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Breaking news, but is it really that surprising?

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No, not really I thought he might retire but he was clearly hanging in there for a contract. Not a clean way to leave F1 and it does throw up some interesting combination as the article mentions.

In a messed up season just feels like he will be an also ran!

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Not a surprise at all but seb has truly put himself in a bad position. What options does seb really have??? Go to lower team for and hope that they come good under the new rules??? Seb most likely retires from F1.

As for the ferrari seat, I hope Riccardo gets the seat and we get to see him fight for a title.
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I heard he was offered the same money as Leclerc $9M per season, given how much Vettel was being paid I couldn't understand why Leclerc would be happy with so little in comparison, I guess I got my answer and no way was Vettel going to drive for so little given what he's used to earning.

Given Vettel's stance that's probably him finished with F1, who's going to meet his demands, it seems pricing himself out of F1 similar to what the Hulk did, both drivers being out performed by their teammates and thinking that their standing in F1 remains unchanged.

Red Bull's stance is interesting, we're not teaming Verstappen with a tier 1 driver similar to their stance when Vettel was racking up all his titles, it's something that needs bookmarking.

Regarding Ricciardo would he be prepared to take a substantial pay cut at Ferrari, then again I don't see him getting paid the amount of money he's been getting at Renault, going forward not even from Renault themselves.
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Not a great surprise - assuming, of course, that it is indeed true. If that's the case, I'd like to see Ricciardo get the seat, but we'll see.
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When Ferrari gave Leclerc the long term contract it was clear that Vettel's days at Ferrari were numbered. He probably knew it then too. The only question remains whether he will be in F1 next year. Out of all the teams I think maybe Racing Point might decide to recruit him if they wanted for whatever reason to get rid of Checo? Far fetched I'd say. But Seb might be an upgrade over Checo and they might finally build a serious car... But the more likely scenario imo is that Seb will have to find another series and I do feel like he wants to keep racing. Won't be FE though.

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It has become increasingly clear that Ferrari is incapable of putting together a winning car. Charles won 2 races last year and that is held up as the brilliant standard for Ferrari. I have no regrets about Seb leaving the Italian team behind. McLaren is due for a rise, I hope he pops over there if he actually leaves.

On the other hand, I would not be at all shocked if Vettel retires. And that sad part about that is, if he did, I doubt he'd ever be persuaded to return. And why should he? 4 time world champion is nothing to sniff at. I'm good whatever he decides, though of course, I hope he continues.

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One name I saw tossed out for Seb's seat was Sainz...supposedly there has been talk of that matchup recently.
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It's a bit sad that he had the car to win the WDC in 2017 and 2018 but threw it away thanks to mistakes by both him and the team. He really should have accepted the pay cut unless he had an offer at Mercedes. He could win races at other teams but to win a championship again at a team other than the big three is going to require the new rules to shake things up dramatically.

I hope Daniel Ricciardo gets the seat in the mean time.

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Blake wrote:One name I saw tossed out for Seb's seat was Sainz...supposedly there has been talk of that matchup recently.
Sainz seems to have a lot of buzz about him but I don't really know why you would take Sainz over Ricciardo. We can compare them directly through Hulkenberg and Ricciardo clearly comes out better.

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I think Ferrari will go Sainz as he is more of a Bottas level driver who can pick up when Charles drops the ball.

Ricciardo is the best driver available (unless the foreign language Hamilton has been learning during the lockdown is Italian) but I feel that Ferrari will want to Leclerc to be their championship contender and partner him with a driver who will be reliable but not a challenger.

I'll add here that I think that Sainz (and Bottas) are both very capable drivers, just in the B+ A- level, whereas Vettel Leclerc and Ricciardo are all A/A+ level drivers.

As for Vettel, I guess it's retirement or filling the Ricciardo/Sainz shaped hole assuming it's one of them. I don't see him going to Aston Martin if they take Perez, and I think Mercedes would replace Hamilton with Ricciardo if Hamilton replaces Vettel.

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Speaking as a Vettel supporter I think this could be a good time for him to retire. If and when he leaves Ferrari it's very unlikely he'll fight for a championship again and I just don't see him as a driver that wants to be there just to make up the numbers. That said I wouldn't mind seeing him resume his career at e.g. McLaren.

