Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:32 pm
by Invade
Lewis Hamilton goes on and on with a drive, commitment and determination which is to be admired. Once again he has produced a stellar performance and helped to lead his team, Mercedes, to yet more great and prolific success, in what now must be considered the most dominant era for any team in Formula 1 history.
It's been a quite extraordinary journey so far. In the aftermath of this accomplishment, please leave your comments, thoughts, opinions here.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:39 pm
by JN23
A massive congratulations to Lewis - the greatest of his generation and up there with the best of all times. I look forward to following his quest for seven (and hopefully beyond) and the wins record.
This season has been one of consistently high performance, with his only off race being Austria. Hopefully he finishes the season in the same manner
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:58 pm
by F1 Racer
JN23 wrote:A massive congratulations to Lewis - the greatest of his generation and up there with the best of all times. I look forward to following his quest for seven (and hopefully beyond) and the wins record.
This season has been one of consistently high performance, with his only off race being Austria. Hopefully he finishes the season in the same manner
Germany was an off race too, sliding off the track when in the lead.
That being said, he was still the best this year for sure.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:06 pm
by sandman1347
Yes Congrats are in order. Another outstanding season in a legendary career. It's also amazing to consider that, in the last 20 F1 seasons, either Hamilton, Vettel or Schumacher have been WDC 15 times! That's 75% of the titles going to 3 guys over a 2 decade time period! Not sure you'll ever see that again.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:14 pm
by Invade
sandman1347 wrote:Yes Congrats are in order. Another outstanding season in a legendary career. It's also amazing to consider that, in the last 20 F1 seasons, either Hamilton, Vettel or Schumacher have been WDC 15 times! That's 75% of the titles going to 3 guys over a 2 decade time period! Not sure you'll ever see that again.
Given where the sport is headed, I can't quite imagine only three drivers sharing 75% of Championships from 2020-2039. In theory, the competition should close up in the next chapter for Formula 1. Also, two of the drivers who are a part of the stat you just mentioned were/are particularly special.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:26 am
by Longnose
Congratulation Lewis!!! I have been a big fan since he started in 2007. What I see now is a much more refined and consistent driver now, truly the master of his craft. An amazing accomplishment to be a 6xWDC champion, and I am glad to hear that he still feels that he will be at this for a few more years.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:34 pm
by Blinky McSquinty
Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton for winning the 2019 World Driving Championship.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:42 pm
by Invade
I expected a very muted response to this thread with not much in the way of opinion nor reflection. Nonetheless, I shall keep us ticking with a few articles found over the WWW.
“I have been asked a lot about young drivers coming up, ‘Do you see Senna in them’, and I always say: ‘No, Senna was different, he wasn’t comparable.’ But now Lewis reminds me very much of Ayrton in how he performs every time. Under difficult circumstances, on street circuits, quick circuits, in rain and dry, in reading the race, in being fit, in the politics. Lewis is, like Ayrton, complete.”
"I'm in awe of his relentless achievements, and I have no doubt he is one of the UK's greatest-ever sportsmen. Furthermore, there can be no realistic debate about 'greatest racing drivers of all time' without including Lewis."
“Lewis, if he had in his contract the same things [as Schumacher], he would have had to been able to pass [Valtteri] Bottas [to win the race].
For me, that is a flaw factor for Michael. Seven World Championships… how many would he have won if he hadn’t had the influence and support of the other people in the team?
Lewis is already in a different league, in my opinion. He’s done it on his own."
"From everything I know from the history of F1, from competing and watching racing, from Juan Manuel Fangio through Jimmy Clark and Graham Hill and Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda, Nelson Piquet, Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Michael Schumacher and all the other guys in between, I think Lewis is the best."
"At the moment, it is still Michael Schumacher who comes out as the best F1 driver.
Hamilton, though, is the better champion. Schumacher's career comes with too many black marks to be considered "greater" than Hamilton or the best of all time. There have been few better representatives of the sport than Hamilton in the last two decades on and off the track."
