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JN23 wrote:Time for a bit of fun so we can stop reading about whether races will go ahead, let's do some predictions for the upcoming season!

(some questions shamelessly stolen from last year's Race Fans 20 questions article)

- Who will be WDC?
- Who will be WCC?
- Who will finish fourth?
- Surprise package?
- Who will outqualify their teammate the most?
- How many non-top three podiums will there be?
- At which race will the WDC be decided?
- Which driver will get the most pole positions?
- Austria, Brazil, China, Monaco, Spain don't have contracts for 2021. Which of these will be on the calendar for 2022 by the end of the season?
- Who will get the most penalty points?
- First driver dropped for a race (if any)?
- Biggest political story of the season?

JN23 wrote:Time for a bit of fun so we can stop reading about whether races will go ahead, let's do some predictions for the upcoming season!

(some questions shamelessly stolen from last year's Race Fans 20 questions article)

- Who will be WDC? Hamilton
- Who will be WCC? Mercedes
- Who will finish fourth? Renault
- Surprise package? Williams
- Who will outqualify their teammate the most? Verstappen
- How many non-top three podiums will there be? Three
- At which race will the WDC be decided? Mexico
- Which driver will get the most pole positions? Hamilton
- Austria, Brazil, China, Monaco, Spain don't have contracts for 2021. Which of these will be on the calendar for 2022 by the end of the season? All of them
- Who will get the most penalty points? Grosjean
- First driver dropped for a race (if any)? None
- Biggest political story of the season? Haas pull out of F1

pokerman wrote: - Biggest political story of the season? Haas pull out of F1

TheGiantHogweed wrote:For those going for Grosjean for most penalty points, last season, he got 2. There were 7 drivers that got more points than him, including Hamilton and several other very good drivers. Vettel and Ricciardo nearly had 4 times what Grosjean had. He hasn't done much in the way of things to warrant penalty points compared to other drivers, so not sure why so many are voting him. I really do feel I may get judged as constantly defending Grosjean. I don't think he's that good myself but he's been judged as far worse than he actually was last year, probably triggering peoples decisions on him. Despite being in F1 for less time than Grosjean and missing out on over a year of F1 with the penalty points system, Verstappen has in fact managed to collect more than Grosjean over this time.

mikeyg123 wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:For those going for Grosjean for most penalty points, last season, he got 2. There were 7 drivers that got more points than him, including Hamilton and several other very good drivers. Vettel and Ricciardo nearly had 4 times what Grosjean had. He hasn't done much in the way of things to warrant penalty points compared to other drivers, so not sure why so many are voting him. I really do feel I may get judged as constantly defending Grosjean. I don't think he's that good myself but he's been judged as far worse than he actually was last year, probably triggering peoples decisions on him. Despite being in F1 for less time than Grosjean and missing out on over a year of F1 with the penalty points system, Verstappen has in fact managed to collect more than Grosjean over this time.

Erm, So what you are saying is they both have driven under the penalty point system for the same about of time?

So surely Grosjean being in F1 for longer is irrelevant in this comparison. If anything him being more experienced should count against him.

TheGiantHogweed wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:For those going for Grosjean for most penalty points, last season, he got 2. There were 7 drivers that got more points than him, including Hamilton and several other very good drivers. Vettel and Ricciardo nearly had 4 times what Grosjean had. He hasn't done much in the way of things to warrant penalty points compared to other drivers, so not sure why so many are voting him. I really do feel I may get judged as constantly defending Grosjean. I don't think he's that good myself but he's been judged as far worse than he actually was last year, probably triggering peoples decisions on him. Despite being in F1 for less time than Grosjean and missing out on over a year of F1 with the penalty points system, Verstappen has in fact managed to collect more than Grosjean over this time.

Erm, So what you are saying is they both have driven under the penalty point system for the same about of time?

So surely Grosjean being in F1 for longer is irrelevant in this comparison. If anything him being more experienced should count against him.

