2020 British Grand Prix Practice And Qualifying Thread

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:50 pm
kleefton wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:43 pm
mpls2 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:31 pm
kleefton wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:20 pm
I support Albon but I have to admit he is slower than Gasly. Redbull needs to get serious and get some experience in that second seat. Hulkenberg or Perez would both be a sound choice. They need someone to help steer them in the right direction. Right now they’re just going backwards.
I was impressed with the ferraris. TheIr chassis isn’t god awful. They are just lacking a lot of power it seems.
Hulkenberg will be closer to Stroll next race. It likely takes time to get up to speed in a new car, new team and after being out for so long.
Let's wait and see, in fact let;s look at the facts until now..

Let's look at the facts

Gasly in RBR:-
Autsraila Gasly finishes on previous lap
Bahrain 52 sec behind Max
China 62 secs behind Max
Azerbaijanan previous lap
Spain 12 secs behond Max
Monaco 4 secs behind Max
canada Gasly finishes on previous lap
Franxe - Gasly finishes on prevous lap
Austria Gasly Finishes on previous lap
Great Britain Gasly in front


Albon in RBR
Germany 2 sec behond Max
hungary Finishes on previous lap to Max
Belgium 8 secs behind Max
Italy - 15secs behind Max
Sungapire 8 secs behind Max
Russia 24 secs Behind Max
Japan Albon in Front
Mex 47 secs behind Max
USA 73 secs behind Max
Brazil - spun out by Lewis, was due for 2nd
Abu dahbi 48 secs behind Max

Austrian - On for a win - agaon spun out by Lewis..
styrian finishe 11 secs behind max
Hungary finishe 70 secs behind Max
You can’t just look at the end results and make a decision on that imo. The Austrian gp was only going to be an Albon win because of all those safety cars. If you just focus on pace, he was destroyed by Max. The reason I believe he is slower than Gasly is because of his relative speed to kvyatt. Albon was really as fast as kvyatt at TR. Gasly is clearly quicker. The reason Albon seems to be performing better is that he is a superior oVertaker an he takes more chances. But he’s too slow unfortunately and the lack of experience is another problem.
While I don't think it would be a better option, I almost wonder Kvyat going back to Red bull wouldn't be any worse than either of the latest drivers they have had. I myself thought there wasn't really anything to choose between Kvyat and Albon at Toro Rosso. Kvyat with more experience and a 2nd chance may pay off. But they need to stop going for such young and inexperienced drivers and then ruining their careers.
Are they ruining their careers or are the drivers simply not good enough and that's getting exposed? Personally I'd put a known quantity like Hulkenberg or Perez in the car for a season then they would at least find out if their other drivers aren't good enough or is Verstappen so good he's making them look silly.

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Never ending crying about stroll. The guy could win the race and we'd have the cryers on here saying "he should have won by more". You all said he'd never beat perez, he beats perez. Yesterday it was Hulk is going to show him. He beats the Hulk. Time to get over it guys. He's got the seat for another year and he's only 21. Racing point needs to do a better job on race strategy to get closer to the top teams.

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JN23 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:02 pm
Flash2k11 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:55 pm
I wonder if a certain Spaniard fancies half a season getting reaquainted with an F1 car.....
I'm guessing you're probably joking but I imagine Renault wouldn't allow that.
It's not going to happen but if I was Renault I'd be encouraging it. Alonso gets brought up to full race sharpness at someone else's expense.

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Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:57 pm
Strange to realize that by going too fast, Hamilton may have ruined the very slim chances of others who don't have a guaranteed place in the next part of qualifying. I don't know which drivers would have been on an attempt when the red flag was shown, but it is something that doesn't make sense to me.
It's something I've voiced before but where was this same enthusiasm when Bottas brought out the yellow flags basically protecting his pole lap at the opening race and indirectly causing Hamilton to be penalised for not slowing down for the yellow flag that Bottas caused.

That was worse because at least today there was 8 minutes left in Q2 and all drivers were able to do their second laps.
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spiritone wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:43 pm
Never ending crying about stroll. The guy could win the race and we'd have the cryers on here saying "he should have won by more". You all said he'd never beat perez, he beats perez. Yesterday it was Hulk is going to show him. He beats the Hulk. Time to get over it guys. He's got the seat for another year and he's only 21. Racing point needs to do a better job on race strategy to get closer to the top teams.
To be fair I don’t think anyone on here has said they think Hulk would beat Stroll this weekend. I think a lot of the talk on here was about Hulk vs Gutierrez.