Provocative stuff, no doubt. There are a lot of strong and decisive opinions in these articles. As far as I'm concerned, Lewis Hamilton is still active and has many trials and tribulations ahead, but appreciate that it's their job to offer an opinion and not wait for a career to be over and settled.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:35 pm
by sandman1347
^^Invade^^
Some very high praise there indeed. I have to agree with you overall that it is much easier to put someone's career in proper perspective after it is over. With that said, the most universally reasonable comment in your post comes (surprisingly) from Martin Brundle, when he says that "there can be no realistic debate about 'greatest racing drivers of all time' without including Lewis." I think Lewis has firmly moved into the elite, best of the best category. From there, different people will have different opinions and weight different aspects of a driver's career differently but Lewis is undeniably among the top-tier of all time drivers in the sport.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:49 pm
by Rockie
Invade wrote:I expected a very muted response to this thread with not much in the way of opinion nor reflection. Nonetheless, I shall keep us ticking with a few articles found over the WWW.
“I have been asked a lot about young drivers coming up, ‘Do you see Senna in them’, and I always say: ‘No, Senna was different, he wasn’t comparable.’ But now Lewis reminds me very much of Ayrton in how he performs every time. Under difficult circumstances, on street circuits, quick circuits, in rain and dry, in reading the race, in being fit, in the politics. Lewis is, like Ayrton, complete.”
"I'm in awe of his relentless achievements, and I have no doubt he is one of the UK's greatest-ever sportsmen. Furthermore, there can be no realistic debate about 'greatest racing drivers of all time' without including Lewis."
“Lewis, if he had in his contract the same things [as Schumacher], he would have had to been able to pass [Valtteri] Bottas [to win the race].
For me, that is a flaw factor for Michael. Seven World Championships… how many would he have won if he hadn’t had the influence and support of the other people in the team?
Lewis is already in a different league, in my opinion. He’s done it on his own."
"From everything I know from the history of F1, from competing and watching racing, from Juan Manuel Fangio through Jimmy Clark and Graham Hill and Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda, Nelson Piquet, Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Michael Schumacher and all the other guys in between, I think Lewis is the best."
"At the moment, it is still Michael Schumacher who comes out as the best F1 driver.
Hamilton, though, is the better champion. Schumacher's career comes with too many black marks to be considered "greater" than Hamilton or the best of all time. There have been few better representatives of the sport than Hamilton in the last two decades on and off the track."
Provocative stuff, no doubt. There are a lot of strong and decisive opinions in these articles. As far as I'm concerned, Lewis Hamilton is still active and has many trials and tribulations ahead, but appreciate that it's their job to offer an opinion and not wait for a career to be over and settled.
F1 indeed is a fickle sport, all you need to do is go back to the end of '12 and '13 and read what this same people said about Vettel also fast forward 5 years and maybe then Max is a 3x champ and watch the he is better than Senna accolades roll out!
Also congrats to Hamilton on his achievements.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
"I'm in awe of his relentless achievements, and I have no doubt he is one of the UK's greatest-ever sportsmen. Furthermore, there can be no realistic debate about 'greatest racing drivers of all time' without including Lewis."
Not a bad endorsement from someone who apparently has some sort of agenda against Lewis...
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:14 pm
by Teddy007
Rockie wrote:
F1 indeed is a fickle sport, all you need to do is go back to the end of '12 and '13 and read what this same people said about Vettel also fast forward 5 years and maybe then Max is a 3x champ and watch the he is better than Senna accolades roll out!
Also congrats to Hamilton on his achievements.
I don't think a lot of people predicted that Sebastian would struggle to win a championship when he joined Ferrari. he did one thing though, He really showed Kimi up consistently.
Lewis also had an off season with Mclaren, he made consistent mistakes and so did Mclaren on his behalf. Button was best of the rest next to Seb.
But that season really did educate Lewis on "know when to take the risks". Lewis has lost out to a team mate on the championship. He lost out in 2007. 2011 really hurt his ego. Sometimes losing out actually helps you as a driver. Lewis has made a lot less mistakes since that time. In fact, he questioned Max on his collision with a car not racing him which cost him a victory.
Lewis knows that consistency can sometimes play a big part in winning a title. That's why he has won more.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:15 pm
by SteveW
I'm British, but not a Lewis fan (even though I support all the British drivers to a point).
I may not like him a lot of the time (obviously I don't know him so this is based purely on my perception of him as portrayed in the press and on TV etc) - but you cannot ignore the fact that he is one hell of a racing driver and deserves all that he has achieved.
