Re: Silly Season 2021
Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 10:55 am
i would like to see these driver changes take place now, for the 2020 season, whatever that ends up being
Whilst Autosport are running an article that Mercedes are staying in F1 with Wolff.Covalent wrote:Auto Bild are reporting this will be Wolff's last season as team principal of the Mercedes F1 team.
https://f1-insider.com/f1/formel-1-news ... ef-zuruck/
I quite like seeing Leclerc/Vettel part 2 and Ricciardo against Ocon.pc27b wrote:i would like to see these driver changes take place now, for the 2020 season, whatever that ends up being
The only change I see Mercedes making is replacing Bottas with Russell, Hamilton will stay with Mercedes unless he decides to retire which doesn't seem to be on the cards any time soon.TheGiantHogweed wrote:https://www.racefans.net/2020/06/03/mer ... ays-wolff/
Can anyone see a reason for Hamilton or Bottas to leave? If anything, I now can't even say it is any more likely that Bottas will leave at the end of this year than Hamilton. I still expect both will stay. If bottas was a good as last year, or improves (is still possible), then even though russel deserves a better team, I don't know why Mercedes would want to risk any changes. If there was any change in driver line up (which I don't think will happen next year) at Mercedes, I feel Vettel and Bottas would be the best combination. I do think that with a new and strong team, Vettel may be able to be very good again. I still think he has it in him to be better than Bottas, but I just don't think him and Hamilton as team mates will work. Would be worse than Rosberg vs Hamilton I think. And Russel is just not experienced enough yet IMO.
If Hamilton signs a long term contract then Bottas may go elsewhere if he gets a good offer. It would be a risk to sign a one year deal at Mercedes with the prospect of Russell or Ocon probably replacing you after that and turn down a big multi year contract elsewhere.TheGiantHogweed wrote:https://www.racefans.net/2020/06/03/mer ... ays-wolff/
Can anyone see a reason for Hamilton or Bottas to leave? If anything, I now can't even say it is any more likely that Bottas will leave at the end of this year than Hamilton. I still expect both will stay. If bottas was a good as last year, or improves (is still possible), then even though russel deserves a better team, I don't know why Mercedes would want to risk any changes. If there was any change in driver line up (which I don't think will happen next year) at Mercedes, I feel Vettel and Bottas would be the best combination. I do think that with a new and strong team, Vettel may be able to be very good again. I still think he has it in him to be better than Bottas, but I just don't think him and Hamilton as team mates will work. Would be worse than Rosberg vs Hamilton I think. And Russel is just not experienced enough yet IMO.
I think Renault would be a good move for Bottas if his contract is renewed or decides that he wants a change.mikeyg123 wrote:If Hamilton signs a long term contract then Bottas may go elsewhere if he gets a good offer. It would be a risk to sign a one year deal at Mercedes with the prospect of Russell or Ocon probably replacing you after that and turn down a big multi year contract elsewhere.TheGiantHogweed wrote:https://www.racefans.net/2020/06/03/mer ... ays-wolff/
Can anyone see a reason for Hamilton or Bottas to leave? If anything, I now can't even say it is any more likely that Bottas will leave at the end of this year than Hamilton. I still expect both will stay. If bottas was a good as last year, or improves (is still possible), then even though russel deserves a better team, I don't know why Mercedes would want to risk any changes. If there was any change in driver line up (which I don't think will happen next year) at Mercedes, I feel Vettel and Bottas would be the best combination. I do think that with a new and strong team, Vettel may be able to be very good again. I still think he has it in him to be better than Bottas, but I just don't think him and Hamilton as team mates will work. Would be worse than Rosberg vs Hamilton I think. And Russel is just not experienced enough yet IMO.
Well he's been in contact with Renault, I wonder given the choice wether he'd take a 2 year deal with Renault or a 1 year deal with Mercedes?JN23 wrote:I think Renault would be a good move for Bottas if his contract is renewed or decides that he wants a change.mikeyg123 wrote:If Hamilton signs a long term contract then Bottas may go elsewhere if he gets a good offer. It would be a risk to sign a one year deal at Mercedes with the prospect of Russell or Ocon probably replacing you after that and turn down a big multi year contract elsewhere.TheGiantHogweed wrote:https://www.racefans.net/2020/06/03/mer ... ays-wolff/
Can anyone see a reason for Hamilton or Bottas to leave? If anything, I now can't even say it is any more likely that Bottas will leave at the end of this year than Hamilton. I still expect both will stay. If bottas was a good as last year, or improves (is still possible), then even though russel deserves a better team, I don't know why Mercedes would want to risk any changes. If there was any change in driver line up (which I don't think will happen next year) at Mercedes, I feel Vettel and Bottas would be the best combination. I do think that with a new and strong team, Vettel may be able to be very good again. I still think he has it in him to be better than Bottas, but I just don't think him and Hamilton as team mates will work. Would be worse than Rosberg vs Hamilton I think. And Russel is just not experienced enough yet IMO.
