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The IndyCar race around Watkin's Glen was excellent -- by far the best replacement for real racing yet IMO. It contained nothing but real Indy drivers (and most of them at that), and everyone took it seriously; no silly ramming overtakes or clowning around. I'm definitely looking forward to watching future installments of that series, and I think F1 could learn a thing or two from them...

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I just watched the 2nd NASCAR virtual race, and was surprised at it to be honest. Apparently it is generating a following and even team sponsors are getting on board.

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The IndyCar race around Watkin's Glen was excellent -- by far the best replacement for real racing yet IMO. It contained nothing but real Indy drivers (and most of them at that), and everyone took it seriously; no silly ramming overtakes or clowning around. I'm definitely looking forward to watching future installments of that series, and I think F1 could learn a thing or two from them...

The most realistic I've watched thus far, having relevant drivers, good graphics, and they also had damage on so the drivers couldn't treat the race as a bumping car race.

The drivers themselves treated the race seriously, when you have the likes of someone like Johnny Herbert treated the racing as a joke then it becomes a joke.

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Just watched the Indy Car race and it was really good. What I also like is the following 5 races. A couple at already chosen circuits, one a drivers choice from the season, one a fans choice and then the final race will be at any circuit in the world that isn't normally used for Indy Car racing. Brilliant idea.

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It was great. Honestly, they need to get the F1 guys all over this. No reason why it shouldn't be possible to get every F1 driver in doing something similar every F1 weekend we miss.


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It was great. Honestly, they need to get the F1 guys all over this. No reason why it shouldn't be possible to get every F1 driver in doing something similar every F1 weekend we miss.

F1 driver looks at his contract, no that's not in my contract. :)

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pokerman wrote:
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It was great. Honestly, they need to get the F1 guys all over this. No reason why it shouldn't be possible to get every F1 driver in doing something similar every F1 weekend we miss.

F1 driver looks at his contract, no that's not in my contract. :)


Is it in the Indycar drivers contracts then?


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mikeyg123 wrote:
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It was great. Honestly, they need to get the F1 guys all over this. No reason why it shouldn't be possible to get every F1 driver in doing something similar every F1 weekend we miss.

F1 driver looks at his contract, no that's not in my contract. :)


Is it in the Indycar drivers contracts then?


No, but we all know that F1 contracts for drivers and teams are probably the least flexible in the world. God forbid a driver appears to be eating. drinking or whatever, a product that got something to do with another team.

That said, Lando Norris is managing as he's going live every evening this week, apart from today that is. Look up #challengelando

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mikeyg123 wrote:
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It was great. Honestly, they need to get the F1 guys all over this. No reason why it shouldn't be possible to get every F1 driver in doing something similar every F1 weekend we miss.

F1 driver looks at his contract, no that's not in my contract. :)


Is it in the Indycar drivers contracts then?

No the point I was making is that Indycar drivers are probably more accommodating.

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pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
It was great. Honestly, they need to get the F1 guys all over this. No reason why it shouldn't be possible to get every F1 driver in doing something similar every F1 weekend we miss.

F1 driver looks at his contract, no that's not in my contract. :)


Is it in the Indycar drivers contracts then?

No the point I was making is that Indycar drivers are probably more accommodating.


It's a shame. It doesn't reflect well


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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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It was great. Honestly, they need to get the F1 guys all over this. No reason why it shouldn't be possible to get every F1 driver in doing something similar every F1 weekend we miss.

F1 driver looks at his contract, no that's not in my contract. :)


Is it in the Indycar drivers contracts then?

No the point I was making is that Indycar drivers are probably more accommodating.


It's a shame. It doesn't reflect well

No it doesn't but some are sim specialists and most probably aren't, you're bound to get some reading too much into the race results, see put them in equal cars and see who's the best etc.

In particularly Hamilton getting beat by the likes of Norris would probably kick off on that narrative and Hamilton in particular is probably aware of that.

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pokerman wrote:
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pokerman wrote:
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F1 driver looks at his contract, no that's not in my contract. :)


Is it in the Indycar drivers contracts then?

No the point I was making is that Indycar drivers are probably more accommodating.


It's a shame. It doesn't reflect well

No it doesn't but some are sim specialists and most probably aren't, you're bound to get some reading too much into the race results, see put them in equal cars and see who's the best etc.

