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Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:29 pm
by mikeyg123
So I am confused... Why do you think Guitierrez will be more used to the G forces than Hulkenberg?
Put simply I don't believe Gutierrez's time in a sim in anyway outweighs Hulkenberg's four years of recent racing F1 cars and the fact that Hulkenberg is a far better racing driver anyway.
Remember Hulkenberg has literally only missed three races. That's it. Perez will only have missed 1 fewer by the time he returns.
The reserve driver role has always been a bit of a nothing job anyway. Just someone the teams have on their books so they know if the worst comes to the worst they at least have someone. Doesn't mean they think they're the best man for the job. And Guitierrez is the reserve for the reserve driver. He's even further down the pecking order.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:10 pm
by TheGiantHogweed
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:29 pm
So I am confused... Why do you think Guitierrez will be more used to the G forces than Hulkenberg?
Put simply I don't believe Gutierrez's time in a sim in anyway outweighs Hulkenberg's four years of recent racing F1 cars and the fact that Hulkenberg is a far better racing driver anyway.
Remember Hulkenberg has literally only missed three races. That's it. Perez will only have missed 1 fewer by the time he returns.
The reserve driver role has always been a bit of a nothing job anyway. Just someone the teams have on their books so they know if the worst comes to the worst they at least have someone. Doesn't mean they think they're the best man for the job. And Guitierrez is the reserve for the reserve driver. He's even further down the pecking order.
That is not relevant?? Think about the amount of time gone by - that is my point. since the end of last season to now is a long time for Hul;kenberg to have been doing nothing or any training of a sort. Reserve drivers are there for a reason that their name suggests. How is that confusing. I'm confused because they don't use a reserve driver who's job it is. I'm not basing it on who they are. I just am puzzled by the fact that teams have reserve drivers and then they don't get used and then they go for someone who hasn't been involved with the sport in any way in around 7 months. Reserve drivers will have to at least keep up to a certain standard to fill in their role.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:32 pm
by mikeyg123
I'm not sure what you think Guitierrez has been doing that would make him likely to do a better job? He hasn't raced anything in years. He is going to be way more rusty than Hulkenberg. Hulkenberg himself before this weekend has said he has kept himself race fit incase he got a call so he has been training and keeping in shape. His recent racing experience is going to be far more valuable that Guitierrez's sim work.
A reserve driver is just someone to keep on the books to you've got a guaranteed driver available. It doesn't mean they are going to be the best person for the job or the first choice. Di Resta, the official Williams reserve driver was miles off. I expect Hulkenberg to be closer than that. You pick the best man for the job.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:59 pm
by Schumacher forever#1
TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:10 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:29 pm
So I am confused... Why do you think Guitierrez will be more used to the G forces than Hulkenberg?
Put simply I don't believe Gutierrez's time in a sim in anyway outweighs Hulkenberg's four years of recent racing F1 cars and the fact that Hulkenberg is a far better racing driver anyway.
Remember Hulkenberg has literally only missed three races. That's it. Perez will only have missed 1 fewer by the time he returns.
The reserve driver role has always been a bit of a nothing job anyway. Just someone the teams have on their books so they know if the worst comes to the worst they at least have someone. Doesn't mean they think they're the best man for the job. And Guitierrez is the reserve for the reserve driver. He's even further down the pecking order.
That is not relevant?? Think about the amount of time gone by - that is my point. since the end of last season to now is a long time for Hul;kenberg to have been doing nothing or any training of a sort. Reserve drivers are there for a reason that their name suggests. How is that confusing. I'm confused because they don't use a reserve driver who's job it is. I'm not basing it on who they are. I just am puzzled by the fact that teams have reserve drivers and then they don't get used and then they go for someone who hasn't been involved with the sport in any way in around 7 months. Reserve drivers will have to at least keep up to a certain standard to fill in their role.
I'm inclined to agree. Not because I think Gutierrez is the better man for the job, I don't. But I don't see the point in having reserve drivers if you aren't going to use them. I'd like to see what Gutierrez's (and Vandoorne's) contract actually states, but I would imagine it centres on one main point: if our main driver is unable to race, you or Vandoorne will be the replacement. Why not have just had Hulkenberg as the reserve driver instead of Gutierrez in the first place? Clearly Hulkenberg in hindsight would take up the offer, and like with Vandoorne, it doesn't necessarily restrict Hulkenberg it seems.
