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Invade wrote:They are showing replays of the Hamilton-Albon incident. I believe Hamilton should be given a penalty for an incident which is borderline a racing incident.

Invade wrote:

bourbon19 wrote:

Invade wrote:Tough times to be a Vettel fan TBH, generally speaking. But hey, he wins races and most of the grid doesn't.

Tough times to be a Brundle fan, generally speaking. But hey, he gets most the speaking gigs whereas most of the race journos don't.
Someday I'll make a point on these threads and it will be understood. Someday.

I'm somewhat confused by this response? But okie dokie.

mikeyg123 wrote:

Invade wrote:They are showing replays of the Hamilton-Albon incident. I believe Hamilton should be given a penalty for an incident which is borderline a racing incident.

You don't think Albon should have given Hamilton room once he got alongside?

mikeyg123 wrote:Does Mattia have the balls to blame Vettel? My guess is no.

Please one of the pundits ask him what he thinks Leclerc did wrong?

Invade wrote:They are showing replays of the Hamilton-Albon incident. I believe Hamilton should be given a penalty for an incident which is borderline a racing incident.

bourbon19 wrote:

Invade wrote:

bourbon19 wrote:

Invade wrote:Tough times to be a Vettel fan TBH, generally speaking. But hey, he wins races and most of the grid doesn't.

Tough times to be a Brundle fan, generally speaking. But hey, he gets most the speaking gigs whereas most of the race journos don't.
Someday I'll make a point on these threads and it will be understood. Someday.

I'm somewhat confused by this response? But okie dokie.

I am sure. You are speaking about Vettel and Leclerc, and I was speaking about the commentators, upset at them.

Seb was ahead after passing on the outside in turn 3 and naturally he was going to pull of Charles along the straight. But for some reason, this is a completely unexpected move. Whereas Hamilton spearing Albon of the track is quite expected and usual, despite Hamilton accepting his own error. They are still sitting there saying it is more Albon's fault that his. I find the commentary ridiculous. Truly that is my only opinion here.

As to the incident, I accept people calling it for Seb or Charles, I will call it a race incident. Ferrari lost.

Asphalt_World wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:Does Mattia have the balls to blame Vettel? My guess is no.

Please one of the pundits ask him what he thinks Leclerc did wrong?

He's a team boss and gains nothing for the team by coming out a blaming a driver. We may want to hear it, but it causes nothing but issues within his team. It's a pointless exercise for him.

bourbon19 wrote:

Invade wrote:

bourbon19 wrote:

Invade wrote:Tough times to be a Vettel fan TBH, generally speaking. But hey, he wins races and most of the grid doesn't.

Tough times to be a Brundle fan, generally speaking. But hey, he gets most the speaking gigs whereas most of the race journos don't.
Someday I'll make a point on these threads and it will be understood. Someday.

I'm somewhat confused by this response? But okie dokie.

I am sure. You are speaking about Vettel and Leclerc, and I was speaking about the commentators, upset at them.

Seb was ahead after passing on the outside in turn 3 and naturally he was going to pull ahead of Charles along the straight, to the left. But for some reason, this is a completely unexpected move. Whereas Hamilton spearing Albon of the track is quite expected and usual, despite Hamilton accepting his own error. They are still sitting there saying it is more Albon's fault that his. I find the commentary ridiculous. Truly that is my only opinion here.

As to the incident, I accept people calling it for Seb or Charles, I will call it a race incident. Ferrari lost.

mikeyg123 wrote:Does Mattia have the balls to blame Vettel? My guess is no.

Please one of the pundits ask him what he thinks Leclerc did wrong?

bourbon19 wrote:

Invade wrote:

bourbon19 wrote:

Invade wrote:Tough times to be a Vettel fan TBH, generally speaking. But hey, he wins races and most of the grid doesn't.

Tough times to be a Brundle fan, generally speaking. But hey, he gets most the speaking gigs whereas most of the race journos don't.
Someday I'll make a point on these threads and it will be understood. Someday.

I'm somewhat confused by this response? But okie dokie.

I am sure. You are speaking about Vettel and Leclerc, and I was speaking about the commentators, upset at them.

