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JN23 wrote:

Biffa wrote:Looking like Euro 2020 will be cancelled, so that's June and July - not looking good

It doesn’t look good but I also think this is to buy domestic leagues time to finish their seasons. It’s just common sense at this point to make it Euro 2021. It could of course be the case we still aren’t playing football/racing cars come June/July but I think at this point in time it’s just as much to help domestic associations finish their seasons.

Biffa wrote:Looking like Euro 2020 will be cancelled, so that's June and July - not looking good

Alienturnedhuman wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Biffa wrote:Looking like Euro 2020 will be cancelled, so that's June and July - not looking good

It doesn’t look good but I also think this is to buy domestic leagues time to finish their seasons. It’s just common sense at this point to make it Euro 2021. It could of course be the case we still aren’t playing football/racing cars come June/July but I think at this point in time it’s just as much to help domestic associations finish their seasons.

Euro 2020 is also a cross continent competition requiring fans to be constantly moving between countries, rather than being held in one, which would make it easier to manage / predict.

Biffa wrote:

Alienturnedhuman wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Biffa wrote:Looking like Euro 2020 will be cancelled, so that's June and July - not looking good

It doesn’t look good but I also think this is to buy domestic leagues time to finish their seasons. It’s just common sense at this point to make it Euro 2021. It could of course be the case we still aren’t playing football/racing cars come June/July but I think at this point in time it’s just as much to help domestic associations finish their seasons.

Euro 2020 is also a cross continent competition requiring fans to be constantly moving between countries, rather than being held in one, which would make it easier to manage / predict.

Yep agreed - I'm just gutted because this was the year I was going to push the boat out, I've got tickets for 6 Euro 2020 matches and was going to try and get to 3 or 4 European GPs mixed in with a bit of a farewell European tour (before Brexit). Oh well maybe next year if I'm not bankrupt by then

JN23 wrote: Other thing: AMUS are reporting that teams will vote to delay the regulation changes until 2022. https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/124 ... 37861?s=21

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

JN23 wrote: Other thing: AMUS are reporting that teams will vote to delay the regulation changes until 2022. https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/124 ... 37861?s=21

JN23 wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

JN23 wrote: Other thing: AMUS are reporting that teams will vote to delay the regulation changes until 2022. https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/124 ... 37861?s=21

Also being reported elsewhere now.

Biffa wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

JN23 wrote: Other thing: AMUS are reporting that teams will vote to delay the regulation changes until 2022. https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/124 ... 37861?s=21

Also being reported elsewhere now.

Whether we like it or not it does make sense (to me anyway (as a non-technical person)).

It seems such a waste if the development work/resource for 2020 was just annulled, plus let’s face it; we still want to see how things pan out when the regs reach some maturity and stabilisation. The next big change is going to happen regardless, and one year later is not such a big deal – in fact it might negate the ‘jump start’ the big spenders have, so a win-win all round?!!

mikeyg123 wrote:Very much the opposite I think. The more time until implementation the greater the difference in money the big teams will have spent developing cars for these regulations.

Aside from 2014 any time in recent history that has seen big regulations changes has brought the field much closer together. With such a long lead in time I struggle to see that being the case.

The fact that it's on the table means that the big teams want it to happen and that should tell you all you need to know.

Exediron wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:Very much the opposite I think. The more time until implementation the greater the difference in money the big teams will have spent developing cars for these regulations.

Aside from 2014 any time in recent history that has seen big regulations changes has brought the field much closer together. With such a long lead in time I struggle to see that being the case.

The fact that it's on the table means that the big teams want it to happen and that should tell you all you need to know.

I'm pretty much on this side of the argument. The big teams have already flat-out admitted they're going to spend massive amounts of money before the cost cap comes in. Pushing the regulation change back pushes (I assume) the cost cap with them, meaning yet another year of the big teams spending far over the cap to gain an advantage.

Dr Roy Spencer wrote:On the subject of using antimalarial drugs for COVID-19 treatment, I've compared COVID-19 cases versus malaria incidence by country....

This is amazing. I downloaded all of the data for 234 countries, incidence of total COVID-19 cases (as of 3/17/2020) versus the incidence of malaria in those countries (various sources, kinda messy matching everything up in Excel).

RESULTS, Multi-country average malaria cases per thousand, COVID-19 cases per million, in three classes of countries based on malaria incidence:

Top 40 Malaria countries: 212 malaria = 0.2 COVID-19;
Next 40 Malaria countries: 7.3 malaria = 10.1 COVID-19
Remaining (81-234) countries: 0.00 malaria = 68.7 COVID-19

Again, the units are Malaria cases per thousand "population at risk", and COVID-19 cases per million total population.

In all my years of data analysis I have never seen such a stark and strong relationship: Countries with malaria basically have no COVID-19 cases (at least not yet).

Tufty wrote:And how do you expect health services to cope with that? Your plan would cause a much higher death rate than containing it and slowing the spread.

Tufty wrote:And how do you expect health services to cope with that? Your plan would cause a much higher death rate than containing it and slowing the spread.

Siao7 wrote:First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!

Jezza13 wrote:

Siao7 wrote:First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!

Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

Jezza13 wrote:

Siao7 wrote:First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!

Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

pokerman wrote:

Jezza13 wrote:

Siao7 wrote:First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!

Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.

Siao7 wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Jezza13 wrote:

Siao7 wrote:First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!

Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.

Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?