In particularly Hamilton getting beat by the likes of Norris would probably kick off on that narrative and Hamilton in particular is probably aware of that.


Would it though? Doesn't all this apply to Indycar as well? Has that kicked off any narratives?

I struggle to believe someone as successful as Hamilton could be that insecure....


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mikeyg123 wrote:
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No it doesn't but some are sim specialists and most probably aren't, you're bound to get some reading too much into the race results, see put them in equal cars and see who's the best etc.

In particularly Hamilton getting beat by the likes of Norris would probably kick off on that narrative and Hamilton in particular is probably aware of that.

Would it though? Doesn't all this apply to Indycar as well? Has that kicked off any narratives?

I struggle to believe someone as successful as Hamilton could be that insecure....

No, it hasn't. Alexander Rossi has been pretty useless in the sim so far, and I haven't seen so much as a single person suggest that's because he's actually not quick.

I have seen people suggesting Sage Karam is better than previously thought after he won, but it only appears to go in that direction, not the other way.

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Exediron wrote:
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No it doesn't but some are sim specialists and most probably aren't, you're bound to get some reading too much into the race results, see put them in equal cars and see who's the best etc.

In particularly Hamilton getting beat by the likes of Norris would probably kick off on that narrative and Hamilton in particular is probably aware of that.

Would it though? Doesn't all this apply to Indycar as well? Has that kicked off any narratives?

I struggle to believe someone as successful as Hamilton could be that insecure....

No, it hasn't. Alexander Rossi has been pretty useless in the sim so far, and I haven't seen so much as a single person suggest that's because he's actually not quick.

I have seen people suggesting Sage Karam is better than previously thought after he won, but it only appears to go in that direction, not the other way.


Yes, and it's not like anyone who's opinion matters is going to try an extrapolate sim performance to real life.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
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mikeyg123 wrote:
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Is it in the Indycar drivers contracts then?

No the point I was making is that Indycar drivers are probably more accommodating.


It's a shame. It doesn't reflect well

No it doesn't but some are sim specialists and most probably aren't, you're bound to get some reading too much into the race results, see put them in equal cars and see who's the best etc.

In particularly Hamilton getting beat by the likes of Norris would probably kick off on that narrative and Hamilton in particular is probably aware of that.


Would it though? Doesn't all this apply to Indycar as well? Has that kicked off any narratives?

I struggle to believe someone as successful as Hamilton could be that insecure....

Well let's see if the F1 drivers flock to take part in these races.

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Exediron wrote:
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No it doesn't but some are sim specialists and most probably aren't, you're bound to get some reading too much into the race results, see put them in equal cars and see who's the best etc.

In particularly Hamilton getting beat by the likes of Norris would probably kick off on that narrative and Hamilton in particular is probably aware of that.

Would it though? Doesn't all this apply to Indycar as well? Has that kicked off any narratives?

I struggle to believe someone as successful as Hamilton could be that insecure....

No, it hasn't. Alexander Rossi has been pretty useless in the sim so far, and I haven't seen so much as a single person suggest that's because he's actually not quick.

I have seen people suggesting Sage Karam is better than previously thought after he won, but it only appears to go in that direction, not the other way.

Is that not a narrative in itself, I heard the likes of look how well Karam has done when the cars are equal.

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pokerman wrote:
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No it doesn't but some are sim specialists and most probably aren't, you're bound to get some reading too much into the race results, see put them in equal cars and see who's the best etc.

In particularly Hamilton getting beat by the likes of Norris would probably kick off on that narrative and Hamilton in particular is probably aware of that.

Would it though? Doesn't all this apply to Indycar as well? Has that kicked off any narratives?

I struggle to believe someone as successful as Hamilton could be that insecure....

No, it hasn't. Alexander Rossi has been pretty useless in the sim so far, and I haven't seen so much as a single person suggest that's because he's actually not quick.

I have seen people suggesting Sage Karam is better than previously thought after he won, but it only appears to go in that direction, not the other way.

Is that not a narrative in itself, I heard the likes of look how well Karam has done when the cars are equal.


But what harm does that do to anybody?


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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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No it doesn't but some are sim specialists and most probably aren't, you're bound to get some reading too much into the race results, see put them in equal cars and see who's the best etc.

