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Bottas' engine failed in Brazil so he'll be getting a new engine (latest spec) but may start from the back of the grid.
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Bottas confirmed to start from the back, I fancied him to win this race. He won't do it from there.

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Oops Vettel...

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Ricciardo's had an engine failure in this session. Renault said the engine got within 15 minutes of its expected expiry time!

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JN23 wrote:Ricciardo's had an engine failure in this session. Renault said the engine got within 15 minutes of its expected expiry time!
... of 16 minutes.
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tootsie323 wrote:
JN23 wrote:Ricciardo's had an engine failure in this session. Renault said the engine got within 15 minutes of its expected expiry time!
... of 16 minutes.
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Leclerc the wall.
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If we exclude Bottas from the running, Leclerc and Hamilton are separated by 0.008sec after qualifying sims. Leclerc did purples in S1 and S2 before dropping time in S3. I think Hamilton was purple in S3.

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Mort Canard wrote:Leclerc the wall.
Apparently a few drivers had mishaps there today

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Grosjean and Bottas ooops.

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Mort Canard wrote:Leclerc the wall.
For a split second I thought that was a translation... Le Grand Clerc du China.
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JN23 wrote:Grosjean and Bottas ooops.
I think Bottas has to shoulder most of the blame there but both of them are stupid.

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The love for Grosjean. :lol:

Grosjean looked in his mirror sees the Mercedes but still turns in to Bottas, Hamilton asks who was in involved, Grosjean, I could have guessed. :)
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Crofty and Chandhook on how to improve F1, use all 3 compounds in the race, reverse grids, less practice sessions, apparently new fans are more important, good luck with that. :uhoh:
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pokerman wrote:Crofty and Chandhook on how to improve F1, use all 3 compounds in the race, reverse grids, less practice sessions, apparently new fans are more important, good luck with that. :uhoh:
I'm not necessarily against less practice sessions. Whenever practice is compromised for whatever reasons we seem to get more strategy variation. Disagree with the rest though

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pokerman wrote:Crofty and Chandhook on how to improve F1, use all 3 compounds in the race, reverse grids, less practice sessions, apparently new fans are more important, good luck with that. :uhoh:
How to improve F1. Get rid of Croft and bring someone in who not only complements the visual experience, but understand that the point of a F1 commentator is to talk about F1.

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1 pitstop race is too predictable. Singapore is especially a joke as they intentionally driver several secs slow to make 1 stop work :uhoh:
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shoot999 wrote:
pokerman wrote:Crofty and Chandhook on how to improve F1, use all 3 compounds in the race, reverse grids, less practice sessions, apparently new fans are more important, good luck with that. :uhoh:
How to improve F1. Get rid of Croft and bring someone in who not only complements the visual experience, but understand that the point of a F1 commentator is to talk about F1.
Indeed I enjoy as much F1 as I can watch whereas some who is paid to present it wants to see less, I guess he gets paid the same no matter what?
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Mercedes-Benz wrote:1 pitstop race is too predictable. Singapore is especially a joke as they intentionally driver several secs slow to make 1 stop work :uhoh:
As opposed to basically ensuring that everyone uses the same strategy by imposing 2 pit stops?

We want unpredictability, we want SC assisted wins which you have more chance of seeing the more pit stops you impose.
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pokerman wrote:Crofty and Chandhook on how to improve F1, use all 3 compounds in the race, reverse grids, less practice sessions, apparently new fans are more important, good luck with that. :uhoh:
I've never understood people asking for a rule enforcing all 3 compounds are used. One of the good things about F1 currently is that we have a large amount of flexibility in strategies. This has created a lot of excitement this year with teams gambling on a one stop or a two and us not knowing if they will be able to make it work. it keeps the teams on their toes and gives us far more dynamic races. By enforcing two stops you ensure every basically does the same.

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https://www.racefans.net/2019/11/29/bottas-grosjean/

Well i have yet to see it as i haven't watched the highlights and haven't seen the official F1 highlights either. But Bottas has been given a reprimand. If something in just practice is enough to be given a reprimand, I think it does take quite a bit. I remember Verstappen getting one fore something in Canada 2016, but I don't think it happens often.

Ok, i have seen the video now. That certainly is clearly more Bottas's fault than Grosjean's. It looks like Grosjean was aware that Bottas was close, but probably didn't expect him to go there. I think Grosjean could ahve reacted better. But I don't know why Bottas was carrying so much speed as if he was racing. certainly can see why he has been reprimanded for this.
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:https://www.racefans.net/2019/11/29/bottas-grosjean/

Well i have yet to see it as i haven't watched the highlights and haven't seen the official F1 highlights either. But Bottas has been given a reprimand. If something in just practice is enough to be given a reprimand, I think it does take quite a bit. I remember Verstappen getting one fore something in Canada 2016, but I don't think it happens often.
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JN23 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:https://www.racefans.net/2019/11/29/bottas-grosjean/

Well i have yet to see it as i haven't watched the highlights and haven't seen the official F1 highlights either. But Bottas has been given a reprimand. If something in just practice is enough to be given a reprimand, I think it does take quite a bit. I remember Verstappen getting one fore something in Canada 2016, but I don't think it happens often.
Here you go: https://twitter.com/skysportsf1/status/ ... 26561?s=21
yea i just edited my post as i have watched the highlights now. This here though has made me think Grosjean hardly has any blame.

