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Well, what do we make of this?

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Water is wet, Popes defecate in woods, Alonsos return to Renault :)

Happy to see him back. I still think he's one of the best and I like to see the best driving an F1 car.
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Good to see him come back before he finally gets too old, maybe it also helped seeing Ocon getting totally owned by Ricciardo so he's maybe not a threat.

I guess this leaves Vettel high and dry though?
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I've never been more in for anything more. Roll on 2021!
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I don't believe Alonso is anything like as good as he once was. I personally thought his attitude and disrespect for McLaren honda was not awful. And in those years, we don't really have much evidence to suggest how good he was There wasn't a great difference between him and button (who was past his best) and then he was against Vandoorne who really was underwhelming. He did have a few (although not many) poor judgements. 2 being close together at the end of 2015 and start of 2016.

I think he will be better than a lot of current drivers, but I don't think i would confirm him as a top level driver until he proves that over a season. And he could prove me wrong.

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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I've never been more in for anything more. Roll on 2021!
I'm hoping it's a 2 year deal, give him a year to get back into the groove and working with the team before the big regulation change.

Either way it will be good to have him back on the grid.

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pokerman wrote:Good to see him come back before he finally gets too old, maybe it also helped seeing Ocon getting totally owned by Ricciardo so he's maybe not a threat.

I guess this leaves Vettel high and dry though?
Jesus Poker, it’s been one weekend. Give Ocon a bit of time, he hasn’t drove an F1 car competitively in over 18 months.

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I really, really, really don't get it from Alonso's perspective. He quit the first time round because he didn't want to roll around in midfield.... and he's coming back to join a team that is behind the team he left in the midfield pecking order. I guess this means Vettel's race is run in F1, unless Lance calls it a career at the end of the year and Vettel joins AM.

We shall see.
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Flash2k11 wrote:I really, really, really don't get it from Alonso's perspective. He quit the first time round because he didn't want to roll around in midfield.... and he's coming back to join a team that is behind the team he left in the midfield pecking order. I guess this means Vettel's race is run in F1, unless Lance calls it a career at the end of the year and Vettel joins AM.

We shall see.
BIB: From Alonso's perspective, I think it's a no brainer.

Worst case scenario, Renault are in the lower midfield both in 2020 and again when the regulations change for 2021. So he pockets a nice chunk of change (I'm sure he'll be getting upwards of 10m a season) and walks away at the end of 2021. Knowing Alonso he'll drag the car to places Ocon can't so his reputation will remain intact, if not slightly enhanced due to the 'Alonso outperforming the car' narrative.

Best case scenario, Renault finally get it right and are near to (or even at) the front in 2021. Alonso gets more podiums, wins and perhaps even another shot at the title. It justifies his return and a year in the midfield in 2020, and perhaps even extends his return beyond 2021. Again, he'd be ahead of Ocon so his reputation will be enhanced, and he'll get to drive off into F1 retirement another 20m, maybe 30m richer.
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:I don't believe Alonso is anything like as good as he once was. I personally thought his attitude and disrespect for McLaren honda was not awful. And in those years, we don't really have much evidence to suggest how good he was There wasn't a great difference between him and button (who was past his best) and then he was against Vandoorne who really was underwhelming. He did have a few (although not many) poor judgements. 2 being close together at the end of 2015 and start of 2016.

I think he will be better than a lot of current drivers, but I don't think i would confirm him as a top level driver until he proves that over a season. And he could prove me wrong.
You can’t right off Alonso. Schumacher came back at 41 and after a year after he broke his neck. Alonso is will be 39 and kept up driving too. Schumacher was on Rosbergs pace as he approached his 44th birthday.

I would not right Alonso off until we see it, the guy has always showed up. Any type of car, year, tyres, series etc. You say he had slowed by the time he got teamed up with Button he was only 33-35 years old. Hamilton is 35 now for reference.

It’s great to have him back and I think he has 2-4 years left in himself.

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I read it's a 3 year deal which I'm a bit surprised about but with where Renault are,the additions of his Ferrari friends in Fry and De Beer to go along with Budkowski and with the Budget Cap coming in I guess it makes sense for lack of any top 3 interest to think slightly longer term.

I hope Renault can provide the car to make it an interesting 2022 at least but I'm still glad I get to see him drive an F1 car again next year and I'm already looking forward to the battles with the Macca drivers we will hopefully get next year.
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It's been said he may be officially announced tomorrow as their 2021 driver.
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When the rumours started about a possible Alonso return back when Ricciardo was announced for McLaren, I was a bit 'meh' about it and thought Alonso should just move on and concentrate on other motorsport. But when the news broke this afternoon, it seems like it is going to happen and I was really excited :]

Renault will be midfield again next year but Alonso is taking the Hamilton to Mercedes type gamble for 2022.