Seb was ahead after passing on the outside in turn 3 and naturally he was going to pull ahead of Charles along the straight, to the left. But for some reason, this is a completely unexpected move. Whereas Hamilton spearing Albon of the track is quite expected and usual, despite Hamilton accepting his own error. They are still sitting there saying it is more Albon's fault that his. I find the commentary ridiculous. Truly that is my only opinion here.

As to the incident, I accept people calling it for Seb or Charles, I will call it a race incident. Ferrari lost.

mikeyg123 wrote:

Asphalt_World wrote:

mikeyg123 wrote:Does Mattia have the balls to blame Vettel? My guess is no.

Please one of the pundits ask him what he thinks Leclerc did wrong?

He's a team boss and gains nothing for the team by coming out a blaming a driver. We may want to hear it, but it causes nothing but issues within his team. It's a pointless exercise for him.

Does it? If you were Leclerc would you not be tiddled at being partially blamed for something that is not your fault? Blaming both when one is clearly at fault I would think is more damaging. If I was Leclerc hearing that I would be spitting tacks.

mikeyg123 wrote:Compare the difference in reaction of Hamilton after the Albon crash and Vettel after the Lecelrc crash.

Clarky wrote:Mercedes had a strategy nightmare today.

mikeyg123 wrote:I just want to note the fantastic driving between Gasly and Hamilton coming down to the chequered flags. Wheels overlapping at 180MPH whilst turning. That could have been a plane crash.

mikeyg123 wrote:

Clarky wrote:Mercedes had a strategy nightmare today.

I don't know. I think they were trying to win in a car not quite faster enough to win so they were making low percentage calls.

Clarky wrote:Mercedes had a strategy nightmare today.

JN23 wrote:

Clarky wrote:Mercedes had a strategy nightmare today.

Not sure I’d call it a nightmare.

The Bottas strategy was weird.

Doing the opposite of verstappen at the first safety car was their best chance of winning at that point and I think Hamilton said the pit stop at the second SC was his call. Not great but not a disaster, they did try and undercut Verstappen twice and were successful once.

JN23 wrote:

Clarky wrote:Mercedes had a strategy nightmare today.

Not sure I’d call it a nightmare.

The Bottas strategy was weird.

Doing the opposite of verstappen at the first safety car was their best chance of winning at that point and I think Hamilton said the pit stop at the second SC was his call. Not great but not a disaster, they did try and undercut Verstappen twice and were successful once.

sandman1347 wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Clarky wrote:Mercedes had a strategy nightmare today.

Not sure I’d call it a nightmare.

The Bottas strategy was weird.

Doing the opposite of verstappen at the first safety car was their best chance of winning at that point and I think Hamilton said the pit stop at the second SC was his call. Not great but not a disaster, they did try and undercut Verstappen twice and were successful once.

It doesn't really matter anyway does it? They've got both titles done and dusted. I think they were just trying to find a way to win in a race where Red Bull had their number.

mikeyg123 wrote:I just want to note the fantastic driving between Gasly and Hamilton coming down to the chequered flags. Wheels overlapping at 180MPH whilst turning. That could have been a plane crash.

mikeyg123 wrote:

bourbon19 wrote:

Invade wrote:

bourbon19 wrote:

Invade wrote:Tough times to be a Vettel fan TBH, generally speaking. But hey, he wins races and most of the grid doesn't.

Tough times to be a Brundle fan, generally speaking. But hey, he gets most the speaking gigs whereas most of the race journos don't.
Someday I'll make a point on these threads and it will be understood. Someday.

I'm somewhat confused by this response? But okie dokie.

I am sure. You are speaking about Vettel and Leclerc, and I was speaking about the commentators, upset at them.

Seb was ahead after passing on the outside in turn 3 and naturally he was going to pull of Charles along the straight. But for some reason, this is a completely unexpected move. Whereas Hamilton spearing Albon of the track is quite expected and usual, despite Hamilton accepting his own error. They are still sitting there saying it is more Albon's fault that his. I find the commentary ridiculous. Truly that is my only opinion here.