Biffa wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Jezza13 wrote:

Siao7 wrote:First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!

Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.

Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?

The stockpiling in the UK is so bad that Supermarkets have started allocating an hour or two in the morning where only pensioners are allowed in i.e. before us greedy barstewards clean everything out.

So listening to the radio this morning and there were more than 100 pensioners queued outside the local Tesco at 7am waiting for it to open, and when the doors opened to non-pensioners at 8am the shelves had been cleaned out

That'll teach us!

Jezza13 wrote:

Biffa wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Jezza13 wrote:
Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.

Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?

The stockpiling in the UK is so bad that Supermarkets have started allocating an hour or two in the morning where only pensioners are allowed in i.e. before us greedy barstewards clean everything out.

So listening to the radio this morning and there were more than 100 pensioners queued outside the local Tesco at 7am waiting for it to open, and when the doors opened to non-pensioners at 8am the shelves had been cleaned out

That'll teach us!

Plus now you're forcing mass gatherings of the most susceptible members of the community in the same place at the same time.

They're doing the same thing in Australia now.

TedStriker wrote:Don't know if this has been picked up on elsewhere but major annoucement seems to be 2021 changes delayed by a year so next year's season to be run under current regs. Lewis will be happy, everyone else less so!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51964882

Siao7 wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Jezza13 wrote:

Siao7 wrote:First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!

Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.

Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?

Battle Far wrote:

Tufty wrote:And how do you expect health services to cope with that? Your plan would cause a much higher death rate than containing it and slowing the spread.

I don't, I expect them to be overwhelmed and a high proportion of those at risk to die.

I'm one of them.

No one has asked me whether I think it's better to reduce my risk of death at the cost of the world's economy.

I can't speak for anyone else, I'm simply saying for me, I'd rather increase my risk than have my children and grandchildren suffer. I suspect that many grandparents would agree.

pokerman wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Jezza13 wrote:

Siao7 wrote:First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!

Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.

Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?

The war spirit is about everyone pulling together not everyman for himself.

j man wrote:

Battle Far wrote:

Tufty wrote:And how do you expect health services to cope with that? Your plan would cause a much higher death rate than containing it and slowing the spread.

I don't, I expect them to be overwhelmed and a high proportion of those at risk to die.

I'm one of them.

No one has asked me whether I think it's better to reduce my risk of death at the cost of the world's economy.

I can't speak for anyone else, I'm simply saying for me, I'd rather increase my risk than have my children and grandchildren suffer. I suspect that many grandparents would agree.

What is more interesting to me is that our leaders seem so willing to crash the global economy to fight this pandemic yet are not willing to make any similar sacrifices to combat climate change. The latter will have much more far-reaching effects on a much larger number of people, but sadly the people who make the big decisions in this world are only capable of thinking in the short term.

j man wrote:What is more interesting to me is that our leaders seem so willing to crash the global economy to fight this pandemic yet are not willing to make any similar sacrifices to combat climate change. The latter will have much more far-reaching effects on a much larger number of people, but sadly the people who make the big decisions in this world are only capable of thinking in the short term.

Exediron wrote:

j man wrote:What is more interesting to me is that our leaders seem so willing to crash the global economy to fight this pandemic yet are not willing to make any similar sacrifices to combat climate change. The latter will have much more far-reaching effects on a much larger number of people, but sadly the people who make the big decisions in this world are only capable of thinking in the short term.

I really hope it's a foot in the door in that regard. We'll see.

Siao7 wrote:

Jezza13 wrote:

Biffa wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

pokerman wrote: It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.

Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?

The stockpiling in the UK is so bad that Supermarkets have started allocating an hour or two in the morning where only pensioners are allowed in i.e. before us greedy barstewards clean everything out.

So listening to the radio this morning and there were more than 100 pensioners queued outside the local Tesco at 7am waiting for it to open, and when the doors opened to non-pensioners at 8am the shelves had been cleaned out

That'll teach us!

Plus now you're forcing mass gatherings of the most susceptible members of the community in the same place at the same time.

They're doing the same thing in Australia now.

They are indeed trying to get rid of the pensioners!!!

I find this silly, how can they police it? If your elderly nan can't go and you have to go to buy stuff for her, no one is going to believe you it is for her for example.

Jezza13 wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Jezza13 wrote:

Biffa wrote:

Siao7 wrote:
Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?

The stockpiling in the UK is so bad that Supermarkets have started allocating an hour or two in the morning where only pensioners are allowed in i.e. before us greedy barstewards clean everything out.

So listening to the radio this morning and there were more than 100 pensioners queued outside the local Tesco at 7am waiting for it to open, and when the doors opened to non-pensioners at 8am the shelves had been cleaned out

That'll teach us!

Plus now you're forcing mass gatherings of the most susceptible members of the community in the same place at the same time.

They're doing the same thing in Australia now.

They are indeed trying to get rid of the pensioners!!!

I find this silly, how can they police it? If your elderly nan can't go and you have to go to buy stuff for her, no one is going to believe you it is for her for example.

That's not really what I was alluding to but more an observation that just as governments are promoting self - isolation policies with this virus, those most vulnerable are being un-necessarily forced to expose themselves to an environment that increases their risk of infection due to the "stuff you" mentality purveying throughout society at the moment.

Siao7 wrote:By the way, since yesterday, Italy has surpassed the total death toll of China. Sad sad news for Italy, I saw pics of their military trucks carrying the dead. Yet, still people think this is all OTT and nothing to worry about