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JN23 wrote: Renault will be midfield again next year but Alonso is taking the Hamilton to Mercedes type gamble for 2022.
This is pretty smart from Renault, they're clearly struggling to improve the car and one tried and tested method is to have Alonso drive for you for a while, as when he leaves they will instantly find a second per lap in performance.

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Assuming Alonso is still the same old points monster he always was then Renault will almost certainly finish higher in the championship with him than without.

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According to the BBC it has been confirmed.
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It's official

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I would rather have seen him up against Ricciardo TBH. I wonder if Dan saw this coming...

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Covalent wrote:I would rather have seen him up against Ricciardo TBH. I wonder if Dan saw this coming...
But wasn't it Dan moving to McLaren that opened up the opportunity for Alonso to Renault.

Loving the possibility to see Alonso racing again, shame it won't be in a top notch car - so not sure what he'll be able to achieve other than have some fun.

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A tremendous statement of intent from Renault, it does show that they have ambitions beyond hanging around in the midfield as they have done since their return. Though on the flip side, it also makes it much more likely that if they don't achieve their ambitions then they'll end up pulling out of the sport.

Great to have Alonso back, though part of me is a little disappointed that this might cost Guanyu Zhou a chance at a race seat for next year.

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Covalent wrote:I would rather have seen him up against Ricciardo TBH. I wonder if Dan saw this coming...
Ocon is on a 2 year contract so it needed Ricciardo to leave for Alonso to be signed.

Hamilton will be especially pleased, it ensures he will not be the oldest driver in F1. :)
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JN23 wrote:
pokerman wrote:Good to see him come back before he finally gets too old, maybe it also helped seeing Ocon getting totally owned by Ricciardo so he's maybe not a threat.

I guess this leaves Vettel high and dry though?
Jesus Poker, it’s been one weekend. Give Ocon a bit of time, he hasn’t drove an F1 car competitively in over 18 months.
I'm sure he will close the gap, it's a big gap to close though.
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pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:I would rather have seen him up against Ricciardo TBH. I wonder if Dan saw this coming...
Ocon is on a 2 year contract so it needed Ricciardo to leave for Alonso to be signed.

Hamilton will be especially pleased, it ensures he will not be the oldest driver in F1. :)
Is Kimi retiring? He's older than Lewis also.
I am not jazzed about the return of Alonso. But if Seb and Kimi leave, then I can see F1's need for him.

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Biased, as Alonso had been my favourite driver prior to his exit, but I do think it's good for the sport to have former world champions on the grid, and drivers of mixed ages. It keeps things fresh. I don't support the idea that it would have been better to give the seat to a rookie. I don't see why it's remotely interesting to have a grid full of 18-22 year olds.

It will be interesting to see how Ocon fares against Ricciardo this year, because from his performances against Perez I personally rate him no better than 'above average'. And you need to be better than that to beat Alonso over a season, as Vandoorne found out. It could either make or break Ocon's career.

As for Alonso's own ambitions, I can't see him winning any races with this team. It's a shame, but that's my feeling. I hope I'm wrong. But even if the car is good enough for him to shine a few times before his eventual retirement, I think it will be worth it.

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Centauri wrote:Biased, as Alonso had been my favourite driver prior to his exit, but I do think it's good for the sport to have former world champions on the grid, and drivers of mixed ages. It keeps things fresh. I don't support the idea that it would have been better to give the seat to a rookie. I don't see why it's remotely interesting to have a grid full of 18-22 year olds.

It will be interesting to see how Ocon fares against Ricciardo this year, because from his performances against Perez I personally rate him no better than 'above average'. And you need to be better than that to beat Alonso over a season, as Vandoorne found out. It could either make or break Ocon's career.
As for Alonso's own ambitions, I can't see him winning any races with this team. It's a shame, but that's my feeling. I hope I'm wrong. But even if the car is good enough for him to shine a few times before his eventual retirement, I think it will be worth it.
You don't need Alonso or even Ricciardo - Bottas has already broken Ocon's career. I think he will be Piquet 4.0, after Piquet, Grosjean and Vandoorne.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Centauri wrote:Biased, as Alonso had been my favourite driver prior to his exit, but I do think it's good for the sport to have former world champions on the grid, and drivers of mixed ages. It keeps things fresh. I don't support the idea that it would have been better to give the seat to a rookie. I don't see why it's remotely interesting to have a grid full of 18-22 year olds.

