2020 Austrian Grand Prix Race Thread

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Penalty for Perez too!
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Perez 5 sec penalty, Norris still on for a poduim !

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Only 5 secs for speeding in pitlane?

GWARN NORRIS

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Proper race of attrition, NORRIS HAS DONE IT AND FASTEST LAP

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Norris pips Hamilton for 3rd with a final lap fastest lap!
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Norris gets podium fastest final lap.

Gets the extra point as well, got to love this young man. Orange McLaren mayhem!
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Yes Lando!!
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there have been a lot of ssqueeky littlee childern on the podium more recently :D

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Mercedes gave away Hamilton's 3rd place by not putting him in front of Bottas.

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Well, that was boring, wasn't it...
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So the safety car has manipulated the outcome of yet another race?

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Albon should have won this race. Mercedes were idiots not to pit both cars under the last safety car. They did not deserve this win. Lewis's move on Albon was speechless for me. Happy for Leclerc and Norris.

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mikeyg123 wrote:Mercedes gave away Hamilton's 3rd place by not putting him in front of Bottas.
how is it that merc cant see this but the rest of us could

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that was not the same thing. Albon was clearly ahead on the outside and was not even off the track limits.
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mikeyg123 wrote:Mercedes gave away Hamilton's 3rd place by not putting him in front of Bottas.
Agree, plus if they pit both drivers then Hamilton would have had more pace and the end and I doubt the initial fight with Albon happens.
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F1 Racer wrote:So the safety car has manipulated the outcome of yet another race?
....and a large fist full of penalties that are handed out.
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lucifers wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Mercedes gave away Hamilton's 3rd place by not putting him in front of Bottas.
how is it that merc cant see this but the rest of us could
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tootsie323 wrote:Well, that was boring, wasn't it...
Are you subtly trying to imply this race wasn't boring?

I stopped watching after I saw Max retire as I knew that as a pure race there was nothing left to see here. The fact that it seems that some positions have jumbled around late in the race due to an unnecessary late SC doesn't really change that this race should still have been completely dull.

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F1 Racer wrote:
tootsie323 wrote:Well, that was boring, wasn't it...
Are you subtly trying to imply this race wasn't boring?

I stopped watching after I saw Max retire as I knew that as a pure race there was nothing left to see here. The fact that it seems that some positions have jumbled around late in the race due to an unnecessary late SC doesn't really change that this race should still have been completely dull.
Should have been? May have been, perhaps. But... it wasn't.
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I can't see how that's a penalty for Lewis. He had full lock on, didn't oversteer or slide or open the steering wheel before the collision. If anything, I think Albon hit Lewis.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Mercedes gave away Hamilton's 3rd place by not putting him in front of Bottas.
Agree, plus if they pit both drivers then Hamilton would have had more pace and the end and I doubt the initial fight with Albon happens.
Or perhaps Bottas is playing the long game & slightly backed Lewis towards Norris...

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F1 Racer wrote:
tootsie323 wrote:Well, that was boring, wasn't it...
Are you subtly trying to imply this race wasn't boring?

I stopped watching after I saw Max retire as I knew that as a pure race there was nothing left to see here. The fact that it seems that some positions have jumbled around late in the race due to an unnecessary late SC doesn't really change that this race should still have been completely dull.
For someone who stopped watching pretty early on, you're hardly in a position to comment on the race as a whole!
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I wonder if Bottas was deliberately backing Lewis into the pack.
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cmberry20 wrote:I can't see how that's a penalty for Lewis. He had full lock on, didn't oversteer or slide or open the steering wheel before the collision. If anything, I think Albon hit Lewis.
On the opening lap when roles reversed Hamilton backed out.
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If the safety car is really going to be used every single time a car stops on track (despite them recovering the car before the cars line up proving a VSC would have been fine) we need to find a different solution. We can't continue to allow the races to be corrupted like this.

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Mixed feelings for Ferrari surely, Leclerc somehow gets 2nd, Lando beats Carlos (wrong driver choice?), what do you say about Vettel?

