Is the Ferrari engine the weakest on the grid right now?

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Is the Ferrari engine the weakest on the grid right now?

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Looking at the performance of Ferrari down the straights in Austria, it was clear they were missing straightline speed - which they said was down to their new aero being draggy. However, it wasn't just them - Haas and Alfa Romeo were also suffering down the straights.

Now this could either be due to the fact that they share some parts with Ferrari (and perhaps have to go down the same aero philosophy), or that Ferrari have effectively lost a year or two of development on their engine due to the whole saga last year.

While it could also be a combination of the two, I'm inclined to think it's the latter - their engine seems to be woefully down on performance, and the lack of any gains in cornering makes the whole "we have too much downforce" excuse a little unbelievable.

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Possible, but as it's well reported that their aero is rather screwed at the moment, who knows how they were having to compensate by increasing drag on the straights in order to provide some level of grip and stability is corners and braking zones?
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Pretty sure it is, yes.
Asphalt_World wrote:Possible, but as it's well reported that their aero is rather screwed at the moment, who knows how they were having to compensate by increasing drag on the straights in order to provide some level of grip and stability is corners and braking zones?
I doubt that all of their customer teams are doing that. If you look at which teams are slower this year compared to last, it's Ferrari, Haas and Alfa Romeo (plus Red Bull, but only by a tiny amount).
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I agree that the engine is clearly down on power, just not sure we can tell exactly how much as yet.
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I think it’s a bit of both, however the fact that Haas lost less time than Ferrari suggests that Haas has improved its aero but then been really hit by the engine having less power.

This is assuming that the Ferrari aero didn’t change that much, and with the regulations not changing excessively I don’t believe Ferrari’s aero woes are anywhere close to what they’re claiming

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The straight line figures compared to Austria last year are astonishing. A good video on it. Austria was a year ago too and not even the final spec of the 2019 engine.

Ferrari were almost certainly doing some trickery the last two years.

https://youtu.be/Gdoxyq-wx0g

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Johnson wrote:The straight line figures compared to Austria last year are astonishing. A good video on it. Austria was a year ago too and not even the final spec of the 2019 engine.

Ferrari were almost certainly doing some trickery the last two years.

https://youtu.be/Gdoxyq-wx0g
This is a great video to illustrate this, thanks.

While I think everyone agrees on the trickery, I suspect they have also lost a year or two of development due to this. Sadly for Ferrari fans, I suspect the Hungary update isn't going to bring anything more than maybe making them a bit more competitive against the midfield.

Heard the Merc engineering head moved on - if I were Ferrari I would be throwing all my money saved from Vettel at him and Aldo Costa.

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Yes that’s a very good point, they maybe threw all there power unit development into things that they can no longer use. So what they are left with is way behind even a Renault Power unit now. That really would be something if that is the case.

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Johnson wrote:Yes that’s a very good point, they maybe threw all there power unit development into things that they can no longer use. So what they are left with is way behind even a Renault Power unit now. That really would be something if that is the case.
That seems a nice way of saying power unit develpment.
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Seems as though Ferrari have conceded they won't be competitive until 2020 and cited the 20 years in the wilderness before Jean Todt had his run of success. Bleak times for the 'Tifosi' :-(( .

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Option or Prime wrote:Seems as though Ferrari have conceded they won't be competitive until 2020 and cited the 20 years in the wilderness before Jean Todt had his run of success. Bleak times for the 'Tifosi' :-(( .
2022 that is. Yes, sad times

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Obviously they should be concentrating on 2022 but does anyone have confidence in them getting it right? They currently have one of the, if not the, the biggest budgets in F1 and they can’t get it right. With the budget cap it’s only going to become harder for them.

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They basically have done no engine development these past 2 years and sought other means of finding performance.
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pokerman wrote:They basically have done no engine development these past 2 years and sought other means of finding performance.
Unless you have proof, you can't really say this...

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Siao7 wrote:
pokerman wrote:They basically have done no engine development these past 2 years and sought other means of finding performance.
Unless you have proof, you can't really say this...
Is the proof not in the pudding?
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pokerman wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
pokerman wrote:They basically have done no engine development these past 2 years and sought other means of finding performance.
Unless you have proof, you can't really say this...
Is the proof not in the pudding?
Very valid excuse...

So you know 100% that they have done 0 engine development for 2 years and only relied on cheating to best the Merc?

Ok then

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Siao7 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
pokerman wrote:They basically have done no engine development these past 2 years and sought other means of finding performance.
Unless you have proof, you can't really say this...
Is the proof not in the pudding?
Very valid excuse...

