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JN23 wrote:Possibility that one of the Austria and one of the Silverstone races will replace qualifying with a reverse grid sprint race on Saturday to set the grid for Sunday’s race. Cars will be reverse championship order.

Teams were supportive but a final vote will take place this week.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-aims- ... 0-openers/

I am opposed to the idea as I like qualifying and don’t think that needs fixing (other than the Q2 tyre rule) but if F1 is going to experiment, it’ll probably never get a better chance than this season.

I say experiment away!

It's been blocked by Mercedes so I guess it's a none event, of course some other teams would love to start nearer the front of the grid, I guess you vote for what benefits you the most, however I believe the drivers themselves are not so keen, they see it as fake?

Am I right in saying:

Austrian Grand Prix
Red Bull Ring, SpielbergRed Bull Ring, Spielberg
3rd July to 5th July
2 Races



17th July British Grand Prix
British Grand Prix
SilverstoneSilverstone
17th July to 19th July
2 Races

So is Hungary still on?

Hungarian Grand Prix
Hungaroring, MogyorodHungaroring, Mogyorod
31st July to 2nd August

Option or Prime wrote:Am I right in saying:

Austrian Grand Prix
Red Bull Ring, SpielbergRed Bull Ring, Spielberg
3rd July to 5th July
2 Races



17th July British Grand Prix
British Grand Prix
SilverstoneSilverstone
17th July to 19th July
2 Races

So is Hungary still on?

Hungarian Grand Prix
Hungaroring, MogyorodHungaroring, Mogyorod
31st July to 2nd August

No I think it’s:
5th July: Austria 1
12th July: Austria 2
19th July: Hungary
2nd August: Silverstone 1
9th August: Silverstone 2

There should be some further confirmation in the next day or two.

First 8 races confirmed!

And there will be F2 each weekend too!

https://twitter.com/fia_f2/status/12677 ... 63841?s=21

Edit: And F3!

Finally something to look forward to, thanks for the info above gentlemen. So its:


3-5 July Austrian Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

10-12 July Steiermark Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

17-19 July Hungarian Grand Prix (Hungaroring)

31 July- 2 August British Grand Prix (Silverstone)

7-9 August 70th Anniversary Grand Prix (Silverstone)

14-16 August Spanish Grand Prix

28-30 August Belgian Grand Prix

4-6 September Italian Grand Prix

15-18 races so it will be close to a full season.

Also good to see both F2 and F3 is going to be run so young driver's careers will not be stalled.

I'm old school. I still think 16 races is sufficient for a full season.

Option or Prime wrote:Finally something to look forward to, thanks for the info above gentlemen. So its:


3-5 July Austrian Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

10-12 July Steiermark Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

17-19 July Hungarian Grand Prix (Hungaroring)

31 July- 2 August British Grand Prix (Silverstone)

7-9 August 70th Anniversary Grand Prix (Silverstone)

14-16 August Spanish Grand Prix

28-30 August Belgian Grand Prix

4-6 September Italian Grand Prix

Ok so it's looking increasingly probable we'll have a championship this year, these will fill the minimum amount of races but there will have to be races on at least three continents so that's still a box yet to be ticked.

Covalent wrote:

Option or Prime wrote:Finally something to look forward to, thanks for the info above gentlemen. So its:


3-5 July Austrian Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

10-12 July Steiermark Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

17-19 July Hungarian Grand Prix (Hungaroring)

31 July- 2 August British Grand Prix (Silverstone)

7-9 August 70th Anniversary Grand Prix (Silverstone)

14-16 August Spanish Grand Prix

28-30 August Belgian Grand Prix

4-6 September Italian Grand Prix

Ok so it's looking increasingly probable we'll have a championship this year, these will fill the minimum amount of races but there will have to be races on at least three continents so that's still a box yet to be ticked.

Is the continent rule actually a thing? I've linked the sporting regulations below and 5.4 says the minimum number of events for a championship is eight but there is no mention of it having to be on three continents.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 5-27_0.pdf

JN23 wrote:

Covalent wrote:

Option or Prime wrote:Finally something to look forward to, thanks for the info above gentlemen. So its:


3-5 July Austrian Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

10-12 July Steiermark Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

17-19 July Hungarian Grand Prix (Hungaroring)

31 July- 2 August British Grand Prix (Silverstone)

7-9 August 70th Anniversary Grand Prix (Silverstone)

14-16 August Spanish Grand Prix

28-30 August Belgian Grand Prix

4-6 September Italian Grand Prix

Ok so it's looking increasingly probable we'll have a championship this year, these will fill the minimum amount of races but there will have to be races on at least three continents so that's still a box yet to be ticked.