He will, I'm sure, go on to become on paper at least, the greatest of all time.
As sandman has already said, once a driver gets to that level and is one of the "best of the best" it all comes down to personal opinion as to which one of them actually sits at the top of the tree and that's fine, I have no issue with that. But Lewis is right up there with the best of them and will be for generations to come.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:38 pm
by pokerman
Invade wrote:I expected a very muted response to this thread with not much in the way of opinion nor reflection. Nonetheless, I shall keep us ticking with a few articles found over the WWW.
“I have been asked a lot about young drivers coming up, ‘Do you see Senna in them’, and I always say: ‘No, Senna was different, he wasn’t comparable.’ But now Lewis reminds me very much of Ayrton in how he performs every time. Under difficult circumstances, on street circuits, quick circuits, in rain and dry, in reading the race, in being fit, in the politics. Lewis is, like Ayrton, complete.”
"I'm in awe of his relentless achievements, and I have no doubt he is one of the UK's greatest-ever sportsmen. Furthermore, there can be no realistic debate about 'greatest racing drivers of all time' without including Lewis."
“Lewis, if he had in his contract the same things [as Schumacher], he would have had to been able to pass [Valtteri] Bottas [to win the race].
For me, that is a flaw factor for Michael. Seven World Championships… how many would he have won if he hadn’t had the influence and support of the other people in the team?
Lewis is already in a different league, in my opinion. He’s done it on his own."
"From everything I know from the history of F1, from competing and watching racing, from Juan Manuel Fangio through Jimmy Clark and Graham Hill and Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda, Nelson Piquet, Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Michael Schumacher and all the other guys in between, I think Lewis is the best."
"At the moment, it is still Michael Schumacher who comes out as the best F1 driver.
Hamilton, though, is the better champion. Schumacher's career comes with too many black marks to be considered "greater" than Hamilton or the best of all time. There have been few better representatives of the sport than Hamilton in the last two decades on and off the track."
Provocative stuff, no doubt. There are a lot of strong and decisive opinions in these articles. As far as I'm concerned, Lewis Hamilton is still active and has many trials and tribulations ahead, but appreciate that it's their job to offer an opinion and not wait for a career to be over and settled.
It's interesting to see the comparisons with Schumacher and i agree that in a sporting sense Hamilton is the better champion.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:39 pm
by pokerman
sandman1347 wrote:^^Invade^^
Some very high praise there indeed. I have to agree with you overall that it is much easier to put someone's career in proper perspective after it is over. With that said, the most universally reasonable comment in your post comes (surprisingly) from Martin Brundle, when he says that "there can be no realistic debate about 'greatest racing drivers of all time' without including Lewis." I think Lewis has firmly moved into the elite, best of the best category. From there, different people will have different opinions and weight different aspects of a driver's career differently but Lewis is undeniably among the top-tier of all time drivers in the sport.
Yeah I think anybody would be hard pressed to argue that he hasn't earned that right.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:49 pm
by froze
Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton for winning the 2019 World Driving Championship.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:53 pm
by pokerman
Rockie wrote:
Invade wrote:I expected a very muted response to this thread with not much in the way of opinion nor reflection. Nonetheless, I shall keep us ticking with a few articles found over the WWW.
“I have been asked a lot about young drivers coming up, ‘Do you see Senna in them’, and I always say: ‘No, Senna was different, he wasn’t comparable.’ But now Lewis reminds me very much of Ayrton in how he performs every time. Under difficult circumstances, on street circuits, quick circuits, in rain and dry, in reading the race, in being fit, in the politics. Lewis is, like Ayrton, complete.”
"I'm in awe of his relentless achievements, and I have no doubt he is one of the UK's greatest-ever sportsmen. Furthermore, there can be no realistic debate about 'greatest racing drivers of all time' without including Lewis."
“Lewis, if he had in his contract the same things [as Schumacher], he would have had to been able to pass [Valtteri] Bottas [to win the race].
For me, that is a flaw factor for Michael. Seven World Championships… how many would he have won if he hadn’t had the influence and support of the other people in the team?
Lewis is already in a different league, in my opinion. He’s done it on his own."