So you know 100% that they have done 0 engine development for 2 years and only relied on cheating to best the Merc?

Ok then
What actual development have they done to now have the weakest engine on the grid, I believe that Renault have only done reliability upgrades for this year but have a better engine than Ferrari, I also believe it's not remiss to say that Ferrari are now 2 years behind in development and have even said themselves that they will not win a race before 2022.
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The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If, when eating it, you find the proof in the pudding, it means Ferrari's caterer was to blame! Shame on him/her/it!
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Ferrari clearly have aero problems as well, but I'd say that the lessened performance of all of the Ferrari customer teams certainly implies that the Ferrari engine is down on power - at least relative to the Mercedes engine. It's harder to say were it is compared to Renault or Honda, but if I had to guess I'd say if it is still ahead of those two it's not by much.
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The BBC has an interview with the Ferrari (F1 ???) Chairman John Elkann ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53564603

An interesting extract ;

"This year we are not competitive because of car design errors," Elkann said.

"We have had a series of structural weaknesses that have existed for some time in the aerodynamics and dynamics of the vehicle. We have also lost in engine power.

"The reality is that our car is not competitive. You saw it on the track and you will see it again."


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So they admit the loss of engine power ! ! ! ! !

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Greenman wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:46 am
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The BBC has an interview with the Ferrari (F1 ???) Chairman John Elkann ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53564603

An interesting extract ;

"This year we are not competitive because of car design errors," Elkann said.

"We have had a series of structural weaknesses that have existed for some time in the aerodynamics and dynamics of the vehicle. We have also lost in engine power.

"The reality is that our car is not competitive. You saw it on the track and you will see it again."


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So they admit the loss of engine power ! ! ! ! !

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Yes, Binoto has also mentioned this before. But they also have said that with the Covid outbreak the Ferrari plant was shut and they lost the development window. Renault had the same issue, they lost engine development time because of the Covid outbreak. So both of them are now stuck, as the engines are frozen for the year.

It is also worth mentioning that Honda was still allowed to develop their engine, part of a loophole they explored.

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Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:05 am
Greenman wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:46 am
.

The BBC has an interview with the Ferrari (F1 ???) Chairman John Elkann ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53564603

An interesting extract ;

"This year we are not competitive because of car design errors," Elkann said.

"We have had a series of structural weaknesses that have existed for some time in the aerodynamics and dynamics of the vehicle. We have also lost in engine power.

"The reality is that our car is not competitive. You saw it on the track and you will see it again."


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So they admit the loss of engine power ! ! ! ! !

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Yes, Binoto has also mentioned this before. But they also have said that with the Covid outbreak the Ferrari plant was shut and they lost the development window. Renault had the same issue, they lost engine development time because of the Covid outbreak. So both of them are now stuck, as the engines are frozen for the year.

It is also worth mentioning that Honda was still allowed to develop their engine, part of a loophole they explored.
What did Ferrari actually need to develop?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-e ... lk_of_town
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pokerman wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:35 pm
Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:05 am
Greenman wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:46 am
.

The BBC has an interview with the Ferrari (F1 ???) Chairman John Elkann ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53564603

An interesting extract ;

"This year we are not competitive because of car design errors," Elkann said.

"We have had a series of structural weaknesses that have existed for some time in the aerodynamics and dynamics of the vehicle. We have also lost in engine power.

"The reality is that our car is not competitive. You saw it on the track and you will see it again."


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So they admit the loss of engine power ! ! ! ! !

.
Yes, Binoto has also mentioned this before. But they also have said that with the Covid outbreak the Ferrari plant was shut and they lost the development window. Renault had the same issue, they lost engine development time because of the Covid outbreak. So both of them are now stuck, as the engines are frozen for the year.

It is also worth mentioning that Honda was still allowed to develop their engine, part of a loophole they explored.
What did Ferrari actually need to develop?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-e ... lk_of_town
Are you having a laugh? So teams do not need to develop the cars? Interesting approach, I guess teams never need to get better, they can just wait for the others to catch up...

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Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:05 am
Greenman wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:46 am
.

The BBC has an interview with the Ferrari (F1 ???) Chairman John Elkann ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53564603

An interesting extract ;

"This year we are not competitive because of car design errors," Elkann said.

"We have had a series of structural weaknesses that have existed for some time in the aerodynamics and dynamics of the vehicle. We have also lost in engine power.