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Mercedes-Benz wrote:1 pitstop race is too predictable. Singapore is especially a joke as they intentionally driver several secs slow to make 1 stop work :uhoh:
As opposed to basically ensuring that everyone uses the same strategy by imposing 2 pit stops?

We want unpredictability, we want SC assisted wins which you have more chance of seeing the more pit stops you impose.
It will only be disadvantage if driver starting behind and want to make places, track position by doing less pitstop. But
more often than not they are still doing the same thing.
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At least with a 2 stop race there is even a chance we might see something different. At the moment nearly every race being a 1 stop race is predictable and boring and the delta to overtake at the front is too much, the only thing that makes it interesting is that Mercedes is great on its tyres and the Ferrari isnt so good but then that requires Ferrari to qualify out front.
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It's not visually apparent how slow the cars are going to nurse tires to a pitstop window in a one-stop race. As I mentioned in the improvement thread a month ago, make the teams use all three compounds (2-stops). It was fun to see it discussed during P2.

The order in which the teams choose to use each compound will be more interesting watching... drivers burning down their tires while racing hard, rather than watching a station keeping procession to conserve rubber.

Teams that can't manage their tires well will then be able to race harder. You Tifosi out there will understand this.
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tootsie323 wrote:
JN23 wrote:Ricciardo's had an engine failure in this session. Renault said the engine got within 15 minutes of its expected expiry time!
... of 16 minutes.
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Improve F1 by getting rid of pit stops and hard tires. The drivers can pit when they want and put on what tires they want but as there is no hard compound running a sigle set for the whole race is not possible. Unless of course the driver stays considerably slower than everybody else!

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pokerman wrote:Crofty and Chandhook on how to improve F1, use all 3 compounds in the race, reverse grids, less practice sessions, apparently new fans are more important, good luck with that. :uhoh:
He's delusional. Also thinks blue flags will spice up racing. I'd feel sorry for Crofty if he was axed off Sky, but he's been commentating there for 8 years and still hasn't improved.

I'm surprised Chandhook is going along with these ideas. I thought he's usually pretty shrewd in his thinking.
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DFWdude wrote:It's not visually apparent how slow the cars are going to nurse tires to a pitstop window in a one-stop race. As I mentioned in the improvement thread a month ago, make the teams use all three compounds (2-stops). It was fun to see it discussed during P2.

The order in which the teams choose to use each compound will be more interesting watching... drivers burning down their tires while racing hard, rather than watching a station keeping procession to conserve rubber.

Teams that can't manage their tires well will then be able to race harder. You Tifosi out there will understand this.
Regarding use of 3 compounds, it’s important to understand whether you would actually see different strategies though, or if the front teams would just figure out the quickest or least risky combination and this would just trickle down the order with everyone competitive enough following suit, and then the normal mid-pack taking some gambles.

Is the offset from the different compounds sufficient to overtake at many circuits. At the moment we only see cars on fresh tyres with sufficient offset to those one-stopping able to make quick passes and avoid getting held up. Are cars starting on faster tyres just going to get stuck behind the others most of the time?

Wouldn’t the lead cars just start on the hard tyre forcing those behind to do the same? And the teams with better tyre management may still have greater flexibility to pit earlier, but it does effectively eliminate that variable, which in theory would limit the strategies available would it not?

Genuinely interested as I know others who think this would be a good idea.

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Should add that the above is based on the assumption that the top-10 don’t have to start the race on qualifying tyres, which would presumably be dropped. All it does is mean that the cars qualifying 7-10 are compromised to the chasing pack, and restricted from making gains on the top 6.

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Crofty is officially now the biggest idiot on the whole sky team, actually quite liked the guy before but this season particularly he's been thick

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Kev627 wrote:Improve F1 by getting rid of pit stops and hard tires. The drivers can pit when they want and put on what tires they want but as there is no hard compound running a sigle set for the whole race is not possible. Unless of course the driver stays considerably slower than everybody else!
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It's amazing how many ideas to improve F1 are things that have been the case at some point in the past but were changed in the name of improving F1...

Anyway,
It feels like unless it's going to the wire Abu Dhabi has a certain anticlimactic end of term feel to it, especially after Brazil. Maybe that's okay though, as it's probably good to have a bit of a warm down now the season is sooo long. It'll probably be an epic now I say this :)
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Tufty wrote:
Kev627 wrote:Improve F1 by getting rid of pit stops and hard tires. The drivers can pit when they want and put on what tires they want but as there is no hard compound running a sigle set for the whole race is not possible. Unless of course the driver stays considerably slower than everybody else!
You lost me at this point, I'm afraid.
Sorry, getting rid of compulsory pit stops! x(

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