"From everything I know from the history of F1, from competing and watching racing, from Juan Manuel Fangio through Jimmy Clark and Graham Hill and Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda, Nelson Piquet, Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Michael Schumacher and all the other guys in between, I think Lewis is the best."
"At the moment, it is still Michael Schumacher who comes out as the best F1 driver.
Hamilton, though, is the better champion. Schumacher's career comes with too many black marks to be considered "greater" than Hamilton or the best of all time. There have been few better representatives of the sport than Hamilton in the last two decades on and off the track."
Provocative stuff, no doubt. There are a lot of strong and decisive opinions in these articles. As far as I'm concerned, Lewis Hamilton is still active and has many trials and tribulations ahead, but appreciate that it's their job to offer an opinion and not wait for a career to be over and settled.
F1 indeed is a fickle sport, all you need to do is go back to the end of '12 and '13 and read what this same people said about Vettel also fast forward 5 years and maybe then Max is a 3x champ and watch the he is better than Senna accolades roll out!
Also congrats to Hamilton on his achievements.
True but Hamilton is 34 now and I would say been tested more than Vettel had been aged 26 in respect to teammates, so I would say less likely to see something untoward happen in order to change opinion.
In regards to Verstappen he may well get the same accolades in 10 years time but you've got to earn them first.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:18 pm
by sandman1347
Teddy007 wrote:
Rockie wrote:
F1 indeed is a fickle sport, all you need to do is go back to the end of '12 and '13 and read what this same people said about Vettel also fast forward 5 years and maybe then Max is a 3x champ and watch the he is better than Senna accolades roll out!
Also congrats to Hamilton on his achievements.
I don't think a lot of people predicted that Sebastian would struggle to win a championship when he joined Ferrari. he did one thing though, He really showed Kimi up consistently.
Lewis also had an off season with Mclaren, he made consistent mistakes and so did Mclaren on his behalf. Button was best of the rest next to Seb.
But that season really did educate Lewis on "know when to take the risks". Lewis has lost out to a team mate on the championship. He lost out in 2007. 2011 really hurt his ego. Sometimes losing out actually helps you as a driver. Lewis has made a lot less mistakes since that time. In fact, he questioned Max on his collision with a car not racing him which cost him a victory.
Lewis knows that consistency can sometimes play a big part in winning a title. That's why he has won more.
I think some people like to mis-characterize 2011 now that enough time has elapsed for memories to become cloudy. Lewis lost out to Jenson in much the same way that Max is losing out to Albon right now. At no point did Jenson look faster or to be the better driver. Lewis was just in way too many incidents in the second half of the season (when the title had already been decided). I do agree that having such a sloppy season taught him a lesson about the importance of consistency and avoiding incidents but it's really nothing to do with Jenson.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:43 pm
by F1 MERCENARY
Not to mention the personal woes Lewis was enduring. Breaking up with the love of your life is an extremely difficult thing to go through and because you're an elite sportsman/athlete/professional doesn't mean you are somehow different in that regard and can turn everything off and put the visor down and be 100% focused. On the contrary, in that season Lewis was at times concentrated just enough to finish races without doing too poorly, but it was apparent he lacked what has made him so good throughout his entire career, which was consistency. If you look at every season bar 2011 Lewis' consistency is incredible, but in 2011 it wasn't there. He'd string together 2, maybe 3 races where he did well, but then he'd be off for a couple of races and randomly make uncharacteristic mistakes.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:44 pm
by mikeyg123
sandman1347 wrote:
Teddy007 wrote:
Rockie wrote:
F1 indeed is a fickle sport, all you need to do is go back to the end of '12 and '13 and read what this same people said about Vettel also fast forward 5 years and maybe then Max is a 3x champ and watch the he is better than Senna accolades roll out!
Also congrats to Hamilton on his achievements.
I don't think a lot of people predicted that Sebastian would struggle to win a championship when he joined Ferrari. he did one thing though, He really showed Kimi up consistently.
Lewis also had an off season with Mclaren, he made consistent mistakes and so did Mclaren on his behalf. Button was best of the rest next to Seb.
But that season really did educate Lewis on "know when to take the risks". Lewis has lost out to a team mate on the championship. He lost out in 2007. 2011 really hurt his ego. Sometimes losing out actually helps you as a driver. Lewis has made a lot less mistakes since that time. In fact, he questioned Max on his collision with a car not racing him which cost him a victory.
