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Verstappen33 wrote:He is of course the best. If you win you are.
But would he really think he is the best knowing other young guy's would challenge / beat him in different cars? If all the cars he drove were championship cars, it's hard to imagine he will not think he is the best even though the material was the best.

Something needs to change big time.

DFWdude wrote:

Verstappen33 wrote:He is of course the best. If you win you are.
But would he really think he is the best knowing other young guy's would challenge / beat him in different cars? If all the cars he drove were championship cars, it's hard to imagine he will not think he is the best even though the material was the best.

Something needs to change big time.

Really? The question you pose has been the question since 1950. Nothing has changed, and why should it? F1 is a technology series first... not really a driver series.

If you want to see drivers competing in the same cars, try watching American Indycar. The chassis are identical. Only a couple choices of engines.

Watching an Indycar race is like watching grass grow... COTA lap times in an F1 car shatter the lap times in an Indycar by 20 seconds a lap. Worse, the grandstands at any typical Indycar race are nearly as empty BEFORE the Covid-19 crisis as after the pandemic began. This shows that fans are not really interested in watching the best drivers compete in equal cars.

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

DFWdude wrote:

Verstappen33 wrote:He is of course the best. If you win you are.
But would he really think he is the best knowing other young guy's would challenge / beat him in different cars? If all the cars he drove were championship cars, it's hard to imagine he will not think he is the best even though the material was the best.

Something needs to change big time.

Really? The question you pose has been the question since 1950. Nothing has changed, and why should it? F1 is a technology series first... not really a driver series.

If you want to see drivers competing in the same cars, try watching American Indycar. The chassis are identical. Only a couple choices of engines.

Watching an Indycar race is like watching grass grow... COTA lap times in an F1 car shatter the lap times in an Indycar by 20 seconds a lap. Worse, the grandstands at any typical Indycar race are nearly as empty BEFORE the Covid-19 crisis as after the pandemic began. This shows that fans are not really interested in watching the best drivers compete in equal cars.

I dont watch a lot of IndyCar but I caught the Road America race last night and I have to say it was really impressive. Overall it was a better race to watch than the F1 IMO, and it's not like the GP was a particularly boring race either.

I dont know if its camera angles, or the track being bumpy but the cars looked so much more alive, and frankly faster, than F1. IndyCar have a much better way of conveying speed to the audience IMO, likely their use of camera angles playing a big role.

I'd put money on it that if you showed people with no racing knowledge at all the raw footage of the IndyCar and F1 races from yesterday and asked them which cars were faster, most would guess IndyCar. Something F1 should really look at to work out how to improve their coverage.

Option or Prime wrote:Hamilton is clearly the best driver in the best car. Which makes the main difference. Bottas as no 1 wouldn't win all the races in a season.

Hamilton's qualifying in the wet was a lesson to the other drivers, Horner saying Max would have been 0.3 sec of if he hadn't spun was a joke.
Even 0.3 sec is a big margin but why didn't he set that time then, because he was going backwards.

I was warming to Max but I'm getting a bit fed up of the moaning now. As for Horner why couldn't he just recognise a stunning lap?

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

DFWdude wrote:

Verstappen33 wrote:He is of course the best. If you win you are.
But would he really think he is the best knowing other young guy's would challenge / beat him in different cars? If all the cars he drove were championship cars, it's hard to imagine he will not think he is the best even though the material was the best.

Something needs to change big time.

Really? The question you pose has been the question since 1950. Nothing has changed, and why should it? F1 is a technology series first... not really a driver series.

If you want to see drivers competing in the same cars, try watching American Indycar. The chassis are identical. Only a couple choices of engines.

Watching an Indycar race is like watching grass grow... COTA lap times in an F1 car shatter the lap times in an Indycar by 20 seconds a lap. Worse, the grandstands at any typical Indycar race are nearly as empty BEFORE the Covid-19 crisis as after the pandemic began. This shows that fans are not really interested in watching the best drivers compete in equal cars.

I dont watch a lot of IndyCar but I caught the Road America race last night and I have to say it was really impressive. Overall it was a better race to watch than the F1 IMO, and it's not like the GP was a particularly boring race either.

I dont know if its camera angles, or the track being bumpy but the cars looked so much more alive, and frankly faster, than F1. IndyCar have a much better way of conveying speed to the audience IMO, likely their use of camera angles playing a big role.

I'd put money on it that if you showed people with no racing knowledge at all the raw footage of the IndyCar and F1 races from yesterday and asked them which cars were faster, most would guess IndyCar. Something F1 should really look at to work out how to improve their coverage.

BMWSauber84 wrote:

pokerman wrote:

BMWSauber84 wrote:

pokerman wrote:

BMWSauber84 wrote:Verstappen might be in luck today (reliability pending). I suspect Hamilton may have quite a draggy setup.