It will be interesting to see how Ocon fares against Ricciardo this year, because from his performances against Perez I personally rate him no better than 'above average'. And you need to be better than that to beat Alonso over a season, as Vandoorne found out. It could either make or break Ocon's career.
As for Alonso's own ambitions, I can't see him winning any races with this team. It's a shame, but that's my feeling. I hope I'm wrong. But even if the car is good enough for him to shine a few times before his eventual retirement, I think it will be worth it.
You don't need Alonso or even Ricciardo - Bottas has already broken Ocon's career. I think he will be Piquet 4.0, after Piquet, Grosjean and Vandoorne.

I'm curious -- why Bottas? Because Mercedes keep opting for him over Ocon?

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Centauri wrote:Biased, as Alonso had been my favourite driver prior to his exit, but I do think it's good for the sport to have former world champions on the grid, and drivers of mixed ages. It keeps things fresh. I don't support the idea that it would have been better to give the seat to a rookie. I don't see why it's remotely interesting to have a grid full of 18-22 year olds.

It will be interesting to see how Ocon fares against Ricciardo this year, because from his performances against Perez I personally rate him no better than 'above average'. And you need to be better than that to beat Alonso over a season, as Vandoorne found out. It could either make or break Ocon's career.
As for Alonso's own ambitions, I can't see him winning any races with this team. It's a shame, but that's my feeling. I hope I'm wrong. But even if the car is good enough for him to shine a few times before his eventual retirement, I think it will be worth it.
You don't need Alonso or even Ricciardo - Bottas has already broken Ocon's career. I think he will be Piquet 4.0, after Piquet, Grosjean and Vandoorne.
The difference with Ocon is he isn't an as yet not benchmarked rookie. We already know he's good. Being beaten by Alonso won't mean he isn't the same driver that was already as good as Perez.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Centauri wrote:Biased, as Alonso had been my favourite driver prior to his exit, but I do think it's good for the sport to have former world champions on the grid, and drivers of mixed ages. It keeps things fresh. I don't support the idea that it would have been better to give the seat to a rookie. I don't see why it's remotely interesting to have a grid full of 18-22 year olds.

It will be interesting to see how Ocon fares against Ricciardo this year, because from his performances against Perez I personally rate him no better than 'above average'. And you need to be better than that to beat Alonso over a season, as Vandoorne found out. It could either make or break Ocon's career.
As for Alonso's own ambitions, I can't see him winning any races with this team. It's a shame, but that's my feeling. I hope I'm wrong. But even if the car is good enough for him to shine a few times before his eventual retirement, I think it will be worth it.
You don't need Alonso or even Ricciardo - Bottas has already broken Ocon's career. I think he will be Piquet 4.0, after Piquet, Grosjean and Vandoorne.
The difference with Ocon is he isn't an as yet not benchmarked rookie. We already know he's good. Being beaten by Alonso won't mean he isn't the same driver that was already as good as Perez.
A question to all those people who don't rate Ocon. How do you rate Perez? As Mikey says, Ocon was as good as Perez in his first two full years in F1.

I don't get why Perez is seen as a really good driver by some people yet they don't rate Ocon.

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JN23 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Centauri wrote:Biased, as Alonso had been my favourite driver prior to his exit, but I do think it's good for the sport to have former world champions on the grid, and drivers of mixed ages. It keeps things fresh. I don't support the idea that it would have been better to give the seat to a rookie. I don't see why it's remotely interesting to have a grid full of 18-22 year olds.

It will be interesting to see how Ocon fares against Ricciardo this year, because from his performances against Perez I personally rate him no better than 'above average'. And you need to be better than that to beat Alonso over a season, as Vandoorne found out. It could either make or break Ocon's career.
As for Alonso's own ambitions, I can't see him winning any races with this team. It's a shame, but that's my feeling. I hope I'm wrong. But even if the car is good enough for him to shine a few times before his eventual retirement, I think it will be worth it.
You don't need Alonso or even Ricciardo - Bottas has already broken Ocon's career. I think he will be Piquet 4.0, after Piquet, Grosjean and Vandoorne.
The difference with Ocon is he isn't an as yet not benchmarked rookie. We already know he's good. Being beaten by Alonso won't mean he isn't the same driver that was already as good as Perez.
A question to all those people who don't rate Ocon. How do you rate Perez? As Mikey says, Ocon was as good as Perez in his first two full years in F1.

I don't get why Perez is seen as a really good driver by some people yet they don't rate Ocon.

I agree with that fully - in my post above I mentioned that I consider Ocon an 'above average driver', because I consider Perez to be the same, and Ocon largely matched him in their two years together.

But like I said - above average isn't enough to best an in-form Alonso across a season.