No? I'm pointing out that Grosjean has been driving in F1 for longer than Verstappen since the system has been in place and despite that, has picked up less points. It was introduced in 2014. Not sure why I said over a year (as it was just one), but not sure how you think i am implying they have driven under this system the same number of years. The fact is, Verstappen has been getting more than Grosjean recently as well as overall in less time. Verstappen has also got 2 more penalty points in the last 2 seasons put together than during his first two, which also shows he's still doing quite a few things he shouldn't. And I feel he won't ever change in several of the areas that end up getting him them despite being a better driver in general.

https://f1statblog.co.uk/f1-penalty-points/

Both Verstappen and Grosjean were pretty high and both got 7 in 2018, but Verstappen got 4 last year compared to two for Grosjean. I think it is likely that drivers such as Vettel, Verstappen, Kvyat, and Magnussen too will likely all get more than Grosjean. They did last year.

mikeyg123 wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:For those going for Grosjean for most penalty points, last season, he got 2. There were 7 drivers that got more points than him, including Hamilton and several other very good drivers. Vettel and Ricciardo nearly had 4 times what Grosjean had. He hasn't done much in the way of things to warrant penalty points compared to other drivers, so not sure why so many are voting him. I really do feel I may get judged as constantly defending Grosjean. I don't think he's that good myself but he's been judged as far worse than he actually was last year, probably triggering peoples decisions on him. Despite being in F1 for less time than Grosjean and missing out on over a year of F1 with the penalty points system, Verstappen has in fact managed to collect more than Grosjean over this time.

Erm, So what you are saying is they both have driven under the penalty point system for the same about of time?

So surely Grosjean being in F1 for longer is irrelevant in this comparison. If anything him being more experienced should count against him.

No? I'm pointing out that Grosjean has been driving in F1 for longer than Verstappen since the system has been in place and despite that, has picked up less points. It was introduced in 2014. Not sure why I said over a year (as it was just one), but not sure how you think i am implying they have driven under this system the same number of years. The fact is, Verstappen has been getting more than Grosjean recently as well as overall in less time. Verstappen has also got 2 more penalty points in the last 2 seasons put together than during his first two, which also shows he's still doing quite a few things he shouldn't. And I feel he won't ever change in several of the areas that end up getting him them despite being a better driver in general.

https://f1statblog.co.uk/f1-penalty-points/

Both Verstappen and Grosjean were pretty high and both got 7 in 2018, but Verstappen got 4 last year compared to two for Grosjean. I think it is likely that drivers such as Vettel, Verstappen, Kvyat, and Magnussen too will likely all get more than Grosjean. They did last year.

I'm not sure saying he has accrued less than a notoriously reckless and high profile driver in his first seasons in F1 really supports your argument as much as you think it does.

Randine wrote:- Biggest political story of the season? - Coronavirus

JN23 wrote:Time for a bit of fun so we can stop reading about whether races will go ahead, let's do some predictions for the upcoming season!

(some questions shamelessly stolen from last year's Race Fans 20 questions article)

- Who will be WDC? - Hamilton
- Who will be WCC? - Mercedes
- Who will finish fourth? - Racing Point
- Surprise package? - Williams
- Who will outqualify their teammate the most? - Verstappen
- How many non-top three podiums will there be? - Sainz and Perez
- At which race will the WDC be decided? - Mexico
- Which driver will get the most pole positions? - Hamilton
- Austria, Brazil, China, Monaco, Spain don't have contracts for 2021. Which of these will be on the calendar for 2022 by the end of the season? - Austria, China, and Monaco
- Who will get the most penalty points? - Magnussen
- First driver dropped for a race (if any)? - None
- Biggest political story of the season? - Ferrari engine/FIA statement scandal

Black_Flag_11 wrote: - Biggest political story of the season? The Italian GP goes ahead, however due to the increased quarantine measures nobody can get into the country, and Toro Rosso are unable to source a working engine. Therefore the only entrant is Ferrari, using last years car and engineers for drivers. They secure a 1-2 finish and go on to win the championship by 42 points.

