last year, was Hamilton having an off day in all of these? China maybe, but not the other 2.

Bottas doesn't get to Hamilton's impressive level often. But I would say he just occasionally does rather than implying if he's matching or beating him that it must be because Hamilton's having an off day. If Hamilton has had the level of off days that Bottas has looked better than him, then he's had too many to be considered great to the extent he is.

Regarding Perez, his race pace is better than Bottas over the whole race most of the time certainly, but you are sort of concluding things without evidence by saying he would "always" be a contender for the race win if he qualifies up front. We have no evidence yet. I wouldn't be against what you said if you just said it seems likely, but you are stating it like it is guaranteed.
I am confused as to why this has been moved to this thread. It was discussing Bottas's pace relative to hamilton on race day which does somewhat relate to how strong the team pairing is. Why has it been moved to this "Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?" when it is only talking about races? If I had originally put it here, i would considered myself to have gone off topic as well as expecting it to be moved to another thread.

Strange.

Re: Which team has the best driver pairing?

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:40 pm
by Mod Aqua
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:28 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:13 pm
Post moved from "Which team has the best driver pairing" : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16244
A.J. wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:01 pm
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:27 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:46 pm
RBR v Merc is interesting. I don't think many people would say Verstappen is BETTER than Hamilton, so presumably it means Perez is considered better than Bottas.

Unless people have factored in the team aspect and consider a VER/PER line up more effective overall than a HAM/BOT line up even if HAM and BOT are stronger individually?

Bottas is probably faster than Perez, as Bottas is one of the best qualifiers on the grid right now. But Bottas also is let down by having a self inflicted dire stint every other race. Perez meanwhile is a decent qualifier who is able to produce top level long run pace. It's more than just his legendary tyre life skills, although that is a big part of it.

You don't get any points for Saturday, and it will be interesting to see how Perez delivers on a Sunday if Mercedes and Red Bull have a similar gap to the midfield as last season.
BiB - While Bottas in my eyes is also a better qualifier than Perez, I wouldn't call him "one of the best" in any way. A lot of it is down to the car being miles ahead of everyone else - and a lot of it is down to Hamilton being massively overrated when it comes to quali pace (again, thanks to having a hugely dominant car for how many ever seasons he's had - easy to rack up poles when you're miles ahead and just need to beat one other guy). Similar to Vettel during the RBR years - he seemed to be the absolute fastest guy in quali for such a long time, pulling out those magic laps at the end almost every single time - but now nobody rates him as one of the best qualifiers overall.

Don't mean to derail the thread into a conversation about Hamilton's qualifying prowess, but I do think the likes of Verstappen/Leclerc will hand Bottas a far more comprehensive beating than he's getting right now in qualifying.

Race pace - agree with you 100%. A Perez who manages to qualify up front would always be a contender for the race win, unlike Bottas who only manages to win when his teammate is having an off day.
While Bottas has shown to not challenge Hamilton often, he hasn't only won when hamilton has had an "off day". There was nothing wrong with Hamilton's performance on race day in the USA in 2019 and the same goes for Japan and Baku that year. Hamilton had bad luck/penalties in Austria 2017 which won't have helped, but it wasn't an off day. The days he messed up or was actually having a really bad day when Bottas won was Russia 2017 and Austria last year. Abu Dhabi maybe could be put down to his "underperforming after earning WDC" or something, but that was another race where to me Bottas looked to beat him and win on merit and I don't see why Hamilton wouldn't be trying his best. Other races that Bottas was on target to win until bad luck hit him such as China, Russia 2018 and Emilia Romagna last year, was Hamilton having an off day in all of these? China maybe, but not the other 2.

Bottas doesn't get to Hamilton's impressive level often. But I would say he just occasionally does rather than implying if he's matching or beating him that it must be because Hamilton's having an off day. If Hamilton has had the level of off days that Bottas has looked better than him, then he's had too many to be considered great to the extent he is.

Regarding Perez, his race pace is better than Bottas over the whole race most of the time certainly, but you are sort of concluding things without evidence by saying he would "always" be a contender for the race win if he qualifies up front. We have no evidence yet. I wouldn't be against what you said if you just said it seems likely, but you are stating it like it is guaranteed.
I am confused as to why this has been moved to this thread. It was discussing Bottas's pace relative to hamilton on race day which does somewhat relate to how strong the team pairing is. Why has it been moved to this "Who are the BEST QUALIFIERS on the grid?" when it is only talking about races? If I had originally put it here, i would considered myself to have gone off topic as well as expecting it to be moved to another thread.

