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A brand new grand prix at a familiar circuit. I can't imagine we'll get as much as excitement as this Sunday but this season's storylines are already taking shape.

Will Bottas build on his early championship lead or will Hamilton fight back? The fight for third in the constructors looks to be really close. Will the unreliability of the first race continue?

My main reason for creating the thread was to post that Ferrari are brining forward some of their Hungary upgrades as running them this weekend gives them the opportunity to do a genuine back-to-back comparison with us being at the same circuit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53309834

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Bottas will get pole unless Hamilton can sort out his S2, both Mercedes to start on the mediums.
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Hamilton was .012 seconds from pole last week so doesn't need to sort much of his lap out....

Race was only exciting because of the safety cars. Assuming they sort out the reliabilty comfortable Mercedes 1-2, Red Bull 3-4

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Agree with you Ernie that Merc will start on the medium. Will Red Bull go the other way to try and put pressure on at the start?

Zazu - yep fair point about Hamilton not needing much, his combined fastest sectors were better than Bottas by about a tenth I think.

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Bottas didnt do a second run in Q3 and most likely would have gone quicker and im sure he purpled the first sector. Bottas also gets to go 2nd this weekend aswell with the use of slipstream. Hamilton was losing his time in sector 2.
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Bottas for pole

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if its a wet qualifying does bottas still get pole?

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lucifers wrote:if its a wet qualifying does bottas still get pole?
No that would be Hamilton.
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F1_Ernie wrote:Bottas will get pole unless Hamilton can sort out his S2, both Mercedes to start on the mediums.
Well he has all the data in the world and a week and free practise to sort that.

The interesting thing is, we didn’t see any strategy last race. All pit stops were decided by the SC so hopefully we get some strategy next time.

I hope for stable conditions next week, it will be fascinating to see if/how team mate dynamics change in Q next week and if everybody is a little quicker.

Fp1,fp2 seem kind of pointless here. This was probably a good opportunity for some kind of short reverse grid race on Friday or getting the 3rd drivers in the car for at least one Friday session.

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As I have always loved this circuit, it's really exciting to know that they are going back a week later to the same place!
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Pretty much all weather forecasts now have rain forecast for Saturday. Would love to see some chaos leading to a jumbled up grid

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Anyone know if Ferrari are running the 'new car' tomorrow? Or if there is any news about the Mercedes reliability issues, never really liked the way info disappears in the lead up to practice but I see why it happens. Looks like wet qualifying and a dry race.

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Option or Prime wrote:Anyone know if Ferrari are running the 'new car' tomorrow? Or if there is any news about the Mercedes reliability issues, never really liked the way info disappears in the lead up to practice but I see why it happens. Looks like wet qualifying and a dry race.
From what I hear, they only have parts for one car. So I expect one of the two (most likely #16) will be the upgraded version, and the other will be the original. They'd probably want to do it that way anyway to get a good comparison.
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Zazu wrote:Hamilton was .012 seconds from pole last week so doesn't need to sort much of his lap out....

Race was only exciting because of the safety cars. Assuming they sort out the reliabilty comfortable Mercedes 1-2, Red Bull 3-4
Bottas' off on his 2nd Q3 lap disguised the fact he was 0.2s under his 1st attempt in sector 1... He went off while pushing for an even faster sector 2 time which was already quicker than Hamilton managed.

OK, if my auntie has round spherical objects she'd be my uncle, but had he not pushed quite so hard, he'd of been significantly quicker than Hamilton.

I think it's great that Bottas 3.0 is giving Hamilton a hard time, the world champion has matured into the best driver on the grid, not just the fastest. It will be cool to see how the new model handles the kind of pressure that forced mistakes from him in the past.

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Exediron wrote:
Option or Prime wrote:Anyone know if Ferrari are running the 'new car' tomorrow? Or if there is any news about the Mercedes reliability issues, never really liked the way info disappears in the lead up to practice but I see why it happens. Looks like wet qualifying and a dry race.
From what I hear, they only have parts for one car. So I expect one of the two (most likely #16) will be the upgraded version, and the other will be the original. They'd probably want to do it that way anyway to get a good comparison.
Yikes, that won't go down too well will it? Especially if they make a big difference.