Is the continent rule actually a thing? I've linked the sporting regulations below and 5.4 says the minimum number of events for a championship is eight but there is no mention of it having to be on three continents.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 5-27_0.pdf

This is my source, which may of course be incorrect!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... n/4776044/

The other stipulation F1 must meet with any revised schedule concerns its classification as a world championship, as defined in the FIA's International Sporting Code.

Article 2.4.3.b.i states that in order to qualify as a world championship, the calendar "must include Competitions taking place on at least three continents during the same season."

Edit: Here you can find the International Sporting Code, and I assume F1 must adhere to it?
https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/123

Covalent wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Covalent wrote:

Option or Prime wrote:Finally something to look forward to, thanks for the info above gentlemen. So its:


3-5 July Austrian Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

10-12 July Steiermark Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

17-19 July Hungarian Grand Prix (Hungaroring)

31 July- 2 August British Grand Prix (Silverstone)

7-9 August 70th Anniversary Grand Prix (Silverstone)

14-16 August Spanish Grand Prix

28-30 August Belgian Grand Prix

4-6 September Italian Grand Prix

Ok so it's looking increasingly probable we'll have a championship this year, these will fill the minimum amount of races but there will have to be races on at least three continents so that's still a box yet to be ticked.

Is the continent rule actually a thing? I've linked the sporting regulations below and 5.4 says the minimum number of events for a championship is eight but there is no mention of it having to be on three continents.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 5-27_0.pdf

This is my source, which may of course be incorrect!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... n/4776044/

The other stipulation F1 must meet with any revised schedule concerns its classification as a world championship, as defined in the FIA's International Sporting Code.

Article 2.4.3.b.i states that in order to qualify as a world championship, the calendar "must include Competitions taking place on at least three continents during the same season."

Edit: Here you can find the International Sporting Code, and I assume F1 must adhere to it?
https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/123

Ah interesting, I wonder why more of this hasn’t been made. Racing in the Americas might be tough.

Covalent wrote:

JN23 wrote:Possibility that one of the Austria and one of the Silverstone races will replace qualifying with a reverse grid sprint race on Saturday to set the grid for Sunday’s race. Cars will be reverse championship order.

Teams were supportive but a final vote will take place this week.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-aims- ... 0-openers/

I am opposed to the idea as I like qualifying and don’t think that needs fixing (other than the Q2 tyre rule) but if F1 is going to experiment, it’ll probably never get a better chance than this season.

I say experiment away!

I agree, its a shame if Merc have blocked it, because back to back races at the same track has the potential to be incredibly dull. Especially if the weather is the same.

JN23 wrote:

Covalent wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Covalent wrote:

Option or Prime wrote:Finally something to look forward to, thanks for the info above gentlemen. So its:


3-5 July Austrian Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

10-12 July Steiermark Grand Prix (Red Bull Ring)

17-19 July Hungarian Grand Prix (Hungaroring)

31 July- 2 August British Grand Prix (Silverstone)

7-9 August 70th Anniversary Grand Prix (Silverstone)

14-16 August Spanish Grand Prix

28-30 August Belgian Grand Prix

4-6 September Italian Grand Prix

Ok so it's looking increasingly probable we'll have a championship this year, these will fill the minimum amount of races but there will have to be races on at least three continents so that's still a box yet to be ticked.

Is the continent rule actually a thing? I've linked the sporting regulations below and 5.4 says the minimum number of events for a championship is eight but there is no mention of it having to be on three continents.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 5-27_0.pdf

This is my source, which may of course be incorrect!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... n/4776044/

The other stipulation F1 must meet with any revised schedule concerns its classification as a world championship, as defined in the FIA's International Sporting Code.

Article 2.4.3.b.i states that in order to qualify as a world championship, the calendar "must include Competitions taking place on at least three continents during the same season."