I only ever viewed Vettel as an option to replace Hamilton if he retired.JN23 wrote:Bottas has been told that Mercedes aren’t considering Vettel, according to Bottas.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merc ... 1/4804802/
It's being discussed in a separate thread.K.F. wrote:And He is. Not too many people here talk about it. I think this is positive news.
I'd feel bad for Perez if Vettel does indeed replace him. While Perez is under contract, I wouldn't be surprised if the holding company releases him for the marketable Sebastian Vettel.Covalent wrote:I'm reading some rumors that Seb will be announced an AM driver.
Move would make sense IMO. It would be a real statement of intent from Aston Martin to come in and sign a 4x WDC, having someone of his experience would no doubt help in terms of giving insight into how championship contending teams operate.Covalent wrote:I'm reading some rumors that Seb will be announced an AM driver.
If they replace Perez with Vettel, it would be a huge mistake. Vettel should be joining the team at the expense of Stroll.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I'd feel bad for Perez if Vettel does indeed replace him. While Perez is under contract, I wouldn't be surprised if the holding company releases him for the marketable Sebastian Vettel.Covalent wrote:I'm reading some rumors that Seb will be announced an AM driver.
It was also interesting to see Horner and Verstappen on a chat show with Vettel, who all seemed a little too friendly with each other.
Perez has a contract until the end of 2022, Stroll I believe was only confirmed for 2020.Charles LeBrad wrote:If they replace Perez with Vettel, it would be a huge mistake. Vettel should be joining the team at the expense of Stroll.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I'd feel bad for Perez if Vettel does indeed replace him. While Perez is under contract, I wouldn't be surprised if the holding company releases him for the marketable Sebastian Vettel.Covalent wrote:I'm reading some rumors that Seb will be announced an AM driver.
It was also interesting to see Horner and Verstappen on a chat show with Vettel, who all seemed a little too friendly with each other.
I guess if he comes on board, the decision on who he replaces will determine if they're serious about being successful or not.
I think that's Vettel all but confirmed.JN23 wrote:Christian Horner has just ruled out Vettel going back to Red Bull on Sky pretty emphatically. I guess we knew that wasn’t going to happen anyway.
Had to laugh when he said that their commitment was to their existing drivers though
But how much kudo does Vettels name actually carry these days? 4 X WDC true enough, but last one 7 years ago, currently being beaten by a noob and unwanted by is current team.Black_Flag_11 wrote:Move would make sense IMO. It would be a real statement of intent from Aston Martin to come in and sign a 4x WDC, having someone of his experience would no doubt help in terms of giving insight into how championship contending teams operate.Covalent wrote:I'm reading some rumors that Seb will be announced an AM driver.
Still a 4x WDC and still one of the top drivers on the grid. Hard to see anyone better available, unless they wanted youth, in which case Russell would be a good shout with the Merc connection.DOLOMITE wrote:But how much kudo does Vettels name actually carry these days? 4 X WDC true enough, but last one 7 years ago, currently being beaten by a noob and unwanted by is current team.Black_Flag_11 wrote:Move would make sense IMO. It would be a real statement of intent from Aston Martin to come in and sign a 4x WDC, having someone of his experience would no doubt help in terms of giving insight into how championship contending teams operate.Covalent wrote:I'm reading some rumors that Seb will be announced an AM driver.
It seems surprising that the confirmation for Bottas remaining has come both this early and before hamilton's deal. I am aware a more early decision may make sense because of the circumstances, but I'm assuming Hamilton will stay as well. It could also be that as the article mentions, it possibly helps Bottas focus a bit better knowing his placement for next year.JN23 wrote:Looks like Bottas is staying with Merc for 2021: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/15055 ... 21-f1-deal
Honestly, in 2021, I'd rather see Perez in a good car than Vettel.mikeyg123 wrote:Vettel to Racing Point is a rumour that is really gaining traction. Big shame for Perez if so. If anyone deserves a run in a good car it's him.
He'll adjust to the challenge.Option or Prime wrote:As a team principal wouldn't you wait to see who wins the battle of the midfield, Vettel is fine in a dominant car but when it comes to scrapping I would have though Perez is the guy to have on your team.
I can't see Vettel finishing too many races to be honest, the midfield is a war zone!
