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Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:35 pm
by JN23
Vettel confirmed today that there was never a contract and he was surprised to get the call from Binotto saying so.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53271660
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:41 pm
by j man
Hmm let's see here:
- Slower than team mate for much of the year
- Multiple unforced errors
- Ignoring team orders
- Crashing into team mate and eliminating both cars from a race
- Astronomical salary
Yes Seb, the lack of a contract offer is quite the mystery...
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:01 pm
by pc27b
those two with "elbows out" will be fun to watch. even if they are fighting for fourth or fifth place
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:30 am
by pendulumeffect
I think Baku 2017 was the turning point. He threw away his composure. After that the pressure and mistakes cost them driver and team dearly. It's a shame Vettel could not pull one championship out of the bag at Ferrari just to cement his status as a top F1 driver and not just the beneficiary of a dominant RedBull car in the early 2010s.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:48 pm
by kleefton
So he was fired then. Props to Seb for just saying it.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:53 pm
by mikeyg123
kleefton wrote:
So he was fired then. Props to Seb for just saying it.
More like released.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:02 pm
by Jezza13
mikeyg123 wrote:kleefton wrote:
So he was fired then. Props to Seb for just saying it.
More like released.
Well it was neither was it?
His employment contract came to an end & a new one wasn't negotiated. That's it.
To say he was fired or released implies that the terms of his contracted were broken & a termination agreement was negotiated. This wasn't the case.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:17 pm
by kleefton
mikeyg123 wrote:kleefton wrote:
So he was fired then. Props to Seb for just saying it.
More like released.
Released, fired, sacked. All the same to me. Bottom line is that he was no longer wanted within the team.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:52 pm
by Option or Prime
Heard him interviewed tonight, seems by all accounts that he is determined to show he is quicker than Leclerc. In the race preview it was suggested that he may well not adhere to team orders either. Could be interesting on track!
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:43 pm
by pokerman
kleefton wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:kleefton wrote:
So he was fired then. Props to Seb for just saying it.
More like released.
Released, fired, sacked. All the same to me. Bottom line is that he was no longer wanted within the team.
Yeah I don't understand the need for it to sound any different like Vettel was given a gold watched send off.
Both Vettel and Leclerc just wanted to beat one another and it simply didn't work like we saw in Brazil so the partnership needed to be split up.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:45 pm
by pokerman
Option or Prime wrote:Heard him interviewed tonight, seems by all accounts that he is determined to show he is quicker than Leclerc. In the race preview it was suggested that he may well not adhere to team orders either. Could be interesting on track!
Given the car is there any need for team orders apart from don't crash into one another?
Vettel's on the market, he needs to sell himself and Ferrari aren't winning any races soon, he needs to do the best for himself.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:18 pm
by mikeyg123
pokerman wrote:Option or Prime wrote:Heard him interviewed tonight, seems by all accounts that he is determined to show he is quicker than Leclerc. In the race preview it was suggested that he may well not adhere to team orders either. Could be interesting on track!
Given the car is there any need for team orders apart from don't crash into one another?
Vettel's on the market, he needs to sell himself and Ferrari aren't winning any races soon,
he needs to do the best for himself.
I'm not convinced we will notice a different
He's not particularly compliant with team orders anyway.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:53 pm
by pokerman
mikeyg123 wrote:pokerman wrote:Option or Prime wrote:Heard him interviewed tonight, seems by all accounts that he is determined to show he is quicker than Leclerc. In the race preview it was suggested that he may well not adhere to team orders either. Could be interesting on track!
Given the car is there any need for team orders apart from don't crash into one another?
Vettel's on the market, he needs to sell himself and Ferrari aren't winning any races soon,
he needs to do the best for himself.
I'm not convinced we will notice a different
He's not particularly compliant with team orders anyway.
No just saying there's not going to be much need to manage the drivers anyway given the car.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:04 am
by pc27b
pc27b wrote:those two with "elbows out" will be fun to watch. even if they are fighting for fourth or fifth place
sorry, i must correct myself. "fighting for 10th" not 4th or 5th ! ferrari is a mess
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:34 am
by Option or Prime
Ferrari may be a mess but if that is the case then Leclerc's 7th was a pretty good show. They have their redesign to come, which might improve their chances a bit. But you have to say that there is not a lot between Racing Point, Ferrari, Red Bull and the biggest surprise McLaren.
Little has been said but both the car and Norris did a fantastic job to get P4 on the grid, with not a lot between them I can see some terrific scrapping between, Perez, Leclerc, Albon, Sainz and Norris. Expect the W11s to disappear with Max chasing but the scarp for the midfield will be mighty.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:53 am
by DonkeyRhubarb
Apparently Vettel stormed out of the paddock after crashing out of the Styrian Grand Prix, causing Ferrari to cancel all of their post-race media sessions.