...to explain his wet pole lap?

Yes, although that theory was pretty conclusively negated by the race.

Fair enough, so now you're a believer?

Haha, always have been. But that gap to Bottas' was astronomical.

Verstappen33 wrote:This race wasn't the best race unfortunately. We can conclude Mercedes will win the title again in 2020. The drivers are good but the team is so good that the drivers don't matter that much anymore. Put Russel in the car and he will challenge Hamilton for that Mercedes championship. It is a great drive from Hamilton but havibg the best car makes all the difference. No need to push the car beyond it's capabilities like the rest of the field has to do in order to gain a posistion but risking a lot while doing so. It's a mechanical sport of course but it's starting to be a bit silly hearing Toto talk. That car can gain more speed when needed. They are light years ahead. So good job from Mercedes. I guess the two drivers don't care. They have their mini championship. Hamilton knows he can beat Bottas. (He wasn't that much of a fight for Massa at Williams) so another title to his name.

He is of course the best. If you win you are.
But would he really think he is the best knowing other young guy's would challenge / beat him in different cars?
If all the cars he drove were championship cars, it's hard to imagine he will not think he is the best even though the material was the best.


Something needs to change big time.

Option or Prime wrote:Hamilton is clearly the best driver in the best car. Which makes the main difference. Bottas as no 1 wouldn't win all the races in a season.

Hamilton's qualifying in the wet was a lesson to the other drivers, Horner saying Max would have been 0.3 sec of if he hadn't spun was a joke.
Even 0.3 sec is a big margin but why didn't he set that time then, because he was going backwards.

I was warming to Max but I'm getting a bit fed up of the moaning now. As for Horner why couldn't he just recognise a stunning lap?

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

DFWdude wrote:

Verstappen33 wrote:He is of course the best. If you win you are.
But would he really think he is the best knowing other young guy's would challenge / beat him in different cars? If all the cars he drove were championship cars, it's hard to imagine he will not think he is the best even though the material was the best.

Something needs to change big time.

Really? The question you pose has been the question since 1950. Nothing has changed, and why should it? F1 is a technology series first... not really a driver series.

If you want to see drivers competing in the same cars, try watching American Indycar. The chassis are identical. Only a couple choices of engines.

Watching an Indycar race is like watching grass grow... COTA lap times in an F1 car shatter the lap times in an Indycar by 20 seconds a lap. Worse, the grandstands at any typical Indycar race are nearly as empty BEFORE the Covid-19 crisis as after the pandemic began. This shows that fans are not really interested in watching the best drivers compete in equal cars.

I dont watch a lot of IndyCar but I caught the Road America race last night and I have to say it was really impressive. Overall it was a better race to watch than the F1 IMO, and it's not like the GP was a particularly boring race either.

I dont know if its camera angles, or the track being bumpy but the cars looked so much more alive, and frankly faster, than F1. IndyCar have a much better way of conveying speed to the audience IMO, likely their use of camera angles playing a big role.

I'd put money on it that if you showed people with no racing knowledge at all the raw footage of the IndyCar and F1 races from yesterday and asked them which cars were faster, most would guess IndyCar. Something F1 should really look at to work out how to improve their coverage.

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

DFWdude wrote:

Verstappen33 wrote:He is of course the best. If you win you are.
But would he really think he is the best knowing other young guy's would challenge / beat him in different cars? If all the cars he drove were championship cars, it's hard to imagine he will not think he is the best even though the material was the best.

Something needs to change big time.

Really? The question you pose has been the question since 1950. Nothing has changed, and why should it? F1 is a technology series first... not really a driver series.

If you want to see drivers competing in the same cars, try watching American Indycar. The chassis are identical. Only a couple choices of engines.

Watching an Indycar race is like watching grass grow... COTA lap times in an F1 car shatter the lap times in an Indycar by 20 seconds a lap. Worse, the grandstands at any typical Indycar race are nearly as empty BEFORE the Covid-19 crisis as after the pandemic began. This shows that fans are not really interested in watching the best drivers compete in equal cars.

I dont watch a lot of IndyCar but I caught the Road America race last night and I have to say it was really impressive. Overall it was a better race to watch than the F1 IMO, and it's not like the GP was a particularly boring race either.

I dont know if its camera angles, or the track being bumpy but the cars looked so much more alive, and frankly faster, than F1. IndyCar have a much better way of conveying speed to the audience IMO, likely their use of camera angles playing a big role.

I'd put money on it that if you showed people with no racing knowledge at all the raw footage of the IndyCar and F1 races from yesterday and asked them which cars were faster, most would guess IndyCar. Something F1 should really look at to work out how to improve their coverage.