Jezza13 wrote:Who will be WDC? Hamilton
- Who will be WCC? Merc
- Who will finish fourth? McLaren
- Surprise package? Williams
- Who will outqualify their teammate the most? Verstappen
- How many non-top three podiums will there be? 0
- At which race will the WDC be decided? USA
- Which driver will get the most pole positions? Hamilton
- Austria, Brazil, China, Monaco, Spain don't have contracts for 2021. Which of these will be on the calendar for 2022 by the end of the season? Austria, China, Monaco, Spain
- Who will get the most penalty points? Perez
- First driver dropped for a race (if any)? None
- Biggest political story of the season? Just give me a sec to grab my tin foil hat here. Right. The revelation that the extent of Ferrari's creative engine tuning was enough for the FIA to have reasonable grounds to have them excluded from the championship but the FIA / LM put to Ferrari a deal they couldn't refuse including demanding a guarantee they allow the FIA / LM to pursue their agenda, including the redistribution of prize money, without Ferrari dragging their veto out of their pocket

iano wrote:Looking at the races and impact of Covid 19.
Once there is local transmission of Covid-19, so far in most countries cases grow at a multiple of around 2.5x more cases each week. I will assume applying this growth rate to current local cases will calculate the maximum possible cases at a future date for a given country.

Australia - Confirmed, but expect record low crowds
Bahrain - Race without spectators. Only 1 week after Australia so not too much should change.
Vietnam - Only around 3 weeks away. Estimated cases by race day...around 200. Again- do not expect crowds
China - postponed
Holland - 82 cases now. Estimated cases by race day...between 1,000 and 10,000 ..in other words it could be worse than Italy is now. Questionable
Spain 1200 cases now. On this base, by race day over 1 million cases is possible. I assume drastic measures will keep actually figures far lower, but drastic measures will be needed and will impact having a race.
Monaco - surrounded by France, which is in a similar situation to Spain. My prediction: again, no race
.....
The pattern continues. The further into the future, the more difficult the predictions. But I think at this point expecting more than half of all races to take place seems very unlikely.

This will be the biggest political story of the season. I am unsure there will even be a world champion declared.

mikeyg123 wrote:

iano wrote:Looking at the races and impact of Covid 19.
Once there is local transmission of Covid-19, so far in most countries cases grow at a multiple of around 2.5x more cases each week. I will assume applying this growth rate to current local cases will calculate the maximum possible cases at a future date for a given country.

Australia - Confirmed, but expect record low crowds
Bahrain - Race without spectators. Only 1 week after Australia so not too much should change.
Vietnam - Only around 3 weeks away. Estimated cases by race day...around 200. Again- do not expect crowds
China - postponed
Holland - 82 cases now. Estimated cases by race day...between 1,000 and 10,000 ..in other words it could be worse than Italy is now. Questionable
Spain 1200 cases now. On this base, by race day over 1 million cases is possible. I assume drastic measures will keep actually figures far lower, but drastic measures will be needed and will impact having a race.
Monaco - surrounded by France, which is in a similar situation to Spain. My prediction: again, no race
.....
The pattern continues. The further into the future, the more difficult the predictions. But I think at this point expecting more than half of all races to take place seems very unlikely.

This will be the biggest political story of the season. I am unsure there will even be a world champion declared.

Lets see what happens. If we end up with all or at least most of Europe in the same boat then things may well open up regardless of the number of actual cases.

JN23 wrote:Time for a bit of fun so we can stop reading about whether races will go ahead, let's do some predictions for the upcoming season!