Can't wait to see Nico back on the track regardless. One of my favourite drivers, and hopefully he'll get another proper go at F1.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:07 pm
by mikeyg123
Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:59 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:10 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:29 pm
So I am confused... Why do you think Guitierrez will be more used to the G forces than Hulkenberg?
Put simply I don't believe Gutierrez's time in a sim in anyway outweighs Hulkenberg's four years of recent racing F1 cars and the fact that Hulkenberg is a far better racing driver anyway.
Remember Hulkenberg has literally only missed three races. That's it. Perez will only have missed 1 fewer by the time he returns.
The reserve driver role has always been a bit of a nothing job anyway. Just someone the teams have on their books so they know if the worst comes to the worst they at least have someone. Doesn't mean they think they're the best man for the job. And Guitierrez is the reserve for the reserve driver. He's even further down the pecking order.
That is not relevant?? Think about the amount of time gone by - that is my point. since the end of last season to now is a long time for Hul;kenberg to have been doing nothing or any training of a sort. Reserve drivers are there for a reason that their name suggests. How is that confusing. I'm confused because they don't use a reserve driver who's job it is. I'm not basing it on who they are. I just am puzzled by the fact that teams have reserve drivers and then they don't get used and then they go for someone who hasn't been involved with the sport in any way in around 7 months. Reserve drivers will have to at least keep up to a certain standard to fill in their role.
I'm inclined to agree. Not because I think Gutierrez is the better man for the job, I don't. But I don't see the point in having reserve drivers if you aren't going to use them. I'd like to see what Gutierrez's (and Vandoorne's) contract actually states, but I would imagine it centres on one main point: if our main driver is unable to race, you or Vandoorne will be the replacement. Why not have just had Hulkenberg as the reserve driver instead of Gutierrez in the first place? Clearly Hulkenberg in hindsight would take up the offer, and like with Vandoorne, it doesn't necessarily restrict Hulkenberg it seems.
Can't wait to see Nico back on the track regardless. One of my favourite drivers, and hopefully he'll get another proper go at F1.
Reserve drivers are just an insurance policy. Nothing more. Just so you know you have an option. It doesn't mean when the crunch comes it will be your best option. Hulkenberg may well have refused an official reserve driver role as he didn't know what he would be doing and didn't want to be contractually obliged to do something that he might not fancy or might prohibit him from doing other things.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:47 pm
by Jenson's Understeer
Herb wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:08 am
Apparently Gutierrez' Super License expired last week, or so I've read on Twitter. I have no idea how true it is.
Based on some of his comments, it sounds like they had to get Hulk a renewed Superlicense anyway. Which would make sense because if he's not on the grid, and not a reserve driver, paying nearly £50,000 to renew it (based on the last known costs of £10k plus £1k per F1 point) wouldn't have really made much sense.
I do find it a little suspect that Gutierrez wouldn't have one, though. Unlike Hulk, he was actively employed as a team's reserve driver, and in fact a reserve driver to a couple of teams. So there was more of a possibility he could get a last minute call and not having a Superlicense - or having to apply for a renewal at that point - would've been very shortsighted.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:57 pm
by Jenson's Understeer
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:07 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:59 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:10 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:29 pm
So I am confused... Why do you think Guitierrez will be more used to the G forces than Hulkenberg?
Put simply I don't believe Gutierrez's time in a sim in anyway outweighs Hulkenberg's four years of recent racing F1 cars and the fact that Hulkenberg is a far better racing driver anyway.
Remember Hulkenberg has literally only missed three races. That's it. Perez will only have missed 1 fewer by the time he returns.
The reserve driver role has always been a bit of a nothing job anyway. Just someone the teams have on their books so they know if the worst comes to the worst they at least have someone. Doesn't mean they think they're the best man for the job. And Guitierrez is the reserve for the reserve driver. He's even further down the pecking order.
That is not relevant?? Think about the amount of time gone by - that is my point. since the end of last season to now is a long time for Hul;kenberg to have been doing nothing or any training of a sort. Reserve drivers are there for a reason that their name suggests. How is that confusing. I'm confused because they don't use a reserve driver who's job it is. I'm not basing it on who they are. I just am puzzled by the fact that teams have reserve drivers and then they don't get used and then they go for someone who hasn't been involved with the sport in any way in around 7 months. Reserve drivers will have to at least keep up to a certain standard to fill in their role.