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A_Game_A_Day wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Mercedes gave away Hamilton's 3rd place by not putting him in front of Bottas.
Agree, plus if they pit both drivers then Hamilton would have had more pace and the end and I doubt the initial fight with Albon happens.
Or perhaps Bottas is playing the long game & slightly backed Lewis towards Norris...
Well then the team should have asked Bottas to move over as it's common sense, they wanted Lewis to back out early from the fight to secure a 1-2 even though he was the quicker driver all race.
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For those not happy with the safety cars, I will start banging the drum I've been banging for a good few years now.

SLOW ZONES are needed, like they have in the WEC. It would solve the problem so easily.
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Bottas has a 13-point advantage over Hamilton, in a shortened season...
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Asphalt_World wrote:For those not happy with the safety cars, I will start banging the drum I've been banging for a good few years now.

SLOW ZONES are needed, like they have in the WEC. It would solve the problem so easily.
Do slow zones work any differently to yellows or double waved yellows?

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All the Hamilton fan boys whinging

Would have been a disgrace if Hamilton was let passed and took the chequered flag race.

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JN23 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:For those not happy with the safety cars, I will start banging the drum I've been banging for a good few years now.

SLOW ZONES are needed, like they have in the WEC. It would solve the problem so easily.
Do slow zones work any differently to yellows or double waved yellows?

They have the virtual SC

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Harsh penalty for Hamilton I thought, not Albon's fault but I thought it seemed clear from the onboard that Hamilton understeered wide and couldn't really have done much else. Racing incident IMO.

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Not Mercedes greatest day strategy wise. They should have pitted both cars at the second safety car and then put Hamilton ahead of Bottas when he got his penalty. The first would have seen a 1-2 and the second a 1-3. Look forward to their YouTube video explaining these things in the week.

Really good effort from Leclerc and Norris to get on the podium.

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Option or Prime wrote:Mixed feelings for Ferrari surely, Leclerc somehow gets 2nd, Lando beats Carlos (wrong driver choice?), what do you say about Vettel?
Vettel? The same thing you say about Hamilton. We can have racing, or we can have drivers taking no chances and giving up on defense. Sainz nearly took Norris out too in another bout of close racing. It was few and far between, but if we eliminate those moments, we have a regular snoozefest.

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JN23 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:For those not happy with the safety cars, I will start banging the drum I've been banging for a good few years now.

SLOW ZONES are needed, like they have in the WEC. It would solve the problem so easily.
Do slow zones work any differently to yellows or double waved yellows?
Yes. Basically, when a car enters a slow zone. the have to activate the pit lane limiter. This ensures both a very slow speed is driven past the incident and that each and every car slows exactly the same amount. Once they reach a line after the incident, the button is released and racing resumes over the rest of the circuit. Safety cars are then only needed if emergency vehicles have to travel around the circuit to assist, things like ambulances.

Basically, it's pretty rare that racing ever stops and driver who have built leads, don't lose them because of simple car failures like we saw today.
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tootsie323 wrote:
F1 Racer wrote:
tootsie323 wrote:Well, that was boring, wasn't it...
Are you subtly trying to imply this race wasn't boring?

I stopped watching after I saw Max retire as I knew that as a pure race there was nothing left to see here. The fact that it seems that some positions have jumbled around late in the race due to an unnecessary late SC doesn't really change that this race should still have been completely dull.
Should have been? May have been, perhaps. But... it wasn't.
Wut? Contrived endings to races do not count as genuine entertainment and battling, (last year in Austria was genuine late race battling for comparison), and instead is more akin to WWE style with a lottery element added in. Surely you realise this right?

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Black_Flag_11 wrote:Harsh penalty for Hamilton I thought, not Albon's fault but I thought it seemed clear from the onboard that Hamilton understeered wide and couldn't really have done much else. Racing incident IMO.
In a way I think the crash was a consequence of having tarmac run-offs on the outside of most corners. The standard practice now when being overtaken on the outside is to hold the racing line and push the overtaking driver out wide onto the run-off, but that wasn't possible in this case with gravel on the outside. Albon was well alongside (slightly ahead, even) so Hamilton should have allowed for that by slowing more earlier in the corner and taking a tighter line.

Certainly not the most heinous of driving offences from Hamilton but I think the blame does lie with him and a 5sec penalty is fair.

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It does feel rather like the bad strategists Ferrari had last year are now at Mercedes.

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