Edit: Here you can find the International Sporting Code, and I assume F1 must adhere to it?
https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/123

Ah interesting, I wonder why more of this hasn’t been made. Racing in the Americas might be tough.

I suspect you are correct, what point would there be in running Grand Prix though without a World Champion, if its an issue wouldn't that be modified in some way?

Option or Prime wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Covalent wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Covalent wrote: Ok so it's looking increasingly probable we'll have a championship this year, these will fill the minimum amount of races but there will have to be races on at least three continents so that's still a box yet to be ticked.

Is the continent rule actually a thing? I've linked the sporting regulations below and 5.4 says the minimum number of events for a championship is eight but there is no mention of it having to be on three continents.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 5-27_0.pdf

This is my source, which may of course be incorrect!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... n/4776044/

The other stipulation F1 must meet with any revised schedule concerns its classification as a world championship, as defined in the FIA's International Sporting Code.

Article 2.4.3.b.i states that in order to qualify as a world championship, the calendar "must include Competitions taking place on at least three continents during the same season."

Edit: Here you can find the International Sporting Code, and I assume F1 must adhere to it?
https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/123

Ah interesting, I wonder why more of this hasn’t been made. Racing in the Americas might be tough.

I suspect you are correct, what point would there be in running Grand Prix though without a World Champion, if its an issue wouldn't that be modified in some way?

Yeah you’d think due to circumstances, they’d waive the rule. Does it really matter whether they race on two or three continents.

Herb wrote:
Back on topic, Mexico is aiming for the 1st of November. That would tick off a 2nd continent.

I'd bet the house on the Abu Dhabi GP happening in some form as the season ender, and that would be continent #3. Full house.

Flash2k11 wrote:

Herb wrote:
Back on topic, Mexico is aiming for the 1st of November. That would tick off a 2nd continent.

I'd bet the house on the Abu Dhabi GP happening in some form as the season ender, and that would be continent #3. Full house.

Yep don’t see Asia as a problem really. Coronavirus in the US isn’t good and there are fears Brazil could be the the next major outbreak. I know it’s 5/6 months away but hard to see races there happening. Good to see that Mexico are hopeful though.

Flash2k11 wrote:

Herb wrote:
Back on topic, Mexico is aiming for the 1st of November. That would tick off a 2nd continent.

I'd bet the house on the Abu Dhabi GP happening in some form as the season ender, and that would be continent #3. Full house.

Looks like we'll have a champion this year then. I'm still hoping for a Bottas WDC and even though a short calendar might favour him some of his best tracks are still missing.

cmberry20 wrote:I'm old school. I still think 16 races is sufficient for a full season.

I'm kind of with you on that one. Races (normally) come around so often these days. Back where there were something like 16 races, race weekends felt more special, more of a treat.

Its 16 races but not 16 tracks

If they are the same weather conditions and the first race is boring who is going to tune into the second one? They will have double the amount of practice and there will be no question marks about strategy


I cant see F1 going to South America. I was speaking to someone who used to live in Sao Paulo and they said the hospitals can't cope normally so theres no hope of them being able to deal with the virus. I think there will be massive problems then flying into other countries who have the virus under control as well

Id also be very surprised if they go to Asia. My grandparents are currently stuck in Thailand until at least the end of June and they still havent opened beaches there. MotoGP have cancelled going to Japan as well which is massive news because its home for a lot of the manufacturers. Possibly Sepang could hold a race

Agree Abu Dhabi is a shoo in. Would be very surprised if they didnt have 2 there. Due to the climate they can race year round so will be very easy to fit in

Why not an Australian GP? The Covid problem is well under control there. I also thought Japan was looking better now. By Oct/Nov a race should be viable..

tim3003 wrote:Why not an Australian GP? The Covid problem is well under control there. I also thought Japan was looking better now. By Oct/Nov a race should be viable..

They eased a lot of restrictions on June 1st but you still cant move between certain states without exemptions or quarantine and gyms and stuff like that are still closed in most of the country. NZ and Australia have both said there will be strict guidelines for international travel for extended period. Cant see them making exceptions for F1




F1 will be fine in USA. Its not like they'll be racing round Time Square

tim3003 wrote:Why not an Australian GP? The Covid problem is well under control there. I also thought Japan was looking better now. By Oct/Nov a race should be viable..

They've announced the initial races. There's times for more to be added for later in the year.