(some questions shamelessly stolen from last year's Race Fans 20 questions article)

- Who will be WDC? Hamilton
- Who will be WCC? Mercedes
- Who will finish fourth? McLaren
- Surprise package? AlphaTauri
- Who will outqualify their teammate the most? Russell
- How many non-top three podiums will there be? 3
- At which race will the WDC be decided? Japan
- Which driver will get the most pole positions? Hamilton
- Austria, Brazil, China, Monaco, Spain don't have contracts for 2021. Which of these will be on the calendar for 2022 by the end of the season? All of them
- Who will get the most penalty points? Grosjean
- First driver dropped for a race (if any)? None
- Biggest political story of the season? The Pink W10

Covalent wrote:- Who will be WDC? No one.
- Who will be WCC? No one.
- Who will finish fourth? No one.
- Surprise package? Racing point.
- Who will outqualify their teammate the most? Verstappen.
- How many non-top three podiums will there be? 1
- At which race will the WDC be decided? It won't.
- Which driver will get the most pole positions? Bottas
- Austria, Brazil, China, Monaco, Spain don't have contracts for 2021. Which of these will be on the calendar for 2022 by the end of the season? All.
- Who will get the most penalty points? Kvyat.
- First driver dropped for a race (if any)? None.
- Biggest political story of the season? No champions will be crowned thanks to the Coronavirus preventing too many races to be held with full lineups.

Siao7 wrote:

Covalent wrote:- Who will be WDC? No one.
- Who will be WCC? No one.
- Who will finish fourth? No one.
- Surprise package? Racing point.
- Who will outqualify their teammate the most? Verstappen.
- How many non-top three podiums will there be? 1
- At which race will the WDC be decided? It won't.
- Which driver will get the most pole positions? Bottas
- Austria, Brazil, China, Monaco, Spain don't have contracts for 2021. Which of these will be on the calendar for 2022 by the end of the season? All.
- Who will get the most penalty points? Kvyat.
- First driver dropped for a race (if any)? None.
- Biggest political story of the season? No champions will be crowned thanks to the Coronavirus preventing too many races to be held with full lineups.

Super optimistic Cova, I love it!

pokerman wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:

iano wrote:Looking at the races and impact of Covid 19.
Once there is local transmission of Covid-19, so far in most countries cases grow at a multiple of around 2.5x more cases each week. I will assume applying this growth rate to current local cases will calculate the maximum possible cases at a future date for a given country.

Australia - Confirmed, but expect record low crowds
Bahrain - Race without spectators. Only 1 week after Australia so not too much should change.
Vietnam - Only around 3 weeks away. Estimated cases by race day...around 200. Again- do not expect crowds
China - postponed
Holland - 82 cases now. Estimated cases by race day...between 1,000 and 10,000 ..in other words it could be worse than Italy is now. Questionable
Spain 1200 cases now. On this base, by race day over 1 million cases is possible. I assume drastic measures will keep actually figures far lower, but drastic measures will be needed and will impact having a race.
Monaco - surrounded by France, which is in a similar situation to Spain. My prediction: again, no race
.....
The pattern continues. The further into the future, the more difficult the predictions. But I think at this point expecting more than half of all races to take place seems very unlikely.

This will be the biggest political story of the season. I am unsure there will even be a world champion declared.

Lets see what happens. If we end up with all or at least most of Europe in the same boat then things may well open up regardless of the number of actual cases.

Indeed, on another thought I wonder if anyone has given thought to the drivers themselves getting infected, missing races?

pokerman wrote:Indeed, on another thought I wonder if anyone has given thought to the drivers themselves getting infected, missing races?

Adro783 wrote:- Biggest political story of the season? -Record number of F1 races cancelled in a season due to Coronavirus

Exediron wrote:

Adro783 wrote:- Biggest political story of the season? -Record number of F1 races cancelled in a season due to Coronavirus

Is this one already correct? Does anyone know what the record number of cancellations actually is?

Herb wrote:We have only had 2 cancelled so far, Australia and Monaco. All the others are currently 'postponed'.

Obviously, some of the postponed ones will be cancelled by the end of the season.

Exediron wrote:

Herb wrote:We have only had 2 cancelled so far, Australia and Monaco. All the others are currently 'postponed'.

Obviously, some of the postponed ones will be cancelled by the end of the season.

Fair point.

... which leads to the slightly bleak 'guess how many races will take place in 2020' thread idea?

Exediron wrote:

Adro783 wrote:- Biggest political story of the season? -Record number of F1 races cancelled in a season due to Coronavirus

Is this one already correct? Does anyone know what the record number of cancellations actually is?