I think Stroll will beat Hulk next weekend too, but given a bit of time Hulk would Eventually have the better of him.

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JN23 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:18 pm
spiritone wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:43 pm
Never ending crying about stroll. The guy could win the race and we'd have the cryers on here saying "he should have won by more". You all said he'd never beat perez, he beats perez. Yesterday it was Hulk is going to show him. He beats the Hulk. Time to get over it guys. He's got the seat for another year and he's only 21. Racing point needs to do a better job on race strategy to get closer to the top teams.
To be fair I don’t think anyone on here has said they think Hulk would beat Stroll this weekend. I think a lot of the talk on here was about Hulk vs Gutierrez.

I think Stroll will beat Hulk next weekend too, but given a bit of time Hulk would Eventually have the better of him.
Yeah I have Stroll beating the Hulk on my prediction.
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Zazu wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:27 pm
I can't remember F1 being in a worse state of affairs

Cars completely planted round half the track without needing to brake, Mercedes' dominance worse than ever with teammates who are more likely to be seen giving each other a massage than a fight, Albon and Stroll proving passport/marketability and cash is more important than talent
I think you should give Stroll more of a chance. Don't know what others think, but other than lacking pace on race day in the 2nd race, he's looked pretty strong really given the hate he gets. It is hard to judge. I know he isn't the best, but there is a difference I can see in his driving style. He used to franticly adjust the wheel and shudder like crazy. Now this is a great car, he actually looks comfortable with it. So I honestly think him being closer to Perez and often beating him on merit will be the reality this year. I really do think he's improved.

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I'm of the opinion that Stroll is pretty much the ultimate form of the 'coached' driver. There has to be some latent talent in there for sure, otherwise he would never have gotten as far as he has, and I can only applaud the standard he has reached. However, it seems that when it comes to the absolute ragged edge of finding performance, Stroll does lack somewhat.... I personally feel that he drives the way he has been taught, rather than driving on the seat of his pants like the more naturally gifted drivers do.

This is no doing down on his reputation though, he has done a solid job in F1 since he arrived despite how he got there, and he seems to be pretty reliable at bringing the car home pretty much where it deserves to be, which is an underrated talent.

Could there be better in that seat? Sure. But that isn't how F1 works.

Has he disgraced himself? Not a chance, and I wish him well.
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pokerman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:51 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:57 pm
Strange to realize that by going too fast, Hamilton may have ruined the very slim chances of others who don't have a guaranteed place in the next part of qualifying. I don't know which drivers would have been on an attempt when the red flag was shown, but it is something that doesn't make sense to me.
It's something I've voiced before but where was this same enthusiasm when Bottas brought out the yellow flags basically protecting his pole lap at the opening race and indirectly causing Hamilton to be penalised for not slowing down for the yellow flag that Bottas caused.

That was worse because at least today there was 8 minutes left in Q2 and all drivers were able to do their second laps.
I agree, although I see the loss of tyre performance for those who had started their laps in anger as equally significant to time available.

I'm never enthusiastic about problems with safety, real or perceived. My pulse did go up a few beats on seeing Hamilton spin though. Maybe I'm not entirely lost for the sport. ;-)
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Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:29 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:51 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:57 pm
Strange to realize that by going too fast, Hamilton may have ruined the very slim chances of others who don't have a guaranteed place in the next part of qualifying. I don't know which drivers would have been on an attempt when the red flag was shown, but it is something that doesn't make sense to me.
It's something I've voiced before but where was this same enthusiasm when Bottas brought out the yellow flags basically protecting his pole lap at the opening race and indirectly causing Hamilton to be penalised for not slowing down for the yellow flag that Bottas caused.

That was worse because at least today there was 8 minutes left in Q2 and all drivers were able to do their second laps.
I agree, although I see the loss of tyre performance for those who had started their laps in anger as equally significant to time available.

I'm never enthusiastic about problems with safety, real or perceived. My pulse did go up a few beats on seeing Hamilton spin though. Maybe I'm not entirely lost for the sport. ;-)
The difference is that Poker alludes to Bottas doing it on purpose. I guess we will not find out, but drivers do spin, it happens. We all agree that this is not the best thing obviously, so maybe it is time for a quali rethinking.