Strange.
It was moved in error, I apologise but the phpBB moderation UI is really awkward to use, especially for moving posts, I have moved it back, but also moved your post to here so not to further derail the threads.

Re: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 3:44 pm
by BMWSauber84
I can't believe the spamming troll hasn't been booted out yet but it is what it is I guess. An interesting qualifying session but brutal for Perez. Mercedes will again have two cars to attack with while Red Bull will almost certainly have only one in contention.

Re: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 4:10 pm
by PF1 Mod Team
BMWSauber84 wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 3:44 pm
I can't believe the spamming troll hasn't been booted out yet but it is what it is I guess. An interesting qualifying session but brutal for Perez. Mercedes will again have two cars to attack with while Red Bull will almost certainly have only one in contention.
Moved this to the feedback thread. Please report posts if you feel they are breaking the rules. Things have been very quiet on the reporting front, until a flurry in the last two days, and actions have been taken where rules have been broken.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 1:17 pm
by Black_Flag_11
Re: FIA and Mercedes thread
PF1 Mod Team wrote:This thread has been locked for many reasons, but the discussion of the Red Bull bendy wing has been split into its own thread as that is an ongoing event.
Could we get some clarification on what these reasons are?

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 3:01 pm
by A.J.
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Fri May 14, 2021 1:17 pm
Re: FIA and Mercedes thread
PF1 Mod Team wrote:This thread has been locked for many reasons, but the discussion of the Red Bull bendy wing has been split into its own thread as that is an ongoing event.
Could we get some clarification on what these reasons are?
I am also interested in this - I did start off by clearly saying it was meant to be a conspiracy thread, but did I push things too far? Thanks in advance for the clarifications.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 3:29 pm
by PF1 Mod Team
For the sake of fairness to all involved, I think it is best that the details remain confidential. It was the result of a chain of events, a series of reports from many different users, and a few other historical details. Ultimately, it was a choice between locking the thread or giving people suspensions, and my feeling is that locking the thread (while removing the current affairs portion of the thread to allow that discussion to continue) and not suspending people was the preferable option. It was a thread about a sub tabloid level conspiracy theory, similar to the old FIAERARI conspiracy theories from a decade ago. The OP (A.J.) has since referred to it as just being a 'conspiracy theory thread' - which to me implies 'not serious'

Ultimately, the topic itself is not off limits, people are free to discuss what they want, so long as they abide by the rules and etiquette guidelines established in the rules thread.

As everyone will be aware, while we all share in our passion for Formula 1 - this is what brings us together, its nature as a team and individual based sport means we are very divided in that passion. This inevitably leads to differences in opinion - and combined with the fact our membership is diverse in terms of nationalities as well as a divide between native and non native English speakers - these differences in opinion often lead to people misinterpreting intent.

Of course, every so often there are also troublemakers who come along and just want to create havoc, but my hope is that at the moment we do not have people for whom that is the intent.

If that assessment is correct, then all is good, hopefully a situation like this won't arise again, but attempts to continue to stir up trouble will be noted and acted upon.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 12:16 am
by Steam Coat Hun
Any chance I can get a name change to Steam Coat Hun? It was a typo in the Indycar thread, but I think it makes for a wicked name

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:02 pm
by TheGiantHogweed
Ahh the adverts on chrome in android are unbearable at the moment. Every time i want to briefly open another tab to do something else (but leave this forum open,) it opens a tab taking me to an advertising page. Then when i close that tap and go to the tap i opened, it opens another advert from the forum in another tab. It seems impossible to escape from them. Today is certainly the worst I have found this forum to be in android regarding adverts. If the screen is in landscape, i can count 6 adverts all moving about. It is an real mess and is so distracting when trying to read the threads.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:55 pm
by Covalent
Should any images of "Helmut Marko in wet t-shirt contest" from this year's Styrian GP be pre-emptively banned? I think it belongs to the same category as the FlavThong and SexyHorner.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:02 pm
by yodasarmpit
Can we please have some moderation on the Article/News feed comments sections, some of the bile I read there is really putting me off visiting.
At least in the forum things are pretty well self managed, and the mod team do a good job, but in the Vuukle comments it seems like a free for all and attracts the worst kind of people.