As to the incident, I accept people calling it for Seb or Charles, I will call it a race incident. Ferrari lost.

What? You didn't see Vettel turn left into Leclerc half way down the straight?

sandman1347 wrote:

JN23 wrote:

Clarky wrote:Mercedes had a strategy nightmare today.

Not sure I’d call it a nightmare.

The Bottas strategy was weird.

Doing the opposite of verstappen at the first safety car was their best chance of winning at that point and I think Hamilton said the pit stop at the second SC was his call. Not great but not a disaster, they did try and undercut Verstappen twice and were successful once.

It doesn't really matter anyway does it? They've got both titles done and dusted. I think they were just trying to find a way to win in a race where Red Bull had their number.

bourbon19 wrote: I will discuss the incident with you - I was not discussing the incident above, I was discussing the commentating.


As I see it, Charles had not given up the fight. After Vettel passed him on the outside of turn 3, and came out ahead on the subsequent straight, Charles had no intention of letting Vettel cover him off. He stayed to the middle - right of the track, knowing that Seb was planning to cover him off. When Seb made his move, Charles anticipated this - knowing exactly what Seb was going to try to do and purposely gave no quarter at all, figuring like Bottas, Seb would buck. But Seb, figuring it was his teammate, did not expect this behavior. He believed Charles would allow him to cover him off considering how far ahead he was (incident was Seb's rear right with Charles front left), and then come back along the straight with DRS and make a battle of it. But Charles is not mature enough for that yet. Like Verstappen of old, he still has the mindset of a rookie and makes poor decisions. He's getting better, but until he does, this is going to happen. Vettel has to recognize his teammate's immaturity and make concessions for this when they go wheel to wheel. Thus, I do lay blame with both. Avoidable, but since both are to blame, race incident. This is what Mattias said as well - you have to see this from the point of view of both drivers, so I agree with him on this.

bourbon19 wrote: I will discuss the incident with you - I was not discussing the incident above, I was discussing the commentating.


As I see it, Charles had not given up the fight. After Vettel passed him on the outside of turn 3, and came out ahead on the subsequent straight, Charles had no intention of letting Vettel cover him off. He stayed to the middle - right of the track, knowing that Seb was planning to cover him off. When Seb made his move, Charles anticipated this - knowing exactly what Seb was going to try to do and purposely gave no quarter at all, figuring like Bottas, Seb would buck. But Seb, figuring it was his teammate, did not expect this behavior. He believed Charles would allow him to cover him off considering how far ahead he was (incident was Seb's rear right with Charles front left), and then come back along the straight with DRS and make a battle of it. But Charles is not mature enough for that yet. Like Verstappen of old, he still has the mindset of a rookie and makes poor decisions. He's getting better, but until he does, this is going to happen. Vettel has to recognize his teammate's immaturity and make concessions for this when they go wheel to wheel. Thus, I do lay blame with both. Avoidable, but since both are to blame, race incident. This is what Mattias said as well - you have to see this from the point of view of both drivers, so I agree with him on this.

bourbon19 wrote:

I will discuss the incident with you - I was not discussing the incident above, I was discussing the commentating.


As I see it, Charles had not given up the fight. After Vettel passed him on the outside of turn 3, and came out ahead on the subsequent straight, Charles had no intention of letting Vettel cover him off. He stayed to the middle - right of the track, knowing that Seb was planning to cover him off. When Seb made his move, Charles anticipated this - knowing exactly what Seb was going to try to do and purposely gave no quarter at all, figuring like Bottas, Seb would buck. But Seb, figuring it was his teammate, did not expect this behavior. He believed Charles would allow him to cover him off considering how far ahead he was (incident was Seb's rear right with Charles front left), and then come back along the straight with DRS and make a battle of it. But Charles is not mature enough for that yet. Like Verstappen of old, he still has the mindset of a rookie and makes poor decisions. He's getting better, but until he does, this is going to happen. Vettel has to recognize his teammate's immaturity and make concessions for this when they go wheel to wheel. Thus, I do lay blame with both. Avoidable, but since both are to blame, race incident. This is what Mattias said as well - you have to see this from the point of view of both drivers, so I agree with him on this.