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Let's look at his options:

Mercedes: Unless Hamilton leaves and Mercedes want a German driver, it's a no
Renault: If Ricciardo moves to Ferrari, it's possible, but I doubt they'll build a good enough car in the next few years. More likely Renault will pull out of F1 IMO
McLaren: If Sainz moves to Ferrari it might be a good move if McLaren continue their upward momentum
RP (AM): No chance
Alfa Romeo: Given their links to Ferrari, I doubt it. Although it'll be funny to see a Vettel/Kimi link-up again!
Haas: No chance
Williams: No chance
Alpha Tauri: No chance

At the end of the day, he's a 4xWDC and despite his error-strewn past few seasons, he has the experience to help develop a team aiming to move up.
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pendulumeffect wrote:It's a bit sad that he had the car to win the WDC in 2017 and 2018 but threw it away thanks to mistakes by both him and the team. He really should have accepted the pay cut unless he had an offer at Mercedes. He could win races at other teams but to win a championship again at a team other than the big three is going to require the new rules to shake things up dramatically.

I hope Daniel Ricciardo gets the seat in the mean time.
2017 and 2018 are always thrown together in the same basket, I suppose it is tempting because they were back-to-back, but they really aren’t the same.

In 2017, Mercedes had the best car and it would have taken a perfect season to win the title with the Ferrari. Vettel’s season, although not quite as good as Hamilton, was still strong overall.

In 2018, Ferrari was at least as good as Mercedes and Vettel was horrible.

Not the same thing.

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Btw, I don’t believe that Vettel will go to McLaren or Renault. He will just retire in all likelihood.

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KingVoid wrote:
pendulumeffect wrote:It's a bit sad that he had the car to win the WDC in 2017 and 2018 but threw it away thanks to mistakes by both him and the team. He really should have accepted the pay cut unless he had an offer at Mercedes. He could win races at other teams but to win a championship again at a team other than the big three is going to require the new rules to shake things up dramatically.

I hope Daniel Ricciardo gets the seat in the mean time.
2017 and 2018 are always thrown together in the same basket, I suppose it is tempting because they were back-to-back, but they really aren’t the same.

In 2017, Mercedes had the best car and it would have taken a perfect season to win the title with the Ferrari. Vettel’s season, although not quite as good as Hamilton, was still strong overall.

In 2018, Ferrari was at least as good as Mercedes and Vettel was horrible.

Not the same thing.
I think the cars were close enough in 2017 that which ever driver did the best job in a Ferrari or Mercedes would win the championship. Vettel still made a lot of mistakes in 2017.

TBH he's been making more mistakes than you would expect from a multi world champion since 2016.


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And Ferrari: https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/formula1/ ... r-contract

A shame that Vettel will probably now retire from F1, I’ll miss him. I would have thought some certainty in uncertain times would actually be a benefit for Ferrari but can also understand why they wanted to cut his salary.

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Martin Brundle is saying that Vettel is talking to another team: https://twitter.com/mbrundlef1/status/1 ... 50720?s=21

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It's not surprise that the Ferrari-Vettel relationship has soured. There were signs of it, both sides feeling that they were let down by the other, Ferrari seeming to have a greater affinity for Leclerc. So no surprise there.

That said, the fact that this puts Vettel in an Alonso-like position is symptomatic of how much the extended dominance of one team hurts the sport. Some of the best drivers in F1's history are leaving or languishing in teams that simply can't challenge.

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What about Bottas to Ferrari? A proven track record of being a solid number 2 and might actually be better than Sainz if that’s the route they want to go down.

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JN23 wrote:What about Bottas to Ferrari? A proven track record of being a solid number 2 and might actually be better than Sainz if that’s the route they want to go down.
I don't think Bottas is better than Sainz, but he would be easier to manage in a number 2 status if that is what they are seeking.

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I think Sergio Perez could be a perfect #2 driver if he was willing to accept that role, which I don’t think he is. Perez seems too competitive.

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KingVoid wrote:I think Sergio Perez could be a perfect #2 driver if he was willing to accept that role, which I don’t think he is. Perez seems too competitive.
It would be good see what Pérez could actually do in a car towards the front of a field. He signed a Three year contract with RP though from memory, which probably rules him out.