That said do we really need The Forum and the News Feed comments, seems the forum is more than adequate.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:00 pm
by Mod Yellow
The main site is completely out of our remit, you can pretty much consider the forum as a seperate entity entirely at this point. If the Vuukle stuff on the main site isn't for you, perhaps consider spending more time in here? ;)

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:07 pm
by yodasarmpit
Mod Yellow wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:00 pm
The main site is completely out of our remit, you can pretty much consider the forum as a seperate entity entirely at this point. If the Vuukle stuff on the main site isn't for you, perhaps consider spending more time in here? ;)
This is where I spend most of my time anyway - just a bit quiet, but it’s kinda hard to avoid the news feed comments.
Hadn’t realised there was a separation between forum and main site, a bit of a shame as the forum is generally well behaved.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:00 am
by Tufty
yodasarmpit wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:07 pm
Mod Yellow wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:00 pm
The main site is completely out of our remit, you can pretty much consider the forum as a seperate entity entirely at this point. If the Vuukle stuff on the main site isn't for you, perhaps consider spending more time in here? ;)
This is where I spend most of my time anyway - just a bit quiet, but it’s kinda hard to avoid the news feed comments.
Hadn’t realised there was a separation between forum and main site, a bit of a shame as the forum is generally well behaved.
All credit to the mods for that, they've done a great job. Maybe we should organise a hostile takeover of the main site :P

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:16 am
by Mod Aqua
Tufty wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:00 am
yodasarmpit wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:07 pm
Mod Yellow wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:00 pm
The main site is completely out of our remit, you can pretty much consider the forum as a seperate entity entirely at this point. If the Vuukle stuff on the main site isn't for you, perhaps consider spending more time in here? ;)
This is where I spend most of my time anyway - just a bit quiet, but it’s kinda hard to avoid the news feed comments.
Hadn’t realised there was a separation between forum and main site, a bit of a shame as the forum is generally well behaved.
All credit to the mods for that, they've done a great job. Maybe we should organise a hostile takeover of the main site :P
We are busy enough managing this place, but I could read this as volunteering for front line service in such a coup attempt...

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:14 pm
by Tufty
Oh f...

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:02 am
by ob1kenobi.23
Tufty wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:14 pm
Oh f...



No Better man for the job. ;)

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:01 am
by Siao7
ob1kenobi.23 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:02 am
Tufty wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:14 pm
Oh f...



No Better man for the job. ;)
Second that!

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:03 am
by Fiki
I somehow made a double post. On trying to delete the second one, I got the caption that that is impossible for a post that has been replied to. Which it hasn't.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:43 pm
by PF1 Mod Team
Fiki wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:03 am
I somehow made a double post. On trying to delete the second one, I got the caption that that is impossible for a post that has been replied to. Which it hasn't.
Which post was it? I can have it deleted.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:20 pm
by Fiki
PF1 Mod Team wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:43 pm
Fiki wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:03 am
I somehow made a double post. On trying to delete the second one, I got the caption that that is impossible for a post that has been replied to. Which it hasn't.
Which post was it? I can have it deleted.
It's in the Hungarian FP and Q thread.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:40 pm
by PF1 Mod Team
Fiki wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:20 pm
PF1 Mod Team wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:43 pm
Fiki wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:03 am
I somehow made a double post. On trying to delete the second one, I got the caption that that is impossible for a post that has been replied to. Which it hasn't.
Which post was it? I can have it deleted.
It's in the Hungarian FP and Q thread.
Ok, fixed. I don't think there is much we can do to stop it from happening as this is a serverside issue, which we don't have access to. But if it starts happening some more we can chase up the site techies again.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:27 pm
by Tufty
Stupid question, but could it just be a timing thing? I remember a lot of times over the years I would write 2 or 3 one-liners in various threads and the forum would force me to try again in a minute or so. I wonder if the quick delete attempt triggered the same override, and the error messages were just lazily programmed.

Re: FEEDBACK THREAD

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:35 pm
by Mod Aqua
Tufty wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:27 pm
Stupid question, but could it just be a timing thing? I remember a lot of times over the years I would write 2 or 3 one-liners in various threads and the forum would force me to try again in a minute or so. I wonder if the quick delete attempt triggered the same override, and the error messages were just lazily programmed.
No, that is code we added to try and deter your witty one liners.