A further breakdown in the relationship between Vettel and Ferrari?
I'm starting to suspect he may leave the team before the season is over.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:31 am
by yodasarmpit
Option or Prime wrote:Ferrari may be a mess but if that is the case then Leclerc's 7th was a pretty good show. They have their redesign to come, which might improve their chances a bit. But you have to say that there is not a lot between Racing Point, Ferrari, Red Bull and the biggest surprise McLaren.
Little has been said but both the car and Norris did a fantastic job to get P4 on the grid, with not a lot between them I can see some terrific scrapping between, Perez, Leclerc, Albon, Sainz and Norris. Expect the W11s to disappear with Max chasing but the scarp for the midfield will be mighty.
The sad but true fact in the above, is you have included Albon in that midfield mix. Possible we might see Vettel in the Red Bull again, despite Horner's protestations to the contrary.
Vettel might have made quite a number of mistakes recently, but I'm confident he'd be a hell of a lot closer to Max than Alex is displaying at the moment.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:44 pm
by pokerman
DonkeyRhubarb wrote:Apparently Vettel stormed out of the paddock after crashing out of the Styrian Grand Prix, causing Ferrari to cancel all of their post-race media sessions.
A further breakdown in the relationship between Vettel and Ferrari?
I'm starting to suspect he may leave the team before the season is over.
Well what Leclerc did was just crazy, have Ferrari placed all their cards on Vettel mk2?
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:47 pm
by pokerman
yodasarmpit wrote:Option or Prime wrote:Ferrari may be a mess but if that is the case then Leclerc's 7th was a pretty good show. They have their redesign to come, which might improve their chances a bit. But you have to say that there is not a lot between Racing Point, Ferrari, Red Bull and the biggest surprise McLaren.
Little has been said but both the car and Norris did a fantastic job to get P4 on the grid, with not a lot between them I can see some terrific scrapping between, Perez, Leclerc, Albon, Sainz and Norris. Expect the W11s to disappear with Max chasing but the scarp for the midfield will be mighty.
The sad but true fact in the above, is you have included Albon in that midfield mix. Possible we might see Vettel in the Red Bull again, despite Horner's protestations to the contrary.
Vettel might have made quite a number of mistakes recently, but I'm confident he'd be a hell of a lot closer to Max than Alex is displaying at the moment.
Indeed Albon was too slow to be able to help Verstappen.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:15 pm
by Rockie
pokerman wrote:DonkeyRhubarb wrote:Apparently Vettel stormed out of the paddock after crashing out of the Styrian Grand Prix, causing Ferrari to cancel all of their post-race media sessions.
A further breakdown in the relationship between Vettel and Ferrari?
I'm starting to suspect he may leave the team before the season is over.
Well what Leclerc did was just crazy, have Ferrari placed all their cards on Vettel mk2?
After he wins 4 titles and does that then he can get the moniker Vettel Mk2
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:35 pm
by pokerman
Rockie wrote:pokerman wrote:DonkeyRhubarb wrote:Apparently Vettel stormed out of the paddock after crashing out of the Styrian Grand Prix, causing Ferrari to cancel all of their post-race media sessions.
A further breakdown in the relationship between Vettel and Ferrari?
I'm starting to suspect he may leave the team before the season is over.
Well what Leclerc did was just crazy, have Ferrari placed all their cards on Vettel mk2?
After he wins 4 titles and does that then he can get the moniker Vettel Mk2
Well for that he would need the best car on the grid, I'm not sure how much he can control that?
In the meantime in only his second season in F1 he already showed he was as good as Vettel hence Ferrari felt they could dispense with Vettel albeit imo they've replaced him with an inferior driver.
The only reason I see why they have done this is because of the poor on track dynamic between the two drivers, now I would have blamed Vettel moreso for this but after the last race I think Leclerc is just as much to blame hence the Vettel mk2 comment, I actually think he outdid anything Vettel managed to do.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:27 am
by kleefton
pokerman wrote:DonkeyRhubarb wrote:Apparently Vettel stormed out of the paddock after crashing out of the Styrian Grand Prix, causing Ferrari to cancel all of their post-race media sessions.
A further breakdown in the relationship between Vettel and Ferrari?
I'm starting to suspect he may leave the team before the season is over.
Well what Leclerc did was just crazy, have Ferrari placed all their cards on Vettel mk2?
I think it's a little too early to condemn Leclerc to being just a Vettel copycat. So far the good outweighs the bad. He makes some questionable decisions on track, but so do most young drivers. I think that guy has a tremendous future in the sport.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:07 am
by bourbon19
kleefton wrote:pokerman wrote:DonkeyRhubarb wrote:Apparently Vettel stormed out of the paddock after crashing out of the Styrian Grand Prix, causing Ferrari to cancel all of their post-race media sessions.
A further breakdown in the relationship between Vettel and Ferrari?