Option or Prime wrote:

pokerman wrote:
As already being said they are rioting in the cities so how does that affect F1 and in particular why would Hamilton be at risk?

A black man driving a car fast in the USA, I'd think the risk was obvious!

Seriously though, and I take the point made on China, can F1 go to the States or China for that matter this year, Covid-19 needs to be at least predictable.
How can the owners showcase F1 in the US with civil unrest a strong possibility. This year I can see the WDC needing to account for disruption for whatever reason.

The US GP is scheduled for October, right? I am not sure that the civil unrest will go on for another 4 months. I do not think that it will be that long.

I think we do need a separate thread for Hamilton's posts and what is happening in the US though.

The US race will go ahead unless the unrest (or COVID-19 outbreak) is so severe that the safety of F1 personnel would be at risk. The only precedent for this is when the Bahrain GP was cancelled a few years ago.

I would echo the thoughts above that cancelling the US GP on "moral" grounds would open a fairly substantial can of worms and is not a route that F1 should go down. If the sport starts taking political stances on these sorts of issues then similar arguments could then be made in relation to many of the other races currently on the calendar.

mikeyg123 wrote:I think it would be a hard sell for F1 to say they aren't going to the States on ethical grounds and then a few months later announce the Saudi Arabian GP for 2022 and beyond.

We might not go because of Covid though.

We will definitely get an Asia round as I would bet my bottom dollar Abu Dhabi happens. The Americas may be more difficult. If we don't get to go to three continents we will still have a drivers champion. He just won't be officially titled the World drivers champion.

I heard that Mexico is still on for the time being.

Anyone fancy a Sochi double header?

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ockenheim/ (In German)

JN23 wrote:Anyone fancy a Sochi double header?

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ockenheim/ (In German)

Odds are slashed on Bottas becoming 2021 champion.

JN23 wrote:Anyone fancy a Sochi double header?

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ockenheim/ (In German)

I do, for reasons stated by mikey
In all seriousness it usually produces quite good races so there aren't many better alternatives if and when we need to use double headers.

Covalent wrote:

JN23 wrote:Anyone fancy a Sochi double header?

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ockenheim/ (In German)

I do, for reasons stated by mikey
In all seriousness it usually produces quite good races so there aren't many better alternatives if and when we need to use double headers.

To be fair Bottas was a bit off the pace there last year. I agree though, don’t think the track is as bad as some say.

Ross Brawn has said racing on three continents won't be needed for a world champion to be crowned: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14978 ... ampionship

I know it's been mentioned that starting with a double header in Austria might be good news for Red Bull, but does anyone think it could work well for Ferrari too with the way their car has worked in the last couple of years? Leclerc was on pole last year and probably should have won the race.

F1 are moving on from reverse grid qualifying to looking at changing the tyre compounds available for the second weekend at double headers: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-m ... s/4801730/

JN23 wrote:F1 are moving on from reverse grid qualifying to looking at changing the tyre compounds available for the second weekend at double headers: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-m ... s/4801730/

I might be alone in this but I actually think it could be quite interesting to see races run with the exact same format. Would give a good opportunity to see how much a drivers performance differs from a good day to a bad day.

mikeyg123 wrote:

JN23 wrote:F1 are moving on from reverse grid qualifying to looking at changing the tyre compounds available for the second weekend at double headers: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-m ... s/4801730/

I might be alone in this but I actually think it could be quite interesting to see races run with the exact same format. Would give a good opportunity to see how much a drivers performance differs from a good day to a bad day.

I haven’t read the article but The Race have wrote about what same track races will reveal about teams https://the-race.com/formula-1/what-sam ... -f1-teams/

JN23 wrote:F1 are moving on from reverse grid qualifying to looking at changing the tyre compounds available for the second weekend at double headers: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-m ... s/4801730/

For me a much better solution.

JN23 wrote:F1 are moving on from reverse grid qualifying to looking at changing the tyre compounds available for the second weekend at double headers: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-m ... s/4801730/

That's a good idea, I think many underestimate the effect that the tyre compounds have on how the race plays out, more so than the circuit which tends to get the blame a lot of the time. We could get two very different races if different compounds are used.

interesting. give them a super soft and a rock hard tire. eliminate the "two tires must be used rule" for the second race.