I'm inclined to agree. Not because I think Gutierrez is the better man for the job, I don't. But I don't see the point in having reserve drivers if you aren't going to use them. I'd like to see what Gutierrez's (and Vandoorne's) contract actually states, but I would imagine it centres on one main point: if our main driver is unable to race, you or Vandoorne will be the replacement. Why not have just had Hulkenberg as the reserve driver instead of Gutierrez in the first place? Clearly Hulkenberg in hindsight would take up the offer, and like with Vandoorne, it doesn't necessarily restrict Hulkenberg it seems.
Can't wait to see Nico back on the track regardless. One of my favourite drivers, and hopefully he'll get another proper go at F1.
Reserve drivers are just an insurance policy. Nothing more. Just so you know you have an option. It doesn't mean when the crunch comes it will be your best option. Hulkenberg may well have refused an official reserve driver role as he didn't know what he would be doing and didn't want to be contractually obliged to do something that he might not fancy or might prohibit him from doing other things.
Re: reserve drivers being insurance policy, agreed. In the pre-Covid world, a driver such as Hulk might've had other commitments stopping him from being parachuted in, meaning Gutierrez or Vandoorne had to be used. And in the current circumstances, various restrictions could've been in place that might've prevented someone from flying in from abroad at the last minute. So while Hulk might be the preferred replacement, it makes sense that the team have official reserve drivers as well so they've got that option if they need them.
As for Hulk himself, David Croft mentioned during FP2 commentary how he was surprised that Hulk wasn't already a team's reserve driver. But he seemed to completely ignore the possibility that, having missed out on a race seat, Hulk simply didn't wish to be in the paddock but not on the grid. Maybe he just wanted a complete break from F1 if he wasn't going to be racing, rather than not being approached by any team about a reserve role. Which I think is the most logical answer.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:27 pm
by wire2004
Jenson's Understeer wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:47 pm
Herb wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:08 am
Apparently Gutierrez' Super License expired last week, or so I've read on Twitter. I have no idea how true it is.
Based on some of his comments, it sounds like they had to get Hulk a renewed Superlicense anyway. Which would make sense because if he's not on the grid, and not a reserve driver, paying nearly £50,000 to renew it
(based on the last known costs of £10k plus £1k per F1 point) wouldn't have really made much sense.
I do find it a little suspect that Gutierrez wouldn't have one, though. Unlike Hulk, he was actively employed as a team's reserve driver, and in fact a reserve driver to a couple of teams. So there was more of a possibility he could get a last minute call and not having a Superlicense - or having to apply for a renewal at that point - would've been very shortsighted.
This bit I have in bold is wrong.
The drivers super licence is not based on points scored plus $10,000. That is for the Teams costs to compete in the championship the following year.
The hulk just needed to be avaliable. And pass the lergy test to be able to drive in the grand prix.
His super licence would be upto date as he has the right requisites to drive a formula 1 car.
I.e drove a formula 1 car within the last 3 years. And if not. Has the right amount of super licence points to compete in the event.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:59 pm
by mikeyg123
I'm pretty sure drivers do have to pay for a super licence per point. They made a big fuss about it when the points system changed for 2010 but no amendments were made to the cost to reflect now drivers would score many more points.
It's spoken about on the Wiki page for FIA super licences and loads of other sources confirm -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Super ... ip%20point.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:41 pm
by LBET
I was wondering how Perez got exposed in the first place....until I read this.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... GPoi4.html
Seems he went from Austria to Mexico City to visit his recently hospitalized mum. Clearly he assumed risk in doing so and I'm absolutly gobsmacked that the team would allow it. Now a chunk of Mexico City has passed through the RP bubble. (DOH). Perhaps, facetime, meet or zoom would have been a safer alternative.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:47 pm
by TheGiantHogweed
LBET wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:41 pm
I was wondering how Perez got exposed in the first place....until I read this.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... GPoi4.html
Seems he went from Austria to Mexico City to visit his recently hospitalized mum. Clearly he assumed risk in doing so and I'm absolutly gobsmacked that the team would allow it. Now a chunk of Mexico City has passed through the RP bubble. (DOH). Perhaps, facetime, meet or zoom would have been a safer alternative.
Well this shows that Perez quite possibly should have acted more sensibly himself.
https://jalopnik.com/racing-point-drive ... 1844562963
Quote:
"According to a report by ESPN Mexico, Perez spent the break between the Hungarian Grand Prix on July 19th and the British Grand Prix this week travelling to his home country of Mexico and spending some time on the Italian coast. Some photographs were apparently posted to Carola Martinez (Sergio’s wife)‘s Instagram account showing the couple in Porto Cervo, Italy on July 24th. Further, he was seen greeting and taking photos with fans at a restaurant in Guadalajara, Mexico on July 21st.
