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I wonder if what happened last year will factor in the team's thinking on strategy. Verstappen's longer first stint meant he was a lot quicker at the end when coming through the field.

I am surprised the medium's don't go that much longer than the soft's.

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JN23 wrote:I wonder if what happened last year will factor in the team's thinking on strategy. Verstappen's longer first stint meant he was a lot quicker at the end when coming through the field.

I am surprised the medium's don't go that much longer than the soft's.
I would be guessing that's why Mercedes didn't bother using the mediums in Q2 when they easily could have gone through to Q3 using them?
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Can anyone explain why Verstappen is starting on mediums? P3 was always the best he could have hoped for and the dirty side of the grid is dreadful here. Best chance of jumping a Mercedes is the start where they've now handicapped themselves

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Zazu wrote:Can anyone explain why Verstappen is starting on mediums? P3 was always the best he could have hoped for and the dirty side of the grid is dreadful here. Best chance of jumping a Mercedes is the start where they've now handicapped themselves
Longer first stint would be my guess!

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Zazu wrote:Can anyone explain why Verstappen is starting on mediums? P3 was always the best he could have hoped for and the dirty side of the grid is dreadful here. Best chance of jumping a Mercedes is the start where they've now handicapped themselves
It's why I like Redbull, they are always willing to try something different and be aggressive on strategy, granted they dont have as much to lose but i enjoy seeing it. Even if Verstappen did overtake a Mercedes or two at the start with the pace difference they are getting back past. The strategy makes perfect sense to me as they might get lucky with a SC.
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Zazu wrote:Can anyone explain why Verstappen is starting on mediums? P3 was always the best he could have hoped for and the dirty side of the grid is dreadful here. Best chance of jumping a Mercedes is the start where they've now handicapped themselves
His win last year came courtesy of a long first run. I assume that's what they are going for again. You can overtake here so getting Hamilton on lap 1 doesn't really do much for him.

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Anyone watching F2? Just the four safety cars in the first 15 laps.

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Red Bull have requested a review of Hamilton’s non-penalty yesterday. Another trip to the stewards for Merc.

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Hamilton has been summoned to the stewards again, Redbull have asked them to review the yellow flag infringement.
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JN23 wrote:Red Bull have requested a review of Hamilton’s non-penalty yesterday. Another trip to the stewards for Merc.
Snap :lol: surely they wont be changing there mind now.
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F1_Ernie wrote:
JN23 wrote:Red Bull have requested a review of Hamilton’s non-penalty yesterday. Another trip to the stewards for Merc.
Snap :lol: surely they wont be changing there mind now.
I assume that Red Bull need new evidence for this to change, like Ferrari when they requested a review of Vettel’s penalty from Canada last year.

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Surely that wont change their decision this close to the start of the race.

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JN23 wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
JN23 wrote:Red Bull have requested a review of Hamilton’s non-penalty yesterday. Another trip to the stewards for Merc.
Snap :lol: surely they wont be changing there mind now.
I assume that Red Bull need new evidence for this to change, like Ferrari when they requested a review of Vettel’s penalty from Canada last year.
What evidence can they have that the stewards dont already have in this case.

This is well Max got penalised in Mexico imo.

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JN23 wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
JN23 wrote:Red Bull have requested a review of Hamilton’s non-penalty yesterday. Another trip to the stewards for Merc.
Snap :lol: surely they wont be changing there mind now.
I assume that Red Bull need new evidence for this to change, like Ferrari when they requested a review of Vettel’s penalty from Canada last year.
What frustrates me is it took so long after qualifying yesterday to summon Hamilton when you can delete laps straight away normally in qualifying. If Hamiltons first lap was deleted then that changes the situation for the rest of Q3, it's a poor show really and that's a big mistake by the stewards.
Then today fans are getting ready for the race, I'm excited the new season is here and we find out just over an hour before Hamilton is being summoned again. Its abit of a joke really.
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Clarky wrote:Surely that wont change their decision this close to the start of the race.
What about review it after the race? :lol:
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Yeah I agree with both of your posts Clarky and Ernie.

A few journos on twitter saying Hamilton being penalised would see him start 10th as he’ll lose the lap time but I believe Verstappen kept his time in Mexico last year which he set when driving through the yellows. Bit confused by that.

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Also why have Red Bull left if so late to appeal.

Why not last night?