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Flash2k11 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:52 pm
I'm of the opinion that Stroll is pretty much the ultimate form of the 'coached' driver. There has to be some latent talent in there for sure, otherwise he would never have gotten as far as he has, and I can only applaud the standard he has reached. However, it seems that when it comes to the absolute ragged edge of finding performance, Stroll does lack somewhat.... I personally feel that he drives the way he has been taught, rather than driving on the seat of his pants like the more naturally gifted drivers do.

This is no doing down on his reputation though, he has done a solid job in F1 since he arrived despite how he got there, and he seems to be pretty reliable at bringing the car home pretty much where it deserves to be, which is an underrated talent.

Could there be better in that seat? Sure. But that isn't how F1 works.

Has he disgraced himself? Not a chance, and I wish him well.
Pretty much sums it up. I thought that Stroll would really embarrass himself going against strong drivers like Perez (and to a point Hulk now), but kudos to him he has done well.

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Russell five-place grid penalty for failing to slow under yellows (Latifi spinning).

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Paolo_Lasardi wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:53 pm
Russell five-place grid penalty for failing to slow under yellows (Latifi spinning).
Bang to rights but can anyone explain to me Hamilton 3 places V Russell 5 places?

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Siao7 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:07 pm
Flash2k11 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:52 pm
I'm of the opinion that Stroll is pretty much the ultimate form of the 'coached' driver. There has to be some latent talent in there for sure, otherwise he would never have gotten as far as he has, and I can only applaud the standard he has reached. However, it seems that when it comes to the absolute ragged edge of finding performance, Stroll does lack somewhat.... I personally feel that he drives the way he has been taught, rather than driving on the seat of his pants like the more naturally gifted drivers do.

This is no doing down on his reputation though, he has done a solid job in F1 since he arrived despite how he got there, and he seems to be pretty reliable at bringing the car home pretty much where it deserves to be, which is an underrated talent.

Could there be better in that seat? Sure. But that isn't how F1 works.

Has he disgraced himself? Not a chance, and I wish him well.
Pretty much sums it up. I thought that Stroll would really embarrass himself going against strong drivers like Perez (and to a point Hulk now), but kudos to him he has done well.

Hasn't he been pretty much consistently beaten by Perez in their time together? Rarely has Stroll looked the better of the 2.

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spiritone wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:43 pm
Never ending crying about stroll. The guy could win the race and we'd have the cryers on here saying "he should have won by more". You all said he'd never beat perez, he beats perez. Yesterday it was Hulk is going to show him. He beats the Hulk. Time to get over it guys. He's got the seat for another year and he's only 21. Racing point needs to do a better job on race strategy to get closer to the top teams.
When he starts beating Perez consistently then come back to me.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:39 pm
Paolo_Lasardi wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:53 pm
Russell five-place grid penalty for failing to slow under yellows (Latifi spinning).
Bang to rights but can anyone explain to me Hamilton 3 places V Russell 5 places?
The reason is apparently that if there double waved yellows then it’s five place, single waved (Hamilton and Verstappen) is three. Apparently it’s in the event notes.

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JN23 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:21 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:39 pm
Paolo_Lasardi wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:53 pm
Russell five-place grid penalty for failing to slow under yellows (Latifi spinning).
Bang to rights but can anyone explain to me Hamilton 3 places V Russell 5 places?
The reason is apparently that if there double waved yellows then it’s five place, single waved (Hamilton and Verstappen) is three. Apparently it’s in the event notes.
In that case fair enough.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:41 pm
Siao7 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:07 pm
Flash2k11 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:52 pm
I'm of the opinion that Stroll is pretty much the ultimate form of the 'coached' driver. There has to be some latent talent in there for sure, otherwise he would never have gotten as far as he has, and I can only applaud the standard he has reached. However, it seems that when it comes to the absolute ragged edge of finding performance, Stroll does lack somewhat.... I personally feel that he drives the way he has been taught, rather than driving on the seat of his pants like the more naturally gifted drivers do.

This is no doing down on his reputation though, he has done a solid job in F1 since he arrived despite how he got there, and he seems to be pretty reliable at bringing the car home pretty much where it deserves to be, which is an underrated talent.

Could there be better in that seat? Sure. But that isn't how F1 works.

Has he disgraced himself? Not a chance, and I wish him well.
Pretty much sums it up. I thought that Stroll would really embarrass himself going against strong drivers like Perez (and to a point Hulk now), but kudos to him he has done well.