Lewis knows that consistency can sometimes play a big part in winning a title. That's why he has won more.
I think some people like to mis-characterize 2011 now that enough time has elapsed for memories to become cloudy. Lewis lost out to Jenson in much the same way that Max is losing out to Albon right now. At no point did Jenson look faster or to be the better driver. Lewis was just in way too many incidents in the second half of the season (when the title had already been decided). I do agree that having such a sloppy season taught him a lesson about the importance of consistency and avoiding incidents but it's really nothing to do with Jenson.
2011 was the best thing that could have happened to Lewis Hamilton at that point of his career.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:23 pm
by sandman1347
mikeyg123 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
Teddy007 wrote:
Rockie wrote:
F1 indeed is a fickle sport, all you need to do is go back to the end of '12 and '13 and read what this same people said about Vettel also fast forward 5 years and maybe then Max is a 3x champ and watch the he is better than Senna accolades roll out!
Also congrats to Hamilton on his achievements.
I don't think a lot of people predicted that Sebastian would struggle to win a championship when he joined Ferrari. he did one thing though, He really showed Kimi up consistently.
Lewis also had an off season with Mclaren, he made consistent mistakes and so did Mclaren on his behalf. Button was best of the rest next to Seb.
But that season really did educate Lewis on "know when to take the risks". Lewis has lost out to a team mate on the championship. He lost out in 2007. 2011 really hurt his ego. Sometimes losing out actually helps you as a driver. Lewis has made a lot less mistakes since that time. In fact, he questioned Max on his collision with a car not racing him which cost him a victory.
Lewis knows that consistency can sometimes play a big part in winning a title. That's why he has won more.
I think some people like to mis-characterize 2011 now that enough time has elapsed for memories to become cloudy. Lewis lost out to Jenson in much the same way that Max is losing out to Albon right now. At no point did Jenson look faster or to be the better driver. Lewis was just in way too many incidents in the second half of the season (when the title had already been decided). I do agree that having such a sloppy season taught him a lesson about the importance of consistency and avoiding incidents but it's really nothing to do with Jenson.
2011 was the best thing that could have happened to Lewis Hamilton at that point of his career.
I agree in a lot of ways. In my opinion one of the most meaningful differences between Hamilton and Vettel is the way that they respond to low points. It's clear that Hamilton is able to evolve when it becomes clear that there is some area he can improve on. If we take the parallel of 2014 from Sebastian, I don't think we saw any meaningful change to his overall game after that point.
In fact, if you were to list Hamilton's strengths and weaknesses from 10 years ago as opposed to today; you would see certain things that used to be weaknesses (ie: tire management, risk-reward/strategic thinking) now firmly in the strengths category. I just don't see that same kind of evolution from Vettel for example. In fact I struggle to think of any racing driver who has been able to self-improve to the extent that Hamilton has (particularly considering that he started out at such a high level).
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:59 pm
by shay550
Standout Drives:
Melbourne 07' - Great way for Lewis to announce himself - turn 1 around the outside of Fernando and a well deserved podium in his first race. At the time I thought F1 would be boring with the retirement of Michael but Lewis re-energized my interest for F1 in one race.
Silverstone 08' - Masterclass and lapping 2,3 seconds faster than everyone else. Incredible result.
Hockenheim 08' - Due to a botched strategy Lewis found himself in 4th or 5th after leading much of the race. Some great on-track overtakes saw him win the race.
Germany 11' - Arguably his worst season - but this was a great race scrapping with Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso to take the win.
Bahrain 14' - Nico was on the faster tyre but Lewis was just determined to win the race. Great battle.
Suzuka 14' - A sad race for all but I remember the overtake on Nico on the outside of turn 1 was sublime.
Belgium 17' - A race Seb really should have won, but some great defending up the Kemmel straight by Lewis.
He's had plenty more memorable drives that I'm probably forgetting.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:26 pm
by mikeyg123
shay550 wrote:Standout Drives:
Melbourne 07' - Great way for Lewis to announce himself - turn 1 around the outside of Fernando and a well deserved podium in his first race. At the time I thought F1 would be boring with the retirement of Michael but Lewis re-energized my interest for F1 in one race.