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Centauri wrote:
JN23 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Centauri wrote:Biased, as Alonso had been my favourite driver prior to his exit, but I do think it's good for the sport to have former world champions on the grid, and drivers of mixed ages. It keeps things fresh. I don't support the idea that it would have been better to give the seat to a rookie. I don't see why it's remotely interesting to have a grid full of 18-22 year olds.

It will be interesting to see how Ocon fares against Ricciardo this year, because from his performances against Perez I personally rate him no better than 'above average'. And you need to be better than that to beat Alonso over a season, as Vandoorne found out. It could either make or break Ocon's career.
As for Alonso's own ambitions, I can't see him winning any races with this team. It's a shame, but that's my feeling. I hope I'm wrong. But even if the car is good enough for him to shine a few times before his eventual retirement, I think it will be worth it.
You don't need Alonso or even Ricciardo - Bottas has already broken Ocon's career. I think he will be Piquet 4.0, after Piquet, Grosjean and Vandoorne.
The difference with Ocon is he isn't an as yet not benchmarked rookie. We already know he's good. Being beaten by Alonso won't mean he isn't the same driver that was already as good as Perez.
A question to all those people who don't rate Ocon. How do you rate Perez? As Mikey says, Ocon was as good as Perez in his first two full years in F1.

I don't get why Perez is seen as a really good driver by some people yet they don't rate Ocon.

I agree with that fully - in my post above I mentioned that I consider Ocon an 'above average driver', because I consider Perez to be the same, and Ocon largely matched him in their two years together.

But like I said - above average isn't enough to best an in-form Alonso across a season.
Fair enough if you rate them the same :thumbup:

It was more a general observation based on what I've read on here generally rather than in this specific thread.

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Centauri wrote:
JN23 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Centauri wrote:Biased, as Alonso had been my favourite driver prior to his exit, but I do think it's good for the sport to have former world champions on the grid, and drivers of mixed ages. It keeps things fresh. I don't support the idea that it would have been better to give the seat to a rookie. I don't see why it's remotely interesting to have a grid full of 18-22 year olds.

It will be interesting to see how Ocon fares against Ricciardo this year, because from his performances against Perez I personally rate him no better than 'above average'. And you need to be better than that to beat Alonso over a season, as Vandoorne found out. It could either make or break Ocon's career.
As for Alonso's own ambitions, I can't see him winning any races with this team. It's a shame, but that's my feeling. I hope I'm wrong. But even if the car is good enough for him to shine a few times before his eventual retirement, I think it will be worth it.
You don't need Alonso or even Ricciardo - Bottas has already broken Ocon's career. I think he will be Piquet 4.0, after Piquet, Grosjean and Vandoorne.
The difference with Ocon is he isn't an as yet not benchmarked rookie. We already know he's good. Being beaten by Alonso won't mean he isn't the same driver that was already as good as Perez.
A question to all those people who don't rate Ocon. How do you rate Perez? As Mikey says, Ocon was as good as Perez in his first two full years in F1.

I don't get why Perez is seen as a really good driver by some people yet they don't rate Ocon.

I agree with that fully - in my post above I mentioned that I consider Ocon an 'above average driver', because I consider Perez to be the same, and Ocon largely matched him in their two years together.

But like I said - above average isn't enough to best an in-form Alonso across a season.
Oh I'm not saying he'll beat Alonso. His previous performances should prevent him from going the same way as Piquet and Vandoorne though.

People are weird about Ocon. For some reason they don't see being as good as Perez in only his second season as noteworthy. Oddly I think if Norris matches Sainz this year he'll get very highly rated, despite Sainz not being any better than Perez.

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alonso cried and complained for a year, at least, that the formula sucked, was boring, needs changing, and his car was incapable of winning.
welcome back to the exact same thing mr spoiled !

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pc27b wrote:alonso cried and complained for a year, at least, that the formula sucked, was boring, needs changing, and his car was incapable of winning.
welcome back to the exact same thing mr spoiled !
Nope. He's coming back to try out the new regs in 2022 really. 2021 is to just keep him sharp.

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yes, he is coming back to the exact same thing next year that he complained over and over about.
team bosses have already stated the new regs may be delayed until 2023

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bourbon19 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:I would rather have seen him up against Ricciardo TBH. I wonder if Dan saw this coming...
Ocon is on a 2 year contract so it needed Ricciardo to leave for Alonso to be signed.

Hamilton will be especially pleased, it ensures he will not be the oldest driver in F1. :)
Is Kimi retiring? He's older than Lewis also.
I am not jazzed about the return of Alonso. But if Seb and Kimi leave, then I can see F1's need for him.
Kimi is out of contract for 2021.
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