2019 Brazilian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:08 pm
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Ferrari say Charles Leclerc will have a new engine in Brazil this weekend, following his failure in practice in Austin - and that means a grid penalty. Exact number of places not confirmed yet
I was thinking the same, it would be great to have a dry quali. The best should still rise to the top, but a few weird positions would be lovely on a track that has shown some good overtaking.Mort Canard wrote:Rain during qualifying would be lovely!! Would love to see which drivers rise to the occasion.
IIRC Max, Seb and even Lewis have all had mediocre rain races in the last year or so.
Or, perhaps, wet?Siao7 wrote:I was thinking the same, it would be great to have a dry quali. The best should still rise to the top, but a few weird positions would be lovely on a track that has shown some good overtaking.Mort Canard wrote:Rain during qualifying would be lovely!! Would love to see which drivers rise to the occasion.
IIRC Max, Seb and even Lewis have all had mediocre rain races in the last year or so.
Oh yeah, that one!!! Thank youCovalent wrote:Or, perhaps, wet?Siao7 wrote:I was thinking the same, it would be great to have a dry quali. The best should still rise to the top, but a few weird positions would be lovely on a track that has shown some good overtaking.Mort Canard wrote:Rain during qualifying would be lovely!! Would love to see which drivers rise to the occasion.
IIRC Max, Seb and even Lewis have all had mediocre rain races in the last year or so.
not once but twice. He won’t get a penalty as it’s practice but he was just on the racing one going very slowly. Not clever.Clarky wrote:Bottas jesus christ
If he’s going slowly then he should be off line regardless shouldn’t he? If it happened in quality I imagine it would be a slam dunk penalty.TheGiantHogweed wrote:I'm not sure Bottas will escape a penalty if it was that bad. If it was clearly dangerous, i think it will likely be a reprimand. Verstappen got one in Canada one year in practice if I am correct. I haven't yet seen this myself, but Bottas was apparently suddenly told that Hamilton was two seconds behind him. I'm not sure that Bottas could have had much time to process this, but he should have seen him in the mirrors and moved off line rather than keep going slowly on it.
Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.JN23 wrote:Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.
Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.
True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?Clarky wrote:Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.JN23 wrote:Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.
Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.
They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.
Could very well be downforce levels.
Its a theory.JN23 wrote:True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?Clarky wrote:Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.JN23 wrote:Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.
Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.
They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.
Could very well be downforce levels.
I think that was always the case, to be honest. I remember Autosport did an analysis in Russia where they found that Ferrari had basically held consistent with their 2018 speeds in the speed traps -- it was Mercedes that had actively gotten slower between 2018 and 2019. I think there's a certain level to which Mercedes is pulling a McLaren: their car is draggier than Ferrari, and they're blaming it all on the engine difference.JN23 wrote:True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?
At this point it's just practice, clearly Ferrari found speed after the summer break in respect to corner speed, this is what enabled them to start dominating qualifying, they basically found more down force but still maintained their straight line speed advantage.Exediron wrote:I think that was always the case, to be honest. I remember Autosport did an analysis in Russia where they found that Ferrari had basically held consistent with their 2018 speeds in the speed traps -- it was Mercedes that had actively gotten slower between 2018 and 2019. I think there's a certain level to which Mercedes is pulling a McLaren: their car is draggier than Ferrari, and they're blaming it all on the engine difference.JN23 wrote:True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?
Interesting point.Exediron wrote:I think that was always the case, to be honest. I remember Autosport did an analysis in Russia where they found that Ferrari had basically held consistent with their 2018 speeds in the speed traps -- it was Mercedes that had actively gotten slower between 2018 and 2019. I think there's a certain level to which Mercedes is pulling a McLaren: their car is draggier than Ferrari, and they're blaming it all on the engine difference.JN23 wrote:True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?
Seems a very plausible explanation. Can't say it's true but could be.JN23 wrote:True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?Clarky wrote:Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.JN23 wrote:Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.
Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.
They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.
Could very well be downforce levels.
So let me get this straight... If Ferrari is slower, it is because they were cheating. If Ferrari is faster it is because they are trying to cover up the suggestion that they were cheating. It would appear that Ferrari is in a can't win situation with some.JN23 wrote:True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?Clarky wrote:Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.JN23 wrote:Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.
Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.
They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.
Could very well be downforce levels.
Or if the other teams have added wing to their cars to keep it in the spotlight!JN23 wrote:True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?Clarky wrote:Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.JN23 wrote:Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.
Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.
They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.
Could very well be downforce levels.
Circling back to this, Ferrari add down force after the summer break but still keep their straight line advantage, Mercedes add down force but lose performance on the straight, what happened to Mercedes tends to be the norm.Exediron wrote:I think that was always the case, to be honest. I remember Autosport did an analysis in Russia where they found that Ferrari had basically held consistent with their 2018 speeds in the speed traps -- it was Mercedes that had actively gotten slower between 2018 and 2019. I think there's a certain level to which Mercedes is pulling a McLaren: their car is draggier than Ferrari, and they're blaming it all on the engine difference.JN23 wrote:True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?
Bottom line to all this is lap times in particular in qualifying, since the summer break Ferrari have been about 3 tenths quicker in qualifying, last time in Austin that was not the case, let's see what happens in Brazil.Asphalt_World wrote:Of if the other teams have added wing to their cars to keep it in the spotlight!JN23 wrote:True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?Clarky wrote:Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.JN23 wrote:Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.
Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.
They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.
Could very well be downforce levels.
What I said is a possibility, I don’t necessarily believe it though. I have no idea if they’ve been cheating. You like to get your knickers in a twist when ever someone dares to say something even slightly negative about Ferrari don’t you?Blake wrote:So let me get this straight... If Ferrari is slower, it is because they were cheating. If Ferrari is faster it is because they are trying to cover up the suggestion that they were cheating. It would appear that Ferrari is in a can't win situation with some.JN23 wrote:True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?Clarky wrote:Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.JN23 wrote:Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.
Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.
They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.
Could very well be downforce levels.