Soon after her husband’s testing positive for the coronavirus, Martinez deleted the two photographs from social media."
This is why I really struggle to sympathise with perez for missing out these two race weekends. All f1 drivers that are determined to race at every single race in these unusual circumstances should take every care possible to follow the guide lines. Different countries have different approaches to things, but Perez will have been perfectly aware. If all this is true, one part of what he did was extremely poor indeed.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:56 pm
by Siao7
TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:47 pm
LBET wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:41 pm
I was wondering how Perez got exposed in the first place....until I read this.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... GPoi4.html
Seems he went from Austria to Mexico City to visit his recently hospitalized mum. Clearly he assumed risk in doing so and I'm absolutly gobsmacked that the team would allow it. Now a chunk of Mexico City has passed through the RP bubble. (DOH). Perhaps, facetime, meet or zoom would have been a safer alternative.
Well this shows that Perez quite possibly should have acted more sensibly himself.
https://jalopnik.com/racing-point-drive ... 1844562963
Quote:
"According to a report by ESPN Mexico, Perez spent the break between the Hungarian Grand Prix on July 19th and the British Grand Prix this week travelling to his home country of Mexico and spending some time on the Italian coast. Some photographs were apparently posted to Carola Martinez (Sergio’s wife)‘s Instagram account showing the couple in Porto Cervo, Italy on July 24th. Further, he was seen greeting and taking photos with fans at a restaurant in Guadalajara, Mexico on July 21st.
Soon after her husband’s testing positive for the coronavirus, Martinez deleted the two photographs from social media."
This is why I really struggle to sympathise with perez for missing out these two race weekends. All f1 drivers that are determined to race at every single race in these unusual circumstances should take every care possible to follow the guide lines. Different countries have different approaches to things, but Perez will have been perfectly aware. If all this is true, one part of what he did was extremely poor indeed.
Indeed, he hasn't been really isolating it seems. But all the best to him
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:12 pm
by JN23
I get the points about Perez could have been safer but from the sounds a thing, he didn’t do anything against the code of conduct.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:38 pm
by mikeyg123
LBET wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:41 pm
I was wondering how Perez got exposed in the first place....until I read this.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... GPoi4.html
Seems he went from Austria to Mexico City to visit his recently hospitalized mum. Clearly he assumed risk in doing so and I'm absolutly gobsmacked that the team would allow it. Now a chunk of Mexico City has passed through the RP bubble. (DOH). Perhaps, facetime, meet or zoom would have been a safer alternative.
No F1 team is going to ban their driver from visiting a sick, close relative. Perez acted within the guidelines set out at the end of the day.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:32 am
by Exediron
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:38 pm
No F1 team is going to ban their driver from visiting a sick, close relative. Perez acted within the guidelines set out at the end of the day.
If this ends up being the last chance Perez got to see his mother, no way is he going to regret missing two Grands Prix as a result. It's unfortunate that he contracted COVID (which, mind you, was not a certainty), but I totally understand why he did it -- and he knew Racing Point had a capable replacement lined up in case anything happened to him.
To me, this is a lot more understandable than Bottas or Leclerc going to Monaco just seemingly for the heck of it.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:19 am
by Siao7
Exediron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:32 am
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:38 pm
No F1 team is going to ban their driver from visiting a sick, close relative. Perez acted within the guidelines set out at the end of the day.
If this ends up being the last chance Perez got to see his mother, no way is he going to regret missing two Grands Prix as a result. It's unfortunate that he contracted COVID (which, mind you, was not a certainty), but I totally understand why he did it -- and he knew Racing Point had a capable replacement lined up in case anything happened to him.
To me, this is a lot more understandable than Bottas or Leclerc going to Monaco just seemingly for the heck of it.
But it's not the only thing he did, TGH's post mentions that he has also been out in Italy and mixing with people in restaurants.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:41 am
by JN23
Siao7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:19 am
Exediron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:32 am
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:38 pm
No F1 team is going to ban their driver from visiting a sick, close relative. Perez acted within the guidelines set out at the end of the day.
If this ends up being the last chance Perez got to see his mother, no way is he going to regret missing two Grands Prix as a result. It's unfortunate that he contracted COVID (which, mind you, was not a certainty), but I totally understand why he did it -- and he knew Racing Point had a capable replacement lined up in case anything happened to him.