Silverstone 08' - Masterclass and lapping 2,3 seconds faster than everyone else. Incredible result.
Hockenheim 08' - Due to a botched strategy Lewis found himself in 4th or 5th after leading much of the race. Some great on-track overtakes saw him win the race.
Germany 11' - Arguably his worst season - but this was a great race scrapping with Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso to take the win.
Bahrain 14' - Nico was on the faster tyre but Lewis was just determined to win the race. Great battle.
Suzuka 14' - A sad race for all but I remember the overtake on Nico on the outside of turn 1 was sublime.
Belgium 17' - A race Seb really should have won, but some great defending up the Kemmel straight by Lewis.
He's had plenty more memorable drives that I'm probably forgetting.
I agree with all of those and would add USA 2012.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:00 pm
by sandman1347
shay550 wrote:Standout Drives:
Melbourne 07' - Great way for Lewis to announce himself - turn 1 around the outside of Fernando and a well deserved podium in his first race. At the time I thought F1 would be boring with the retirement of Michael but Lewis re-energized my interest for F1 in one race.
Silverstone 08' - Masterclass and lapping 2,3 seconds faster than everyone else. Incredible result.
Hockenheim 08' - Due to a botched strategy Lewis found himself in 4th or 5th after leading much of the race. Some great on-track overtakes saw him win the race.
Germany 11' - Arguably his worst season - but this was a great race scrapping with Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso to take the win.
Bahrain 14' - Nico was on the faster tyre but Lewis was just determined to win the race. Great battle.
Suzuka 14' - A sad race for all but I remember the overtake on Nico on the outside of turn 1 was sublime.
Belgium 17' - A race Seb really should have won, but some great defending up the Kemmel straight by Lewis.
He's had plenty more memorable drives that I'm probably forgetting.
Japan 07' Really left Alonso for dead in the wet.
Italy 08' If not for fuel strategy and the timing of the rain this would have been an amazing win
Hungary 09' A great win in a season that looked hopeless at the beginning.
Brazil 09' Charging from the back to the podium in maybe the 4th best car
Canada 10' One of the most exciting races in recent history
China 10' Overtaking masterclass pre-DRS
Germany 18' 14th to 1st and the turning point in the championship
Italy 18' About as good as it gets
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:37 pm
by shay550
If not for Trulli-gate Melbourne 09' was a sublime drive too.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:14 pm
by JN23
Some great drives mentioned above. Does someone fancy ranking all of his 83 wins?
shay550 wrote:If not for Trulli-gate Melbourne 09' was a sublime drive too.
I think Hamilton's 2009 goes a bit under the radar, perhaps unsurprisingly for someone who is a six time champion, but it was a great season in a car that started off hopeless and still wasn't close to being the best in the second half.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:21 pm
by JN23
What about his standout pole positions? A few that immediately spring to mind but I sense I'm missing some obvious one's...
Japan 2007
Korea 2011
Italy 2017
Australia 2018
Singapore 2018
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:56 pm
by FormulaFun
JN23 wrote:What about his standout pole positions? A few that immediately spring to mind but I sense I'm missing some obvious one's...
Japan 2007
Korea 2011
Italy 2017
Australia 2018
Singapore 2018
Canada 2010 and Singapore 2012 I would add
As for races, for me 2008 Silverstone is one of the greatest drives of all time. Also I really enjoyed nurburgring 2011, that was a good race (wouldn't say it's one of his greats though)
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:44 am
by Jezza13
pokerman wrote:
Invade wrote:I expected a very muted response to this thread with not much in the way of opinion nor reflection. Nonetheless, I shall keep us ticking with a few articles found over the WWW.
“I have been asked a lot about young drivers coming up, ‘Do you see Senna in them’, and I always say: ‘No, Senna was different, he wasn’t comparable.’ But now Lewis reminds me very much of Ayrton in how he performs every time. Under difficult circumstances, on street circuits, quick circuits, in rain and dry, in reading the race, in being fit, in the politics. Lewis is, like Ayrton, complete.”
"I'm in awe of his relentless achievements, and I have no doubt he is one of the UK's greatest-ever sportsmen. Furthermore, there can be no realistic debate about 'greatest racing drivers of all time' without including Lewis."