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Sorry, but if Hamilton went to the stewards yesterday and they gave a justifiable reason that that he has a green flag in his car (which he probably will have been able to see more clearly). And there will have been next to no time for him to react. Why would they change their view today. If he should be getting a penalty, that should have been given yesterday.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:Sorry, but if Hamilton went to the stewards yesterday and they gave a justifiable reason that that he has a green flag in his car (which he probably will have been able to see more clearly). And there will have been next to no time for him to react. Why would they change their view today. If he should be getting a penalty, that should have been given yesterday.
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JN23 wrote:Red Bull have requested a review of Hamilton’s non-penalty yesterday. Another trip to the stewards for Merc.
Gamesmanship, add to that Verstappen tweeting he will not 'take the knee' somehow think Red Bull are trying to get into Hamilton's head. Not sure that will work with Hamilton.

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I just dont understand why Hamilton's first lap wasn't deleted straight away, how can it take 3 to 4 hours after quali to see that? Tbh I think its majorly unfair to delete a lap that long afterwards as it changes the whole complexion of quali and the second runs.
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Red Bull claim he has driven through 4 yellow flags

Slam dunk penalty

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Zazu wrote:Red Bull claim he has driven through 4 yellow flags

Slam dunk penalty
No he didnt!

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Zazu wrote:Red Bull claim he has driven through 4 yellow flags

Slam dunk penalty
If he has, then I agree. But if that’s the case why on earth has it taken almost 24 hours for the stewards to either hear about that or see it themselves?

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Seems like it’s a three place penalty as Verstappen has set up in P2 and Hamilton in P5 on the grid.

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Hamiltons team lined up in 5th, looks like a 3 place grid penalty.
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JN23 wrote:
Zazu wrote:Red Bull claim he has driven through 4 yellow flags

Slam dunk penalty
If he has, then I agree. But if that’s the case why on earth has it taken almost 24 hours for the stewards to either hear about that or see it themselves?
The stewards don't want to penalise him. This is how they always operate.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Zazu wrote:Red Bull claim he has driven through 4 yellow flags

Slam dunk penalty
If he has, then I agree. But if that’s the case why on earth has it taken almost 24 hours for the stewards to either hear about that or see it themselves?
The stewards don't want to penalise him. This is how they always operate.
Thats not the point though. Its not the stewards decision that is questionable its the timing of the appeal.

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Option or Prime wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Zazu wrote:Red Bull claim he has driven through 4 yellow flags

Slam dunk penalty
If he has, then I agree. But if that’s the case why on earth has it taken almost 24 hours for the stewards to either hear about that or see it themselves?
The stewards don't want to penalise him. This is how they always operate.
Thats not the point though. Its not the stewards decision that is questionable its the timing of the appeal.
The stewards have looked like idiots as normal. It's a big joke.
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Anthony Davidson didn't have Hamiltons on board footage for the lap analysis yesterday.

Not sure if that's related but pretty shabby stewards have to be be walked through the crime by a rival team


Bad day so far for Hamilton

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Zazu wrote:Anthony Davidson didn't have Hamiltons on board footage for the lap analysis yesterday.

Not sure if that's related but pretty shabby stewards have to be be walked through the crime by a rival team


Bad day so far for Hamilton
Apparently there was an issue with Hamilton’s onboard and that’s why the original summons took so long yesterday.

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JN23 wrote:
Zazu wrote:Anthony Davidson didn't have Hamiltons on board footage for the lap analysis yesterday.

Not sure if that's related but pretty shabby stewards have to be be walked through the crime by a rival team


Bad day so far for Hamilton
Apparently there was an issue with Hamilton’s onboard and that’s why the original summons took so long yesterday.
The onboard was avaaible last night as posted by @f1.

Why Red Bull left it so late to protest is distasteful.

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Not sure about about a 3 place grid drop and not deleting the lap. This leaves it in the hands of the drivers. For example Hamilton was better off keeping his foot down and ignoring yellow flags and take the 3 place grid drop than he would have been had he aborted the lap.

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Well, the commentators are saying this morning that Hamilton MAY have a three place grid penalty. Nobody seems to know for certain. RBR are set up in the P2 grid space though.
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Hamilton penalised 3 places, confirmed on the BBC site. Starts 5th
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Swings and roundabouts. At mexico Verstappen ignored yellows and thought he still had pole due to another fast lap. Ended up getting punished by the grid penalty

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Anyway, looking forward to Bottas and Verstappen taking each other off at turn one and Norris leading :lol:

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