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Option or Prime wrote:Anyone know if Ferrari are running the 'new car' tomorrow? Or if there is any news about the Mercedes reliability issues, never really liked the way info disappears in the lead up to practice but I see why it happens. Looks like wet qualifying and a dry race.
On the Mercedes bit - they haven't said whether they've fixed the issues but they've said the issues are complex and caused by the design of the car, but the issues shouldn't be as bad at circuits where the kerbs aren't as much of an issue.

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Ah, just seen this: https://formulaspy.com/f1/mercedes-to-r ... kend-69696

Merc will run new gearbox components this weekend. No word on whether that means a grid penalty in the article.

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JN23 wrote:Ah, just seen this: https://formulaspy.com/f1/mercedes-to-r ... kend-69696

Merc will run new gearbox components this weekend. No word on whether that means a grid penalty in the article.
Thanks for the update, appreciated, what with Merc issues and Ferrari's upgrades RB must be kicking themselves that they haven't capitalised on Austria yet!

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Battle Far wrote:
Zazu wrote:Hamilton was .012 seconds from pole last week so doesn't need to sort much of his lap out....

Race was only exciting because of the safety cars. Assuming they sort out the reliabilty comfortable Mercedes 1-2, Red Bull 3-4
Bottas' off on his 2nd Q3 lap disguised the fact he was 0.2s under his 1st attempt in sector 1... He went off while pushing for an even faster sector 2 time which was already quicker than Hamilton managed.

OK, if my auntie has round spherical objects she'd be my uncle, but had he not pushed quite so hard, he'd of been significantly quicker than Hamilton.

I think it's great that Bottas 3.0 is giving Hamilton a hard time, the world champion has matured into the best driver on the grid, not just the fastest. It will be cool to see how the new model handles the kind of pressure that forced mistakes from him in the past.
Bottas 3.0 who is good qualifying but slower in the races, sounds like the same Bottas to me.
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Surprised we haven’t heard more of Leclerc going back to Monaco this week and visiting a public museum and a birthday party in a restaurant. That’s pretty irresponsible in my opinion when the rest of F1 aren’t doing that.

Bottas also went to Monaco but seems like that’s ok as he remained within his bubble.

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Monaco isn't a hotspot. The last death from it was in April and they've had single figures of cases since the

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JN23 wrote:Surprised we haven’t heard more of Leclerc going back to Monaco this week and visiting a public museum and a birthday party in a restaurant. That’s pretty irresponsible in my opinion when the rest of F1 aren’t doing that.

Bottas also went to Monaco but seems like that’s ok as he remained within his bubble.
On the face of it Leclerc was selfish and stupid. If he tests positive for covid he's out for at least a race. You'd think he'd be concerned by that.

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Zazu wrote:Monaco isn't a hotspot. The last death from it was in April and they've had single figures of cases since the
That’s not the point. The point is that drivers have been told to not leave their bubbles. Leclerc has been to two public places and even posed for a picture with a fan.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
JN23 wrote:Surprised we haven’t heard more of Leclerc going back to Monaco this week and visiting a public museum and a birthday party in a restaurant. That’s pretty irresponsible in my opinion when the rest of F1 aren’t doing that.

Bottas also went to Monaco but seems like that’s ok as he remained within his bubble.
On the face of it Leclerc was selfish and stupid. If he tests positive for covid he's out for at least a race. You'd think he'd be concerned by that.
And what about all the people in his bubble if he does? Just seems absolutely stupid.

Sounds like the FIA will be warning Ferrari and Mercedes over this.

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JN23 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
JN23 wrote:Surprised we haven’t heard more of Leclerc going back to Monaco this week and visiting a public museum and a birthday party in a restaurant. That’s pretty irresponsible in my opinion when the rest of F1 aren’t doing that.

Bottas also went to Monaco but seems like that’s ok as he remained within his bubble.
On the face of it Leclerc was selfish and stupid. If he tests positive for covid he's out for at least a race. You'd think he'd be concerned by that.
And what about all the people in his bubble if he does? Just seems absolutely stupid.