“Lewis, if he had in his contract the same things [as Schumacher], he would have had to been able to pass [Valtteri] Bottas [to win the race].
For me, that is a flaw factor for Michael. Seven World Championships… how many would he have won if he hadn’t had the influence and support of the other people in the team?
Lewis is already in a different league, in my opinion. He’s done it on his own."
"From everything I know from the history of F1, from competing and watching racing, from Juan Manuel Fangio through Jimmy Clark and Graham Hill and Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda, Nelson Piquet, Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Michael Schumacher and all the other guys in between, I think Lewis is the best."
"At the moment, it is still Michael Schumacher who comes out as the best F1 driver.
Hamilton, though, is the better champion. Schumacher's career comes with too many black marks to be considered "greater" than Hamilton or the best of all time. There have been few better representatives of the sport than Hamilton in the last two decades on and off the track."
Provocative stuff, no doubt. There are a lot of strong and decisive opinions in these articles. As far as I'm concerned, Lewis Hamilton is still active and has many trials and tribulations ahead, but appreciate that it's their job to offer an opinion and not wait for a career to be over and settled.
It's interesting to see the comparisons with Schumacher and i agree that in a sporting sense Hamilton is the better champion.
Yeah concur though I will say Schumacher seemed to be the more, I don't the term, maybe cold, maybe driven, maybe focused, of the two.
I can remember that Hamilton would have his off days where he really just didn't seem to have his mind where it should be. He'd be relatively slow & complaining about the car. Maybe this was during a bad period in his personal life but I can't recall Schumacher having a single race like that.
For example, I can't envisage Hamilton being able to do what the Schumacher's did at Imola in 2003. While that's probably an extreme example which probably says more for the Schumachers than anything against Hamilton, I can never recall the likes of Senna, Prost or Schumacher allowing their private lives affect their driving the way it's affected Hamilton's in the past.
Having said that, for mine i'd probably have to now rate Hamilton above Schumacher on the best i've seen ladder. Definitely still behind Senna & slightly behind Prost.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:36 pm
by pokerman
mikeyg123 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
Teddy007 wrote:
Rockie wrote:
F1 indeed is a fickle sport, all you need to do is go back to the end of '12 and '13 and read what this same people said about Vettel also fast forward 5 years and maybe then Max is a 3x champ and watch the he is better than Senna accolades roll out!
Also congrats to Hamilton on his achievements.
I don't think a lot of people predicted that Sebastian would struggle to win a championship when he joined Ferrari. he did one thing though, He really showed Kimi up consistently.
Lewis also had an off season with Mclaren, he made consistent mistakes and so did Mclaren on his behalf. Button was best of the rest next to Seb.
But that season really did educate Lewis on "know when to take the risks". Lewis has lost out to a team mate on the championship. He lost out in 2007. 2011 really hurt his ego. Sometimes losing out actually helps you as a driver. Lewis has made a lot less mistakes since that time. In fact, he questioned Max on his collision with a car not racing him which cost him a victory.
Lewis knows that consistency can sometimes play a big part in winning a title. That's why he has won more.
I think some people like to mis-characterize 2011 now that enough time has elapsed for memories to become cloudy. Lewis lost out to Jenson in much the same way that Max is losing out to Albon right now. At no point did Jenson look faster or to be the better driver. Lewis was just in way too many incidents in the second half of the season (when the title had already been decided). I do agree that having such a sloppy season taught him a lesson about the importance of consistency and avoiding incidents but it's really nothing to do with Jenson.
2011 was the best thing that could have happened to Lewis Hamilton at that point of his career.
Quickly followed by 2012, 2011 was the failings of himself, 2012 the failings of his team which lead him to Mercedes.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:39 pm
by pokerman
shay550 wrote:If not for Trulli-gate Melbourne 09' was a sublime drive too.
Yeah a podium with a back of the grid car, poor decision making on the pit wall.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:02 pm
by pokerman
Jezza13 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Invade wrote:I expected a very muted response to this thread with not much in the way of opinion nor reflection. Nonetheless, I shall keep us ticking with a few articles found over the WWW.