Why another series? I would say there might be another drive for him in F1. Does he still have financial backing?pokerman wrote:In an ideal world it should be Vettel and Perez, if true I feel gutted for Perez as he finally gets in a decent car and then gets dropped the following season, leaving Stroll in one of the cars is not exactly maximising results.
Given what Perez has said in the past about only waiting so long to get a decent car I can see him wanting to walk away from F1 in disgust however he's too young to retire from the sport, there might not be a better alternative for him in other series?
The Stroll who qualified just behind Perez and finished right behind Perez ? He could be too tough for Vettel, except if they turn Racing Point into a one driver team*, Red Bull style...BMWSauber84 wrote:Vettel signing would be a huge statement of intent from Aston Martin. It would be very odd to do that and then have Lance Stroll in the other car, so they have to keep Perez IMO.
I think that's a bit optimistic but we will see.bourbon19 wrote:He'll adjust to the challenge.Option or Prime wrote:As a team principal wouldn't you wait to see who wins the battle of the midfield, Vettel is fine in a dominant car but when it comes to scrapping I would have though Perez is the guy to have on your team.
I can't see Vettel finishing too many races to be honest, the midfield is a war zone!
Perez said there is only so many years that he's prepared to make up the numbers in F1, losing such a competitive seat might be the last straw for him.bourbon19 wrote:He'll adjust to the challenge.Option or Prime wrote:As a team principal wouldn't you wait to see who wins the battle of the midfield, Vettel is fine in a dominant car but when it comes to scrapping I would have though Perez is the guy to have on your team.
I can't see Vettel finishing too many races to be honest, the midfield is a war zone!
Why another series? I would say there might be another drive for him in F1. Does he still have financial backing?pokerman wrote:In an ideal world it should be Vettel and Perez, if true I feel gutted for Perez as he finally gets in a decent car and then gets dropped the following season, leaving Stroll in one of the cars is not exactly maximising results.
Given what Perez has said in the past about only waiting so long to get a decent car I can see him wanting to walk away from F1 in disgust however he's too young to retire from the sport, there might not be a better alternative for him in other series?
All the options will be with back marker teams though.Black_Flag_11 wrote:If it happens I see Perez getting another drive if he wants it. Rumours are that Racing Point have until the end of July to buy Perez out of his contract, so he would likely be made aware soon if it was going to happen.
That should give him time to talk with other teams, there are a few potential openings, he's highly rated and unless something has changed he brings a decent amount of money with him. I see him having a few options personally.
He only finished just behind Perez because of Perez busted his front wing. Stroll's race pace is nowhere near as strong as that of his teammate, and the gap between them is even more obvious in a stronger car.Harpo wrote:The Stroll who qualified just behind Perez and finished right behind Perez ? He could be too tough for Vettel, except if they turn Racing Point into a one driver team*, Red Bull style...BMWSauber84 wrote:Vettel signing would be a huge statement of intent from Aston Martin. It would be very odd to do that and then have Lance Stroll in the other car, so they have to keep Perez IMO.
1- And Stroll didn't...BMWSauber84 wrote:He only finished just behind Perez because of Perez busted his front wing - 1. Stroll's race pace is nowhere near as strong as that of his teammate, and the gap between them is even more obvious in a stronger car.Harpo wrote:The Stroll who qualified just behind Perez and finished right behind Perez ? He could be too tough for Vettel, except if they turn Racing Point into a one driver team*, Red Bull style...BMWSauber84 wrote:Vettel signing would be a huge statement of intent from Aston Martin. It would be very odd to do that and then have Lance Stroll in the other car, so they have to keep Perez IMO.
If Aston Martin have ambitions to be at the front of the field within the decade, they will need a more competent second driver - 2.
The point is that Perez is a lot stronger than daddy's little soldier. The second half of last season was a trouncing, I have no doubt that this season will also be.Harpo wrote:1- And Stroll didn't...BMWSauber84 wrote:He only finished just behind Perez because of Perez busted his front wing - 1. Stroll's race pace is nowhere near as strong as that of his teammate, and the gap between them is even more obvious in a stronger car.Harpo wrote:The Stroll who qualified just behind Perez and finished right behind Perez ? He could be too tough for Vettel, except if they turn Racing Point into a one driver team*, Red Bull style...BMWSauber84 wrote:Vettel signing would be a huge statement of intent from Aston Martin. It would be very odd to do that and then have Lance Stroll in the other car, so they have to keep Perez IMO.
If Aston Martin have ambitions to be at the front of the field within the decade, they will need a more competent second driver - 2.
2- Agreed... Which is ruling out hiring Vettel.