To me, this is a lot more understandable than Bottas or Leclerc going to Monaco just seemingly for the heck of it.
But it's not the only thing he did, TGH's post mentions that he has also been out in Italy and mixing with people in restaurants.
Which seemingly didn’t break any rules.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:00 am
by mikeyg123
Siao7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:19 am
Exediron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:32 am
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:38 pm
No F1 team is going to ban their driver from visiting a sick, close relative. Perez acted within the guidelines set out at the end of the day.
If this ends up being the last chance Perez got to see his mother, no way is he going to regret missing two Grands Prix as a result. It's unfortunate that he contracted COVID (which, mind you, was not a certainty), but I totally understand why he did it -- and he knew Racing Point had a capable replacement lined up in case anything happened to him.
To me, this is a lot more understandable than Bottas or Leclerc going to Monaco just seemingly for the heck of it.
But it's not the only thing he did, TGH's post mentions that he has also been out in Italy and mixing with people in restaurants.
It seems that he stayed socially distanced and didn't break any rules. That being said it's pretty clear he could have been more careful. Makes me wonder if he has already been given his marching orders for next year so cares less than he probably should do.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:37 pm
by Jenson's Understeer
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:00 am
Siao7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:19 am
Exediron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:32 am
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:38 pm
No F1 team is going to ban their driver from visiting a sick, close relative. Perez acted within the guidelines set out at the end of the day.
If this ends up being the last chance Perez got to see his mother, no way is he going to regret missing two Grands Prix as a result. It's unfortunate that he contracted COVID (which, mind you, was not a certainty), but I totally understand why he did it -- and he knew Racing Point had a capable replacement lined up in case anything happened to him.
To me, this is a lot more understandable than Bottas or Leclerc going to Monaco just seemingly for the heck of it.
But it's not the only thing he did, TGH's post mentions that he has also been out in Italy and mixing with people in restaurants.
It seems that he stayed socially distanced and didn't break any rules. That being said it's pretty clear he could have been more careful. Makes me wonder if he has already been given his marching orders for next year so cares less than he probably should do.
He supposedly went out to a restaurant in Mexico as well.
I completely, 100% understand him going to see his mum. But if he's then chosen to go out in Mexico - where the pandemic is absolutely rampant - and taken a holiday in Italy, whilst not breaking any rules or regulations, it does lack a certain amount of common sense.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:10 pm
by mikeyg123
Jenson's Understeer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:37 pm
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:00 am
Siao7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:19 am
Exediron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:32 am
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:38 pm
No F1 team is going to ban their driver from visiting a sick, close relative. Perez acted within the guidelines set out at the end of the day.
If this ends up being the last chance Perez got to see his mother, no way is he going to regret missing two Grands Prix as a result. It's unfortunate that he contracted COVID (which, mind you, was not a certainty), but I totally understand why he did it -- and he knew Racing Point had a capable replacement lined up in case anything happened to him.
To me, this is a lot more understandable than Bottas or Leclerc going to Monaco just seemingly for the heck of it.
But it's not the only thing he did, TGH's post mentions that he has also been out in Italy and mixing with people in restaurants.
It seems that he stayed socially distanced and didn't break any rules. That being said it's pretty clear he could have been more careful. Makes me wonder if he has already been given his marching orders for next year so cares less than he probably should do.
He supposedly went out to a restaurant in Mexico as well.
I completely, 100% understand him going to see his mum. But if he's then chosen to go out in Mexico - where the pandemic is absolutely rampant - and taken a holiday in Italy, whilst not breaking any rules or regulations, it does lack a certain amount of common sense.
I think the holiday in Italy is fine but yes, going out in Mexico does not give the impression of someone who is staying as safe as possible.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:55 am
by Siao7
JN23 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:41 am
Siao7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:19 am
Exediron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:32 am
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:38 pm
No F1 team is going to ban their driver from visiting a sick, close relative. Perez acted within the guidelines set out at the end of the day.
If this ends up being the last chance Perez got to see his mother, no way is he going to regret missing two Grands Prix as a result. It's unfortunate that he contracted COVID (which, mind you, was not a certainty), but I totally understand why he did it -- and he knew Racing Point had a capable replacement lined up in case anything happened to him.
To me, this is a lot more understandable than Bottas or Leclerc going to Monaco just seemingly for the heck of it.
But it's not the only thing he did, TGH's post mentions that he has also been out in Italy and mixing with people in restaurants.