In particularly Hamilton getting beat by the likes of Norris would probably kick off on that narrative and Hamilton in particular is probably aware of that.

Would it though? Doesn't all this apply to Indycar as well? Has that kicked off any narratives?

I struggle to believe someone as successful as Hamilton could be that insecure....

No, it hasn't. Alexander Rossi has been pretty useless in the sim so far, and I haven't seen so much as a single person suggest that's because he's actually not quick.

I have seen people suggesting Sage Karam is better than previously thought after he won, but it only appears to go in that direction, not the other way.

Is that not a narrative in itself, I heard the likes of look how well Karam has done when the cars are equal.


But what harm does that do to anybody?

Well I heard that Verstappen pulled out of 2 races because he didn't have a good enough understanding of the software being used, some of these drivers aren't going to race just to make up the numbers.

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pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
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Would it though? Doesn't all this apply to Indycar as well? Has that kicked off any narratives?

I struggle to believe someone as successful as Hamilton could be that insecure....

No, it hasn't. Alexander Rossi has been pretty useless in the sim so far, and I haven't seen so much as a single person suggest that's because he's actually not quick.

I have seen people suggesting Sage Karam is better than previously thought after he won, but it only appears to go in that direction, not the other way.

Is that not a narrative in itself, I heard the likes of look how well Karam has done when the cars are equal.


But what harm does that do to anybody?

Well I heard that Verstappen pulled out of 2 races because he didn't have a good enough understanding of the software being used, some of these drivers aren't going to race just to make up the numbers.


Bottom line, it reflects badly on the F1 drivers if they are to precious to do something the Indycar guys seem to be happy to do. Just grow up and earn your huge wages.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
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No, it hasn't. Alexander Rossi has been pretty useless in the sim so far, and I haven't seen so much as a single person suggest that's because he's actually not quick.

I have seen people suggesting Sage Karam is better than previously thought after he won, but it only appears to go in that direction, not the other way.

Is that not a narrative in itself, I heard the likes of look how well Karam has done when the cars are equal.


But what harm does that do to anybody?

Well I heard that Verstappen pulled out of 2 races because he didn't have a good enough understanding of the software being used, some of these drivers aren't going to race just to make up the numbers.


Bottom line, it reflects badly on the F1 drivers if they are to precious to do something the Indycar guys seem to be happy to do. Just grow up and earn your huge wages.


I agree. For me, as much as a truly love F1. it's relationship with fans started going downhill in the late 90's imo. As professionalism seemed to ramp up, so did secrecy and thus a lack of interaction with the true fans. Money took over and things became either secret or only available to corporate, wealthy people. I think this is reflected in the way the drivers are constantly followed by a PR staff member who's job it is to ensure they only say certain things to the right people.

This is a chance for F1 drivers to come out of this and show us a different side to the sport. So far, only Lando Norris appears to be doing this in a big way, although Max is doing some bits too that I appreciate.

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I watched the Indycar Watking Glen race & thought it was an ok replacement. The coverage needed some spit & polish. But it was the NBC team's first race, so I can only assume it will get better. Pre-race interviews & all that. I do realize that the participants, some quite new to the SIM stuff, are busy setting up their equipment.
I have the last 30 laps of the 2nd Nascar race recorded but haven't watched it yet.

I do think the F1 drivers should all be participating, A few outsiders is ok but I prefer them to be other racing drivers. Like Jimmie Johnson in the IndyCar & Dale Jr. in the Nascar.

I would personally love to see an "Over 60" race of retired drivers. Probably end up like a Demolition Derby, but it might be fun.

I do think that for the big series races someone needs to make a "bragging rights" Trophy for the series winners.

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This has been my favourite so far. The racing was really good with the different abilities of the different cars really showing.

Also, the commentators mainly talked like they would for a real race which gave it a better feel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG-A9A1RNPs

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Leclerc and Albon have agreed to race in this weekend's esport F1 race.

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Leclerc and Albon have agreed to race in this weekend's esport F1 race.

Only 5 F1 drivers and no Verstappen who is always playing these sim races.

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Authur Leclerc is the other Ferrari driver. Ooh I hope they qualify next to each other!!!!!