"The reality is that our car is not competitive. You saw it on the track and you will see it again."


----------------------------

So they admit the loss of engine power ! ! ! ! !

.
Yes, Binoto has also mentioned this before. But they also have said that with the Covid outbreak the Ferrari plant was shut and they lost the development window. Renault had the same issue, they lost engine development time because of the Covid outbreak. So both of them are now stuck, as the engines are frozen for the year.

It is also worth mentioning that Honda was still allowed to develop their engine, part of a loophole they explored.
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You seem to be deliberately misinterpreting what he said !

He said : We have also lost in engine power

That has nothing to do with development, it is a loss from where they were.

THAT is (as far as we know) only down to the FIA telling Ferrari to stop doing what they were doing. The FIA cannot tell them to stop doing something legal, they can only stop Ferrari from doing something illegal or definitely questionable.

You do like squirming (on behalf of Ferrari), but that simple statement says that Ferrari were doing something wrong which falsely gave them extra engine power.

I await your attempt to rewrite history.

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Greenman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:58 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:05 am
Greenman wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:46 am
.

The BBC has an interview with the Ferrari (F1 ???) Chairman John Elkann ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53564603

An interesting extract ;

"This year we are not competitive because of car design errors," Elkann said.

"We have had a series of structural weaknesses that have existed for some time in the aerodynamics and dynamics of the vehicle. We have also lost in engine power.

"The reality is that our car is not competitive. You saw it on the track and you will see it again."


----------------------------

So they admit the loss of engine power ! ! ! ! !

.
Yes, Binoto has also mentioned this before. But they also have said that with the Covid outbreak the Ferrari plant was shut and they lost the development window. Renault had the same issue, they lost engine development time because of the Covid outbreak. So both of them are now stuck, as the engines are frozen for the year.

It is also worth mentioning that Honda was still allowed to develop their engine, part of a loophole they explored.
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You seem to be deliberately misinterpreting what he said !

He said : We have also lost in engine power

That has nothing to do with development, it is a loss from where they were.

THAT is (as far as we know) only down to the FIA telling Ferrari to stop doing what they were doing. The FIA cannot tell them to stop doing something legal, they can only stop Ferrari from doing something illegal or definitely questionable.

You do like squirming (on behalf of Ferrari), but that simple statement says that Ferrari were doing something wrong which falsely gave them extra engine power.

I await your attempt to rewrite history.

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Really? Can you please read carefully next time? Ferrari have mentioned that they were exploring another direction with the engine, as a result of the TD that the FIA has issued. They had a few "Ronspeak" interviews that they "explained" it. Do I have to explain what "Ronspeak" is or are we fine with that?

The fact doesn't change that the Covid outbreak stopped them right in the middle of changing the engine, is that very difficult to understand? So yeah, by the sound of it they were stopped from developing something they've been working on, can't blame them or anyone else really.

Since you are evidently following my posts, you may remember that even as a Ferrari fan (you were right in something, kudos to you for once) I have mentioned before that the whole thing sounds dodgy as f*ck, but we still do not know the specifics, so there's that, I'll hold the pitchfork before we know the whole story. Otherwise they would have been banned already, so the most obvious theory is that they were doing something that it wasn't exactly illegal, nor entirely legal either. Remember the Benetton story? We've been through the whole round of the Ferrari engines saga, not really interested to go through that again.

So you can kindly stop the butthurt act and try to read more carefully next time. I'll wait from my side too.

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So, you somehow claim, that instead of using last season's engine they chose to use a worse one !

That is very self-sacrificing of them (there are other words).

NO ONE is forcing Ferrari to use a worse engine UNLESS they cannot do so in accordance with the regulations.

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Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:40 pm
pokerman wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:35 pm
Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:05 am
Greenman wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:46 am
.

The BBC has an interview with the Ferrari (F1 ???) Chairman John Elkann ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53564603

An interesting extract ;

"This year we are not competitive because of car design errors," Elkann said.

"We have had a series of structural weaknesses that have existed for some time in the aerodynamics and dynamics of the vehicle. We have also lost in engine power.

"The reality is that our car is not competitive. You saw it on the track and you will see it again."


----------------------------

So they admit the loss of engine power ! ! ! ! !

.
Yes, Binoto has also mentioned this before. But they also have said that with the Covid outbreak the Ferrari plant was shut and they lost the development window. Renault had the same issue, they lost engine development time because of the Covid outbreak. So both of them are now stuck, as the engines are frozen for the year.