Sounds like the FIA will be warning Ferrari and Mercedes over this.
Yeah have to agree that with the very, some could argue overly, strict at circuit protocols currently in place, on the face of it, it strikes me as strange Leclerc & Bottas would've got the ok to do this.
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Zazu wrote:Monaco isn't a hotspot. The last death from it was in April and they've had single figures of cases since the
I don't know. Single figure cases is quite significant when there's only <40,000 living there, and likely far higher than other countries per million.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
JN23 wrote:Surprised we haven’t heard more of Leclerc going back to Monaco this week and visiting a public museum and a birthday party in a restaurant. That’s pretty irresponsible in my opinion when the rest of F1 aren’t doing that.

Bottas also went to Monaco but seems like that’s ok as he remained within his bubble.
On the face of it Leclerc was selfish and stupid. If he tests positive for covid he's out for at least a race. You'd think he'd be concerned by that.
Hard to disagree. With the NHL's 'Return to Play' scheme that's going into force later this month, if a player leaves the bubble they're not allowed back in unless they go through a new quarantine period. He'd be skipping this weekend's race for sure, as there's no time for him to properly quarantine and test before interacting with his mechanics and other team personnel.
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I personally think you have to be stupid to leave the place of a double header grand prix, what's the point when the risk is missing a grand prix. Also how did they get from Austria to Monaco, I'm guessing they drove but in their bubbles, did they need to stop at services or shops etc?
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F1_Ernie wrote:I personally think you have to be stupid to leave the place of a double header grand prix, what's the point when the risk is missing a grand prix. Also how did they get from Austria to Monaco, I'm guessing they drove but in their bubbles, did they need to stop at services or shops etc?
They probably flew.

I think going home is fine. If you finished work Sunday and were then off work until Thursday you would probably go home if your commute was probably no more than a couple of hours.

But when home it makes sense to stay in the bubble.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:I personally think you have to be stupid to leave the place of a double header grand prix, what's the point when the risk is missing a grand prix. Also how did they get from Austria to Monaco, I'm guessing they drove but in their bubbles, did they need to stop at services or shops etc?
They probably flew.

I think going home is fine. If you finished work Sunday and were then off work until Thursday you would probably go home if your commute was probably no more than a couple of hours.

But when home it makes sense to stay in the bubble.
If it was me I wouldn't leave the circuit just for a week. The risk of missing a grand prix would be enough to put me off.
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Saturday looks like a wash out, the hours before during and after qualifying have a 90-95% chance of rain at the moment and every hours of the day entire day time is in the 75-90% range so it seems very likely to be raining or at very least a wet track before Q.

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Johnson wrote:Saturday looks like a wash out, the hours before during and after qualifying have a 90-95% chance of rain at the moment and every hours of the day entire day time is in the 75-90% range so it seems very likely to be raining or at very least a wet track before Q.
So if its raining quali wont go ahead :lol:
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F1_Ernie wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:I personally think you have to be stupid to leave the place of a double header grand prix, what's the point when the risk is missing a grand prix. Also how did they get from Austria to Monaco, I'm guessing they drove but in their bubbles, did they need to stop at services or shops etc?
They probably flew.

I think going home is fine. If you finished work Sunday and were then off work until Thursday you would probably go home if your commute was probably no more than a couple of hours.

But when home it makes sense to stay in the bubble.
If it was me I wouldn't leave the circuit just for a week. The risk of missing a grand prix would be enough to put me off.
You can keep the risk pretty minimal if you take precautions. We don't know what they've been told either. I'd probably follow my teams lead. If they said I should stay I would but if they said I could go home I'd probably do that.

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It's been reported that they will be investigated, so there's probably enough concern. They both have excuses, Leclerc's being particularly weak in my opinion, but it seems they will get away with just a warning:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... d-19-rules

The interesting thing is that repeated offences will result in racing penalties according to the article.

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It’s being reported that FIA will only write to Ferrari as going home wasn’t the problem, it was leaving the bubble. Leclerc left the bubble, Bottas didn’t.

https://twitter.com/adamcooperf1/status ... 20128?s=21

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Ok, its only fp1 but 1st to 13th within a second....

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Norris has a three place grid penalty for overtaking Gasly under yellow flags.

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Steve_muzzy wrote:Ok, its only fp1 but 1st to 13th within a second....

Its only a 1.05 lap and clearly not true paces


When was the last time someone got grid penalty for overtaking under yellows in fp1?

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Hamilton best hope they can get qualifying done.

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