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Leclerc and Albon have agreed to race in this weekend's esport F1 race.

Only 5 F1 drivers and no Verstappen who is always playing these sim races.


And one of the F1 drivers is Herbert, so not current. Shame about Max. I thought he'd be really up for it. Also the likes of Russel and the other younger drivers who have possibly played a lot of these games over fairly recent years.

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Sorry, I lose track.. Is this the official F1 event on the codemasters game?


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Sorry, I lose track.. Is this the official F1 event on the codemasters game?


Pretty much. They're using last season's game because, of course, this season's doesn't exist. So, the Vietnam GP circuit isn't on the game so they've chosen to use the Melbourne circuit for this weekend.

Nice to see Russell has signed up, too.

https://f1esports.com/news/virtual-gp-2/

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Leclerc and Albon have agreed to race in this weekend's esport F1 race.

Only 5 F1 drivers and no Verstappen who is always playing these sim races.


And one of the F1 drivers is Herbert, so not current. Shame about Max. I thought he'd be really up for it. Also the likes of Russel and the other younger drivers who have possibly played a lot of these games over fairly recent years.

No it is 5, Albon, Russell, Latifi, Norris and Leclerc, Russell said he's not played any sim races for 2 years, he's too busy on the Merc sim and the last thing he wants to do when he gets home is play a sim race.

He's getting some kit together for the race and I wouldn't be too surprised if Leclerc is not doing similar, the only two F1 drivers noted for doing sim racing are Norris and Verstappen.

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Well I heard that Verstappen pulled out of 2 races because he didn't have a good enough understanding of the software being used, some of these drivers aren't going to race just to make up the numbers.


The easy way out is to not understand what the drivers are doing and why. I have scrutinized Max since he joined iRacing, and he never gets into any race if he is not properly prepared. Initially all he did was practice. So it comes down to ego or just a person's competitive nature?

When you factor in the simple fact that Max has driven GT cars, and at this moment driving an HPD, indicates to me that he is not shy at stepping outside of his comfort zone. He also recently began streaming on Twitch.

Although sports athletes are traded like cattle and perceived as disposable units, each driver is an individual human being and we should just respect their desires and lifestyles. That being said, any driver who does sim race earns extra points in my evaluation of them.

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Max doesn't need to understand the software. All cars run with identical performance and settings. There's nothing else to know, unless he can't work out how to plug his PC in!!!!!

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Max doesn't need to understand the software. All cars run with identical performance and settings. There's nothing else to know, unless he can't work out how to plug his PC in!!!!!

The way the software simulates the car is different in each sim, often dramatically so. I'm pretty sure that's what Max would be talking about; he doesn't understand what driving technique is needed to be quick on F1 2019.

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Max doesn't need to understand the software. All cars run with identical performance and settings. There's nothing else to know, unless he can't work out how to plug his PC in!!!!!

The way the software simulates the car is different in each sim, often dramatically so. I'm pretty sure that's what Max would be talking about; he doesn't understand what driving technique is needed to be quick on F1 2019.


Sure, but it in no way stops him from giving us some entertainment. Are fans really going to judge his real life driving ability based on possibly being rubbish in a virtual F1 race?

He should give it a go, just for the hell of it.

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Blinky McSquinty wrote:
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Well I heard that Verstappen pulled out of 2 races because he didn't have a good enough understanding of the software being used, some of these drivers aren't going to race just to make up the numbers.


The easy way out is to not understand what the drivers are doing and why. I have scrutinized Max since he joined iRacing, and he never gets into any race if he is not properly prepared. Initially all he did was practice. So it comes down to ego or just a person's competitive nature?

When you factor in the simple fact that Max has driven GT cars, and at this moment driving an HPD, indicates to me that he is not shy at stepping outside of his comfort zone. He also recently began streaming on Twitch.

Although sports athletes are traded like cattle and perceived as disposable units, each driver is an individual human being and we should just respect their desires and lifestyles. That being said, any driver who does sim race earns extra points in my evaluation of them.

You mean the drivers that choose to entertain us during the lockdown?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:00 am 
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Max doesn't need to understand the software. All cars run with identical performance and settings. There's nothing else to know, unless he can't work out how to plug his PC in!!!!!