I'm starting to suspect he may leave the team before the season is over.
Well what Leclerc did was just crazy, have Ferrari placed all their cards on Vettel mk2?
I think it's a little too early to condemn Leclerc to being just a Vettel copycat. So far the good outweighs the bad. He makes some questionable decisions on track, but so do most young drivers. I think that guy has a tremendous future in the sport.
As he has not yet crested 1 WDC, let alone 4, I presume you mean a Ferrari-Vettel copycat, In which case, I am afraid Charles will be, unless Ferrari steps it up several notches in the near future.
The thing is, drivers like Vettel, Alonso, Prost had already made their mark on the sport before joining Ferrari - but what will these young drivers have if they are similarly summarily dismissed in the future?
Now Vettel is purportedly in talks with Aston Martin - we'll see.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:09 am
by bourbon19
bourbon19 wrote:kleefton wrote:pokerman wrote:DonkeyRhubarb wrote:Apparently Vettel stormed out of the paddock after crashing out of the Styrian Grand Prix, causing Ferrari to cancel all of their post-race media sessions.
A further breakdown in the relationship between Vettel and Ferrari?
I'm starting to suspect he may leave the team before the season is over.
Well what Leclerc did was just crazy, have Ferrari placed all their cards on Vettel mk2?
I think it's a little too early to condemn Leclerc to being just a Vettel copycat. So far the good outweighs the bad. He makes some questionable decisions on track, but so do most young drivers. I think that guy has a tremendous future in the sport.
As he has not yet crested 1 WDC, let alone 4, I presume you mean a Ferrari-Vettel copycat, In which case, I am afraid Charles will be, unless Ferrari steps it up several notches in the near future.
The thing is, drivers like Vettel, Alonso, Prost had already made their mark on the sport before joining Ferrari; something they retained after being shuffled out. But what will these young drivers have if they are similarly summarily dismissed by Ferrari in the future?
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:11 am
by Alienturnedhuman
Apparently Bild are reporting that Vettel will be driving the 2020 Mercedes next year at the expense of Perez who has a clause that his contract has a pay to end clause so long as it is triggered by July 31st.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:21 am
by Sutton
Apparently Bild are reporting that Vettel will be driving the
2020 Mercedes next year at the expense of Perez who has a clause that his contract has a pay to end clause so long as it is triggered by July 31st.
Post Posted: 15 Jul 2020 08:11
I see what you did there!!
If this turns out to be true...Red Bull should bring in Perez to partner Max.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:20 am
by Schumacher forever#1
Alienturnedhuman wrote:Apparently Bild are reporting that Vettel will be driving the 2020 Mercedes next year at the expense of Perez who has a clause that his contract has a pay to end clause so long as it is triggered by July 31st.
Damn, you had my hopes up for a second there!
Still, would be delighted to see Vettel stay in F1. I have high hopes that Laurence Stroll will take his F1 challenge seriously.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:48 am
by pokerman
Alienturnedhuman wrote:Apparently Bild are reporting that Vettel will be driving the 2020 Mercedes next year at the expense of Perez who has a clause that his contract has a pay to end clause so long as it is triggered by July 31st.
I see what you tried to do there but perhaps not so clever because the teams have to stick with the same cars for next year.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:32 pm
by Alienturnedhuman
pokerman wrote:Alienturnedhuman wrote:Apparently Bild are reporting that Vettel will be driving the 2020 Mercedes next year at the expense of Perez who has a clause that his contract has a pay to end clause so long as it is triggered by July 31st.
I see what you tried to do there but perhaps not so clever because the teams have to stick with the same cars for next year.
Lighten up, it was a joke! My position in the Renault thread is clearly on the Racing Point side.
Re: Sebastian Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of season
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:05 pm
by Rockie
bourbon19 wrote:kleefton wrote:pokerman wrote:DonkeyRhubarb wrote:Apparently Vettel stormed out of the paddock after crashing out of the Styrian Grand Prix, causing Ferrari to cancel all of their post-race media sessions.
A further breakdown in the relationship between Vettel and Ferrari?
I'm starting to suspect he may leave the team before the season is over.
Well what Leclerc did was just crazy, have Ferrari placed all their cards on Vettel mk2?
I think it's a little too early to condemn Leclerc to being just a Vettel copycat. So far the good outweighs the bad. He makes some questionable decisions on track, but so do most young drivers. I think that guy has a tremendous future in the sport.
As he has not yet crested 1 WDC, let alone 4, I presume you mean a Ferrari-Vettel copycat, In which case, I am afraid Charles will be, unless Ferrari steps it up several notches in the near future.
The thing is, drivers like Vettel, Alonso, Prost had already made their mark on the sport before joining Ferrari - but what will these young drivers have if they are similarly summarily dismissed in the future?
Now Vettel is purportedly in talks with Aston Martin - we'll see.
Exactly this!