Hasn't he been pretty much consistently beaten by Perez in their time together? Rarely has Stroll looked the better of the 2.
I personally thought he would be destroyed, but I do not think he has.

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Not just because his tally of all time poles, but because he always manages to find a way to get that lap time, many times in unlikely and at limit situations, Hamilton is for me the undisputed all time best qualifier, hands down.

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Bacus wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:31 am
Not just because his tally of all time poles, but because he always manages to find a way to get that lap time, many times in unlikely and at limit situations, Hamilton is for me the undisputed all time best qualifier, hands down.
He's the best in the non Senna division.

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Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:29 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:51 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:57 pm
Strange to realize that by going too fast, Hamilton may have ruined the very slim chances of others who don't have a guaranteed place in the next part of qualifying. I don't know which drivers would have been on an attempt when the red flag was shown, but it is something that doesn't make sense to me.
It's something I've voiced before but where was this same enthusiasm when Bottas brought out the yellow flags basically protecting his pole lap at the opening race and indirectly causing Hamilton to be penalised for not slowing down for the yellow flag that Bottas caused.

That was worse because at least today there was 8 minutes left in Q2 and all drivers were able to do their second laps.
I agree, although I see the loss of tyre performance for those who had started their laps in anger as equally significant to time available.

I'm never enthusiastic about problems with safety, real or perceived. My pulse did go up a few beats on seeing Hamilton spin though. Maybe I'm not entirely lost for the sport. ;-)
The drivers put fresh tyres on for their second runs.
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Siao7 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:05 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:29 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:51 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:57 pm
Strange to realize that by going too fast, Hamilton may have ruined the very slim chances of others who don't have a guaranteed place in the next part of qualifying. I don't know which drivers would have been on an attempt when the red flag was shown, but it is something that doesn't make sense to me.
It's something I've voiced before but where was this same enthusiasm when Bottas brought out the yellow flags basically protecting his pole lap at the opening race and indirectly causing Hamilton to be penalised for not slowing down for the yellow flag that Bottas caused.

That was worse because at least today there was 8 minutes left in Q2 and all drivers were able to do their second laps.
I agree, although I see the loss of tyre performance for those who had started their laps in anger as equally significant to time available.

I'm never enthusiastic about problems with safety, real or perceived. My pulse did go up a few beats on seeing Hamilton spin though. Maybe I'm not entirely lost for the sport. ;-)
The difference is that Poker alludes to Bottas doing it on purpose. I guess we will not find out, but drivers do spin, it happens. We all agree that this is not the best thing obviously, so maybe it is time for a quali rethinking.
No I'm not believing he did it on purpose but he gained fom it, with Hamilton he didn't gain personally by spinning.

A simplistic way of policing it I believe would be the Indycar method of losing your best lap time.
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Siao7 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:05 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:29 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:51 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:57 pm
Strange to realize that by going too fast, Hamilton may have ruined the very slim chances of others who don't have a guaranteed place in the next part of qualifying. I don't know which drivers would have been on an attempt when the red flag was shown, but it is something that doesn't make sense to me.
It's something I've voiced before but where was this same enthusiasm when Bottas brought out the yellow flags basically protecting his pole lap at the opening race and indirectly causing Hamilton to be penalised for not slowing down for the yellow flag that Bottas caused.

That was worse because at least today there was 8 minutes left in Q2 and all drivers were able to do their second laps.
I agree, although I see the loss of tyre performance for those who had started their laps in anger as equally significant to time available.

I'm never enthusiastic about problems with safety, real or perceived. My pulse did go up a few beats on seeing Hamilton spin though. Maybe I'm not entirely lost for the sport. ;-)
The difference is that Poker alludes to Bottas doing it on purpose. I guess we will not find out, but drivers do spin, it happens. We all agree that this is not the best thing obviously, so maybe it is time for a quali rethinking.
It's a bit sad someone might think he did.
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Fiki wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:41 am
Siao7 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:05 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:29 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:51 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:57 pm
Strange to realize that by going too fast, Hamilton may have ruined the very slim chances of others who don't have a guaranteed place in the next part of qualifying. I don't know which drivers would have been on an attempt when the red flag was shown, but it is something that doesn't make sense to me.
It's something I've voiced before but where was this same enthusiasm when Bottas brought out the yellow flags basically protecting his pole lap at the opening race and indirectly causing Hamilton to be penalised for not slowing down for the yellow flag that Bottas caused.