Which seemingly didn’t break any rules.
Aren't they still supposed to be within their "bubble"? The post I was replying to seems to let off Perez mixing with fans while not giving the same benefit for Leclerc doing the same thing (I am not sure if Bottas went out in Monaco). And as someone else mentioned the pandemic is still rampant there at the moment, so a bit irresponsible maybe from his part.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:02 am
by JN23
Siao7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:55 am
JN23 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:41 am
Siao7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:19 am
Exediron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:32 am
mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:38 pm
No F1 team is going to ban their driver from visiting a sick, close relative. Perez acted within the guidelines set out at the end of the day.
If this ends up being the last chance Perez got to see his mother, no way is he going to regret missing two Grands Prix as a result. It's unfortunate that he contracted COVID (which, mind you, was not a certainty), but I totally understand why he did it -- and he knew Racing Point had a capable replacement lined up in case anything happened to him.
To me, this is a lot more understandable than Bottas or Leclerc going to Monaco just seemingly for the heck of it.
But it's not the only thing he did, TGH's post mentions that he has also been out in Italy and mixing with people in restaurants.
Which seemingly didn’t break any rules.
Aren't they still supposed to be within their "bubble"? The post I was replying to seems to let off Perez mixing with fans while not giving the same benefit for Leclerc doing the same thing (I am not sure if Bottas went out in Monaco). And as someone else mentioned the pandemic is still rampant there at the moment, so a bit irresponsible maybe from his part.
In Perez’s case, no. My understanding is that bubbles ended after Hungary and restarted ahead of Silverstone. That’s the difference between Perez and Leclerc. Bottas didn’t go out in Monaco so was fine.
I agree Perez should have been more responsible, it’s just that he seems to be getting quite a bit of stick for breaking rules, which he didn’t.
Edited to clarify: I’m not saying that you are giving him stick, that’s a general observation.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:34 am
by Siao7
JN23 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:02 am
Siao7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:55 am
JN23 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:41 am
Siao7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:19 am
Exediron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:32 am
If this ends up being the last chance Perez got to see his mother, no way is he going to regret missing two Grands Prix as a result. It's unfortunate that he contracted COVID (which, mind you, was not a certainty), but I totally understand why he did it -- and he knew Racing Point had a capable replacement lined up in case anything happened to him.
To me, this is a lot more understandable than Bottas or Leclerc going to Monaco just seemingly for the heck of it.
But it's not the only thing he did, TGH's post mentions that he has also been out in Italy and mixing with people in restaurants.
Which seemingly didn’t break any rules.
Aren't they still supposed to be within their "bubble"? The post I was replying to seems to let off Perez mixing with fans while not giving the same benefit for Leclerc doing the same thing (I am not sure if Bottas went out in Monaco). And as someone else mentioned the pandemic is still rampant there at the moment, so a bit irresponsible maybe from his part.
In Perez’s case, no. My understanding is that bubbles ended after Hungary and restarted ahead of Silverstone. That’s the difference between Perez and Leclerc. Bottas didn’t go out in Monaco so was fine.
I agree Perez should have been more responsible, it’s just that he seems to be getting quite a bit of stick for breaking rules, which he didn’t.
Edited to clarify: I’m not saying that you are giving him stick, that’s a general observation.
Ok, thank you, I thought the "bubble" was still on. Maybe they should have different rules for people that would travel to areas of higher risk, like Perez did.
It just seems that he could have been a bit more sensible. In any case, I hope he recovers quickly and more importantly that he doesn't have the various lingering after effect symptoms that the survivors can get for a long time afterwards
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:05 am
by pc27b
""It just seems that he could have been a bit more sensible. ""
Should have been !
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:50 pm
by tootsie323
Edit: this is being covered in the
70th Anniversary thread (removed the link to the BBC article from below).
The BBC is reporting that Perez may be free to race this weekend if he tests negative. There seems to be some confusion over what isolation period he should be subject to.
One possible outcome of this is that Hulkenberg's brief comeback is up in a puff of smoke.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:22 pm
by mikeyg123
Yes, 10 day isolation announced the day after Perez's first test so he can get away with 7 days (yesterday) provided he can produce a negative test.
Re: Sergio Perez. Now Positive corona virus test.
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:39 am
by Flash2k11
Perez tests positive again, out of this weekend and surely Spain as well. Can't imagine Belgium rolling out the welcome wagon for him either with such a short turnaround.