Lets see. A particularly virulent virus breaks out in China. Initially they delay in reporting the outbreak to the WHO. They then detain & silence whistleblower medical staff who attempted to alert the world of the severity of the virus & downplay its impact. They then provide false information to the WHO "There is no evidence of human to human transmission"whilst shutting down major cities & quietly instructing Chinese organisations globally to buy up as much masks, gloves, sanitizer etc as they can get their hands on & send it back to China. They then criticize governments like Australia for over-reacting when they get in early & initiate travel bans for people from China while at the very same time practically locking millions of it's own citizens in their houses & slapping up hospitals like they're building blocks, and you honestly believe China really owes the world nothing? Tens of thousands of deaths & millions of livelihoods severely impacted and all you think China owes the world is a shrug of the shoulders and a "sh1t happens and we'll only answer your questions if we want"? I honestly don't think any reasonable person wants China's neck in a noose, not that it'd happen anyway if that was the case, but China should be owning up to it's errors & answering questions no matter if it hurts them or not,Prema wrote:As far as that one. The lessons have been already learnt, and are being learnt. Chinese government is providing, and will provide that much information and cooperation as they decide, depending on how that might (or rather might not) hurt them. Surely the friendly questions can be asked.. if they are friendly and scientific ones.Jezza13 wrote: if I read your post correctly Prema, we should all just get over it & move on without not even a hint of a friendly inquiry to the source of the outbreak?
Otherwise, I do not see that China owes anything particularly to the world. It was the virus that hit them in the first place, and they dealt with it the way they did, while the era of globalism did the rest.
Throughout the history, the West has been spreading viruses and nasty diseases to the rest of the world that was there but to be conquered, decimating and even annihilating entire indigenous populations. Particularly the current nations of the US and Australia, apparently being the loudest about China, had been literally founded on such genocides. And China, they had suffer their fair share of similar destruction, some even being deliberately induced by the imperial powers of the West.
Yeah, I mean, the world got to get over it, move on. fairy cakes happens.
The issue is not really the virus itself but the actions of the Chinese government once it broke out. If China had reported the outbreak quickly & accurately to the WHO then there's a real chance this whole pandemic could've been avoided, or at the very least had it's effects greatly mitigated. So whether Trump or any other national leader has acted in a manner that can be seen as negligent is a matter for the people of those countries to decide, & it may in fact be the case that they have acted that way,but the fact remains the virus began in China and it's the clandestine & perhaps duplicitous nature in which the Chinese government acted that prevented the virus being adequately & promptly confronted on a global level thus allowing it to spread around the world before most governments could formulate an adequate & effective response causing devastation in almost every country on Earth.
I've no idea why you introduced genocide into the argument Prema as it's nothing to do with the topic being discussed but i'll quickly address that point anyway. Yes, the British colonists who settled Australia 230 yrs ago did indeed commit atrocities against the native inhabitants. It's an incredibly dark stain on the history of Australia but unlike some countries it's a stain we don't attempt to hide or remove, either nationally or globally. In the interest of keeping on topic though, i'll not delve into the murky depths of Chinese human rights abuses, massacres & genocide. I'll not go into detail on Tibet, Mao Zedong or more recently the Uighur "re-education" camps, but suffice to say if someone is going to raise the topic of genocide or human rights abuse in western countries, I wouldn't raise it as part of my defense of China that's for sure.
As for your globalization comment, here I agree with you. I'm not a nationalist by any means but i think the world has traveled far too far down the globalization path & the spread of the virus is in part due to this. The one hope I have out of all this is that governments may look to wind back their globalist agendas slightly, encourage more companies to resume manufacturing in their countries and start to look more after the interests of their own people. Not totally of course, globalism certainly has a very large role to play in today's world, but certainly a bit more than they do now.