That was worse because at least today there was 8 minutes left in Q2 and all drivers were able to do their second laps.
I agree, although I see the loss of tyre performance for those who had started their laps in anger as equally significant to time available.

I'm never enthusiastic about problems with safety, real or perceived. My pulse did go up a few beats on seeing Hamilton spin though. Maybe I'm not entirely lost for the sport. ;-)
The difference is that Poker alludes to Bottas doing it on purpose. I guess we will not find out, but drivers do spin, it happens. We all agree that this is not the best thing obviously, so maybe it is time for a quali rethinking.
It's a bit sad someone might think he did.
If that was true in my case.
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pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:11 am
Siao7 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:05 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:29 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:51 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:57 pm
Strange to realize that by going too fast, Hamilton may have ruined the very slim chances of others who don't have a guaranteed place in the next part of qualifying. I don't know which drivers would have been on an attempt when the red flag was shown, but it is something that doesn't make sense to me.
It's something I've voiced before but where was this same enthusiasm when Bottas brought out the yellow flags basically protecting his pole lap at the opening race and indirectly causing Hamilton to be penalised for not slowing down for the yellow flag that Bottas caused.

That was worse because at least today there was 8 minutes left in Q2 and all drivers were able to do their second laps.
I agree, although I see the loss of tyre performance for those who had started their laps in anger as equally significant to time available.

I'm never enthusiastic about problems with safety, real or perceived. My pulse did go up a few beats on seeing Hamilton spin though. Maybe I'm not entirely lost for the sport. ;-)
The difference is that Poker alludes to Bottas doing it on purpose. I guess we will not find out, but drivers do spin, it happens. We all agree that this is not the best thing obviously, so maybe it is time for a quali rethinking.
No I'm not believing he did it on purpose but he gained fom it, with Hamilton he didn't gain personally by spinning.

A simplistic way of policing it I believe would be the Indycar method of losing your best lap time.
I read that wrong then, I stand corrected. But when you said that Bottas "brought the flags basically protecting his pole" his lap, you can see how that can be read differently.

I am not sure that Bottas gained something, rather didn't lose his pole, which is arguably not a 100% certainty that he would have. I do not believe someone should be penalised every time they cause a yellow flag in Quali, only if it is on purpose should they be penalised.

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Glad I can log in today as it didn't recognise me for last 2 days (forum tech guys - what's happening?)

Why wasn't ferrari unsafe release addressed from qualifying - I've seen nothing but it appeared clear - just wanting to be informed

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F1Oz wrote:
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Glad I can log in today as it didn't recognise me for last 2 days (forum tech guys - what's happening?)

Why wasn't ferrari unsafe release addressed from qualifying - I've seen nothing but it appeared clear - just wanting to be informed
Silverstone as a double width pitlane so you're allowed to release cars side by side.

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Siao7 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:45 am
pokerman wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:11 am
Siao7 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:05 pm
Fiki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:29 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:51 pm

It's something I've voiced before but where was this same enthusiasm when Bottas brought out the yellow flags basically protecting his pole lap at the opening race and indirectly causing Hamilton to be penalised for not slowing down for the yellow flag that Bottas caused.

That was worse because at least today there was 8 minutes left in Q2 and all drivers were able to do their second laps.
I agree, although I see the loss of tyre performance for those who had started their laps in anger as equally significant to time available.

I'm never enthusiastic about problems with safety, real or perceived. My pulse did go up a few beats on seeing Hamilton spin though. Maybe I'm not entirely lost for the sport. ;-)
The difference is that Poker alludes to Bottas doing it on purpose. I guess we will not find out, but drivers do spin, it happens. We all agree that this is not the best thing obviously, so maybe it is time for a quali rethinking.
No I'm not believing he did it on purpose but he gained fom it, with Hamilton he didn't gain personally by spinning.

A simplistic way of policing it I believe would be the Indycar method of losing your best lap time.
I read that wrong then, I stand corrected. But when you said that Bottas "brought the flags basically protecting his pole" his lap, you can see how that can be read differently.

I am not sure that Bottas gained something, rather didn't lose his pole, which is arguably not a 100% certainty that he would have. I do not believe someone should be penalised every time they cause a yellow flag in Quali, only if it is on purpose should they be penalised.
It's very hard to prove if a driver has done something like that on purpose.
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