It is also worth mentioning that Honda was still allowed to develop their engine, part of a loophole they explored.
What did Ferrari actually need to develop?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-e ... lk_of_town
Are you having a laugh? So teams do not need to develop the cars? Interesting approach, I guess teams never need to get better, they can just wait for the others to catch up...
Clearly we are talking about engines, why did Ferrari need to devlop a worse engine?
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Greenman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:57 pm
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So, you somehow claim, that instead of using last season's engine they chose to use a worse one !

That is very self-sacrificing of them (there are other words).

NO ONE is forcing Ferrari to use a worse engine UNLESS they cannot do so in accordance with the regulations.

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First I'll apologise as I re-read my message and it was worded quite strongly.

Now I think that you missed the part that they had to change the engine direction because of the TD's that the FIA issued. Not regulations, TD's. Anyway, they couldn't use last year's engine, could they? After the "clarifications" from the FIA.

Binotto also mentioned that other teams had to make changes too, just that Ferrari probably suffered the most. It is really simple, not sure what you are arguing at the moment. My post was quite clear, so I think I'll leave this here, it is getting tiring

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pokerman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:45 pm
Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:40 pm
pokerman wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:35 pm
Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:05 am
Greenman wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:46 am
.

The BBC has an interview with the Ferrari (F1 ???) Chairman John Elkann ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53564603

An interesting extract ;

"This year we are not competitive because of car design errors," Elkann said.

"We have had a series of structural weaknesses that have existed for some time in the aerodynamics and dynamics of the vehicle. We have also lost in engine power.

"The reality is that our car is not competitive. You saw it on the track and you will see it again."


----------------------------

So they admit the loss of engine power ! ! ! ! !

.
Yes, Binoto has also mentioned this before. But they also have said that with the Covid outbreak the Ferrari plant was shut and they lost the development window. Renault had the same issue, they lost engine development time because of the Covid outbreak. So both of them are now stuck, as the engines are frozen for the year.

It is also worth mentioning that Honda was still allowed to develop their engine, part of a loophole they explored.
What did Ferrari actually need to develop?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-e ... lk_of_town
Are you having a laugh? So teams do not need to develop the cars? Interesting approach, I guess teams never need to get better, they can just wait for the others to catch up...
Clearly we are talking about engines, why did Ferrari need to devlop a worse engine?
Don't worry about it Poker, not worth it.

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Siao7 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:49 pm
Greenman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:57 pm
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So, you somehow claim, that instead of using last season's engine they chose to use a worse one !

That is very self-sacrificing of them (there are other words).

NO ONE is forcing Ferrari to use a worse engine UNLESS they cannot do so in accordance with the regulations.

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First I'll apologise as I re-read my message and it was worded quite strongly.

Now I think that you missed the part that they had to change the engine direction because of the TD's that the FIA issued. Not regulations, TD's. Anyway, they couldn't use last year's engine, could they? After the "clarifications" from the FIA.

Binotto also mentioned that other teams had to make changes too, just that Ferrari probably suffered the most. It is really simple, not sure what you are arguing at the moment. My post was quite clear, so I think I'll leave this here, it is getting tiring
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So, Ferrari lost engine power (on last year's unit) because it broke the technical directives - and cannot reproduce that power in a legal/directive compliant form this year.

IF the engine was anywhere near compliant then there would be no problem to "develop" an as powerful compliant engine for this year, but no, Ferrari were obviously rather further away from having a compliant engine than many Ferrari fans claim.

It rather shows that Ferrari should have had their early/mid-season points removed for breaking the technical directives.

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Siao7 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:49 pm
Greenman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:57 pm
.

So, you somehow claim, that instead of using last season's engine they chose to use a worse one !

That is very self-sacrificing of them (there are other words).

NO ONE is forcing Ferrari to use a worse engine UNLESS they cannot do so in accordance with the regulations.

.
First I'll apologise as I re-read my message and it was worded quite strongly.

Now I think that you missed the part that they had to change the engine direction because of the TD's that the FIA issued. Not regulations, TD's. Anyway, they couldn't use last year's engine, could they? After the "clarifications" from the FIA.

Binotto also mentioned that other teams had to make changes too, just that Ferrari probably suffered the most. It is really simple, not sure what you are arguing at the moment. My post was quite clear, so I think I'll leave this here, it is getting tiring
Here's what people think of what Binotto said.

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Siao7
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Re: Is the Ferrari engine the weakest on the grid right now?

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Blake wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:02 pm
it,s good to see that the forum is still the same old friendly, inviting place.
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