“I have been asked a lot about young drivers coming up, ‘Do you see Senna in them’, and I always say: ‘No, Senna was different, he wasn’t comparable.’ But now Lewis reminds me very much of Ayrton in how he performs every time. Under difficult circumstances, on street circuits, quick circuits, in rain and dry, in reading the race, in being fit, in the politics. Lewis is, like Ayrton, complete.”
"I'm in awe of his relentless achievements, and I have no doubt he is one of the UK's greatest-ever sportsmen. Furthermore, there can be no realistic debate about 'greatest racing drivers of all time' without including Lewis."
“Lewis, if he had in his contract the same things [as Schumacher], he would have had to been able to pass [Valtteri] Bottas [to win the race].
For me, that is a flaw factor for Michael. Seven World Championships… how many would he have won if he hadn’t had the influence and support of the other people in the team?
Lewis is already in a different league, in my opinion. He’s done it on his own."
"From everything I know from the history of F1, from competing and watching racing, from Juan Manuel Fangio through Jimmy Clark and Graham Hill and Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda, Nelson Piquet, Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Michael Schumacher and all the other guys in between, I think Lewis is the best."
"At the moment, it is still Michael Schumacher who comes out as the best F1 driver.
Hamilton, though, is the better champion. Schumacher's career comes with too many black marks to be considered "greater" than Hamilton or the best of all time. There have been few better representatives of the sport than Hamilton in the last two decades on and off the track."
Provocative stuff, no doubt. There are a lot of strong and decisive opinions in these articles. As far as I'm concerned, Lewis Hamilton is still active and has many trials and tribulations ahead, but appreciate that it's their job to offer an opinion and not wait for a career to be over and settled.
It's interesting to see the comparisons with Schumacher and i agree that in a sporting sense Hamilton is the better champion.
Yeah concur though I will say Schumacher seemed to be the more, I don't the term, maybe cold, maybe driven, maybe focused, of the two.
I can remember that Hamilton would have his off days where he really just didn't seem to have his mind where it should be. He'd be relatively slow & complaining about the car. Maybe this was during a bad period in his personal life but I can't recall Schumacher having a single race like that.
For example, I can't envisage Hamilton being able to do what the Schumacher's did at Imola in 2003. While that's probably an extreme example which probably says more for the Schumachers than anything against Hamilton, I can never recall the likes of Senna, Prost or Schumacher allowing their private lives affect their driving the way it's affected Hamilton's in the past.
Having said that, for mine i'd probably have to now rate Hamilton above Schumacher on the best i've seen ladder. Definitely still behind Senna & slightly behind Prost.
Yeah you couldn't get much more focused than Schumacher but it was to the point were he was hardly human and perhaps explains some of the on track decisions that he made, whereas Hamilton tends to wear his heart more on his sleeve and I would say is a more compassionate driver which for some might be seen as a weakness?
All drivers have strengths and weaknesses and for my part I'm not looking to say one driver was better than the other.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:46 pm
by Blake
Nevermind...I misread your post, poker
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:46 pm
by Covalent
Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton for winning the 2019 World Driving Championship.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:01 am
by Siao7
Monumental achievement. Congratulations are in order of course, we are indeed watching history being made in front of us and this driver is a head (maybe shoulders too!) above all his peers.
The biggest tribute that I can personally give to Lewis is that he truly is in the all time, top 5 elite. This is not something that I would easily say for someone who is still racing, someone who hasn't finished his career. And of course the 6th title was not needed to confirm this, but it served as a good opportunity to state this.
So well done Lewis and keep up the good work!
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:18 pm
by Invade
Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton for winning the 2019 World Driving Championship.
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:47 am
by FormulaFun
I feel bad more than anything for the people can't even appreciate the quality he produces on track because they are too salty about him winning. It's like those people that hate Messi because they love Ronaldo.
But yeah it happened with schumi too really, they are judged to another standard because they are on another standard, so it's a compliment to Ham really
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:46 pm
by Aspar
Grats champion!
Keep on going!!!
Re: Lewis Hamilton 6xWDC - Congratulations are in order
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:13 pm
by Mod Aqua
The discussion regarding Hamilton never being voted DOTD in 2019 (so far) is off topic to this thread and I have moved it to a new thread dedicated to that discussion. Please post any discussions on the matter there:
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