The way the software simulates the car is different in each sim, often dramatically so. I'm pretty sure that's what Max would be talking about; he doesn't understand what driving technique is needed to be quick on F1 2019.

Yes, some people perhaps think that normal driving techniques work the same way on a sim but that doesn't seem to be the case, certain tricks need to be learned which takes hours and hours of practice.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
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Max doesn't need to understand the software. All cars run with identical performance and settings. There's nothing else to know, unless he can't work out how to plug his PC in!!!!!

The way the software simulates the car is different in each sim, often dramatically so. I'm pretty sure that's what Max would be talking about; he doesn't understand what driving technique is needed to be quick on F1 2019.


Sure, but it in no way stops him from giving us some entertainment. Are fans really going to judge his real life driving ability based on possibly being rubbish in a virtual F1 race?

He should give it a go, just for the hell of it.

There's another problem though for it to seem realistic then the relevant drivers need to be competitive, there's no point them competing to be nowhere, I've quite enjoyed watching some of the sim races including the sim experts, at least you get competitive races.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:51 pm 
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pokerman wrote:
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Max doesn't need to understand the software. All cars run with identical performance and settings. There's nothing else to know, unless he can't work out how to plug his PC in!!!!!

The way the software simulates the car is different in each sim, often dramatically so. I'm pretty sure that's what Max would be talking about; he doesn't understand what driving technique is needed to be quick on F1 2019.


Sure, but it in no way stops him from giving us some entertainment. Are fans really going to judge his real life driving ability based on possibly being rubbish in a virtual F1 race?

He should give it a go, just for the hell of it.

There's another problem though for it to seem realistic then the relevant drivers need to be competitive, there's no point them competing to be nowhere, I've quite enjoyed watching some of the sim races including the sim experts, at least you get competitive races.


I definitely don't agree with that.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Exediron wrote:
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Max doesn't need to understand the software. All cars run with identical performance and settings. There's nothing else to know, unless he can't work out how to plug his PC in!!!!!

The way the software simulates the car is different in each sim, often dramatically so. I'm pretty sure that's what Max would be talking about; he doesn't understand what driving technique is needed to be quick on F1 2019.


Sure, but it in no way stops him from giving us some entertainment. Are fans really going to judge his real life driving ability based on possibly being rubbish in a virtual F1 race?

He should give it a go, just for the hell of it.

There's another problem though for it to seem realistic then the relevant drivers need to be competitive, there's no point them competing to be nowhere, I've quite enjoyed watching some of the sim races including the sim experts, at least you get competitive races.


I definitely don't agree with that.


Neither do I. The entertainment I had from watching the likes of Norris and Herbert racing last time out was really rather high. The fact real F1 drivers aren't the dominant force is irrelevant to me.

It's like the charity football matches where there are pros. ex pros and celebs. Yes the ball, pitch and goal size are the same, but the current pros are not performing at their best and are in teams with players who don't have a clue about the tactics the pros are used to. Doesn't mean it isn't entertaining to see the pros messing about.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Exediron wrote:
The way the software simulates the car is different in each sim, often dramatically so. I'm pretty sure that's what Max would be talking about; he doesn't understand what driving technique is needed to be quick on F1 2019.


Sure, but it in no way stops him from giving us some entertainment. Are fans really going to judge his real life driving ability based on possibly being rubbish in a virtual F1 race?

He should give it a go, just for the hell of it.

There's another problem though for it to seem realistic then the relevant drivers need to be competitive, there's no point them competing to be nowhere, I've quite enjoyed watching some of the sim races including the sim experts, at least you get competitive races.


I definitely don't agree with that.


Neither do I. The entertainment I had from watching the likes of Norris and Herbert racing last time out was really rather high. The fact real F1 drivers aren't the dominant force is irrelevant to me.

It's like the charity football matches where there are pros. ex pros and celebs. Yes the ball, pitch and goal size are the same, but the current pros are not performing at their best and are in teams with players who don't have a clue about the tactics the pros are used to. Doesn't mean it isn't entertaining to see the pros messing about.


Yes,

I can't say it would alter my enjoyment if Hamilton and Verstappen were at the front or the back. Nobody expects it to be representative. It's almost like a modern equivalent of the old sporting superstars show.


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This is worth a watch just for the funny chat between the F1 guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKZNriDeTfc


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