shoot999 wrote:The reason Hamilton and every other driver at the last corner didn't get penalised at that corner is that they do not get penalised for going off at corners where they do not gain time. The penalty is the time they already have lost. Its the reason the sausage kerb is placed just before the corner. It stops the drivers opening up the corner.
No one is ever going to invest the time, energy and massive costs associated with policing those corners; which make up the majority of a track, now or in the future. It's a pipe dream and not of any interest to most of those who watch or participate in the sport.
For those small number of corners where its clear abuses can and do take place simple monitoring systems suffice; and the roll out of colour coding has alleviated that issue.
That just leaves very few corners at each track; in the UK its no more than 2 or 3 identifiable corners at the various tracks, that need the hi-tech monitoring systems in place.
It seem the only solution offered by the purist is a simple 'automatic exclusion'. Unfortunately this mantra is then followed by a dozen different categories, sub divisions, and caveats that need to go to stewards for adjudication before we get a grid or race result. The very people who decide a red car at Monza is on track even when its not.
I do enjoy this discussion shoot, even if we disagree!
The time that they have lost, it is just not a valid argument in my view. As an extreme example, as they rules stand, even 1 mm of wheel contact with the white line is legal (Monza or not!). 1 mm off the white line should be a penalty. Would you say that they lost so much time that they don't need to be penalised by being a mere 2 mm away? Not really, it would be ridiculous.
Also remember that the drivers already enjoy a very big privilege but allowing them to go off track with two wheels, gaining the best part of the car's width (almost 2m). It effectively makes the track almost 4m wider overall (walls excluded!). To try and abuse it by going further outside and then cry that it is unfair, well this is just absurd.
I think that they do gain time, otherwise why do they do it? Please don't say because they push again, as they push in order to go faster, to gain time, it is the whole idea of racing. If they had to slow down/lift/not go flat out in order to take the corner as they should, i.e. within the track, then they would go slower than going flat out but off the track. So you can't really say that they don't gain time, can you? It also has the inherent risk that they can lose the car off the track, yet they still do it. There must be something to gain. Please note that this is not the same for every corner obviously.
Can i ask if you have another solution than the "automatic exclusion" (of just that lap time)? Do we now prefer 0 punishment for breaking a rule? I think it is a very good solution for Qualis, their best "legal" time still stands, the one that was achieved by going off track should be written off. What is so weird about this?
I agree wholeheartedly that policing this can be expensive and they may just ignore it altogether, although it doesn't have to be super expensive. But then they will have to change the rule, as it is farcical to say one thing in the rules and do another in practice. Oh man, it feels like we are going in circles now