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Yeah not a surprise after Ferrari offered only a 1yr deal. Seems like they really had little interest in keeping Vettel.

Most say Sainz & Ricciardo are the 2 favorites for the gig but I think Nico Hulkenberg could be a real dark horse here.

He'd be the perfect wing man for Leclerc
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If he isn't stupid with his financial demands, it'll be Ricciardo.

Somewhat lost in all this is it's widely reported that Ferrari offered Seb an extension on the same terms as Leclerc. So it's not like they're saying they want a number two driver; they just didn't want to pay Leclerc's partner (tons) more than he's earning, which is fair enough. Daniel has shown he can co-exist with competitive teammates, never really coming to blows with either Seb or Max, even after their incident in Baku. It's clear from his recent comments that he would jump at the chance to leave Renault for a more competitive car, and I would hope that having been well compensated for his misstep to Renault, this time around he'd place more of an emphasis on having a competitive car rather than grabbing big $$$.

As for Sainz, I cannot see Ferrari signing him as anything but Leclerc's number two. As strong as his 2019 was, he has one podium to his name and doesn't come with anywhere near the clout that Ricciardo would. He's not walking into Ferrari and getting equal footing with Charles. Would he go there and play wingman? It isn't like there is any uncertainty over Leclerc's future with Ferrari and if he's not going to be given the chance to fight with him, it's going to be very, very hard for Carlos to ever be more than their second driver. Is that a better role, a better career trajectory than staying with McLaren and hoping they nail the new regulations, knowing he would then be in a stronger position? It's a tough call.
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This is gonna suck for both Ferrari and Vettel.

As much as I like Charles I don't think he is yet ready to be a team leader. He also makes costly mistakes every now and then. Sure Seb made them in last 3 years as well but he at least knows how to win tense championships. I think Ferrari will miss that.

As far as Vettel is concerned, this will end his championship dream. No non-factory team will win F1 championship going forward. That rules our McLaren and only leaves Renault. I have less faith in today's Renault that I had in HRT.

This is such a bad situation to be in for Ferrari to be honest. I know most people on these forums rate Daniel Ricciardo very highly. I don't. I never did. I think he is a good driver, a race winner, but not championship material unless he gets a ridiculously dominant car with a useless teammate. I like him, but I don't think he is cream of the crop kinda driver.
Sainz, again the same.
If I were Ferrari, I will see if I can get Hulk on the cheap. Pair him with Leclerc for a year and see how things goes and take a call next year again if needed, Or throw in a young academy driver in there. There gotta be someone who they think can be future championship material. Go full Yolo as I dont think they have anything more to lose at this point.

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Vettel has always been his own worst enemy.

I would suggest that he try to shadow Alonso, in the various formulas - that might garner some real public interest.

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It would be amusing if the rest of this season was binned off, Ricciardo went to Ferrari and Hulk just went back to Renault as if nothing ever happened and he didn't miss a race. I don't think it will happen, just saying.
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There is no way that Ricciardo is going to blow his chances at a Ferrari seat by asking too much money. Ricciardo is 30 years old, his next career move can make or break his career. His legacy depends on it.

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Greenman wrote:.

Vettel has always been his own worst enemy.

I would suggest that he try to shadow Alonso, in the various formulas - that might garner some real public interest.

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I don't think Vettel has any pull or desire to be somewhere else outside F1. Alonso always had that drive and will. Vettle has never said anything about non-F1 formulas and motorsports before like Alonso did even when he was racing in F1.

IMHO Vettel will either be in F1 or he will retire. He had made it very clear that his priorities going forward will revolve around family. Trying 10 different sports in a year than a fixed F1 calender with streamlined logistics and travel is not something I see Vettel being interested in. And as I said, he never showed any desire to race elsewhere.

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I think Sainz has been somewhat over rated at least regarding his ability to be in a top team. Though it is very hard to argue with anyone that he looked one of the very best last season. But I think there are some reasons behind it and I think he looks better than he actually is.


McLaren had an all new driver line up, one of which was a rookie. They got rid of the engine that they just couldn't seem to get on with. Then instantly if you look at the drivers performances, it looks like both of them were better than Alonso. Well I don't think that was the case. The car was significantly better last year than before hand. The majority of the time, I think it was best of the rest and somewhat ahead of them, and some distance behind the top 3 making Sainz's races look solid but unspectacular - and possibly one reason for lack of coverage. He was great in Brazil and several others though. But in his past, some of his wheel to wheel racing in 2017 and 2018 for example was awful. He caused more retirements than any other driver one year.

I also don't think Sainz looks very good in qualifying. It was 10 - 10 when it was fair to compare their results. Not great for your 5th year if F1 against a rookie. But he showed he was clearly better in the race. I think Sainz is doing a very good job at McLaren overall and he seems comfortable there and is a good team leader. Him and Norris get on extremely well. I really doubt McLaren will change their line up.

As others have said, I think Ricciardo is probably the best option. Things are not working out at Renault and although he clearly looked worse than Sainz last year, I personally think his pace is far better than Sainz or any other team mates that have been against Verstappen. I think this shows that when he's in a top team, he certainly can be very good.
Unless it is clear Perez wants to stay leading Racing Point / Aston Martin, I think he would be a decent option too. If not and Bottas isn't still at Mercedes for 2021 (I think he probably will stay), then I think he will be a reliable option too.

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I hope he doesn't retire. He still has such a lot to offer a team, but If a top seat fails to emerge for him, I'm not convinced that he would have the energy to wait out a long term project.

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bourbon19 wrote:It has become increasingly clear that Ferrari is incapable of putting together a winning car. Charles won 2 races last year and that is held up as the brilliant standard for Ferrari. I have no regrets about Seb leaving the Italian team behind. McLaren is due for a rise, I hope he pops over there if he actually leaves.

On the other hand, I would not be at all shocked if Vettel retires. And that sad part about that is, if he did, I doubt he'd ever be persuaded to return. And why should he? 4 time world champion is nothing to sniff at. I'm good whatever he decides, though of course, I hope he continues.
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JN23 wrote:What about Bottas to Ferrari? A proven track record of being a solid number 2 and might actually be better than Sainz if that’s the route they want to go down.
Well it's a weird season anyway - how about Bottas and Vettel swap places right now and we get the showdown we've wanted for however many races we get this year!

While we're at it, stick Charles in the Red Bull and let the youngsters fight it out too.

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TedStriker wrote:
JN23 wrote:What about Bottas to Ferrari? A proven track record of being a solid number 2 and might actually be better than Sainz if that’s the route they want to go down.
Well it's a weird season anyway - how about Bottas and Vettel swap places right now and we get the showdown we've wanted for however many races we get this year!

While we're at it, stick Charles in the Red Bull and let the youngsters fight it out too.
Leaving Hülkenberg and Bottas to fight it out in a dominant Ferrari that sandbagged massively in testing :lol:

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Blake wrote:One name I saw tossed out for Seb's seat was Sainz...supposedly there has been talk of that matchup recently.
Aus media are saying Sainz > Ferrari, Ricciardo > Mclaren. I think it’s based on stories that Ricciardo was close to signing with Mclaren before he went to Renault

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i too believe vettel could just walk away. he lives a private life and i don't see him pulling a hulkenburg whenever he walks away.

sainz: not sure why he seems to be the front runner ?
ricciardo: seems he should be calling binotto with a reasonable salary request, and he's in
hamilton: i'm sure talks have happened, but unless he knows merc is out of f1, doubt it happens
bottas: ok with being #2, could bring some merc knowledge with him
hulk: could offer to drive for only 500,000 and potential bonuses, so big money savings for ferrari

wildcard: with the season not starting, some team(mclaren?) swaps drivers with ferrari before the 2020 season starts?

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I think Vettel is my 2nd favorite driver so it would be great if he can go to Mercedes some how. But if Mercedes and RBR seat is not available for him. I think he will retire. He has said many times he enjoys racing but I am not sure he want to go to midfield teams.
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And now, it's being reported that Sainz will replace Vettel at Ferrari, Ricciardo to McLaren and Either Vettel or Alonso at Renault!!!

What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin' on here??!?!?

If this is true then Hamilton will stay put at Mercedes at least for the time being and Bottas's seat is seemingly safe for the moment as well.
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