TheGiantHogweed wrote: kleefton wrote:
Typical Kvyat, he so deserves the torpedo moniker. It seems ever since Albon got promoted over him, his performances have been shockingly bad
and it looks like he is trying way too hard and looks clumsy in the process. The move on Hulk at Mexico was so bad. That's just somebody sticking his nose when he knows fully well the move was not on at all.
I think you are being incredibly harsh on kvyat. That move in Mexico was a tiny bit of a nudge. I can't deny that it was wrong in the end, but Verstappen has done these moves before and simply relied on the driver ahead giving more space which usually happens.
You can hardly say all his performances have been shockingly bad since Albon got promoted either... You seem to be basing this on two light contacts right at the end of the race when his actual performance wasn't that bad - actually they were quite good. I also think that Gasly is well suited to his car and Kvyat hasn't exactly gone backwards. Gasly just did not work out at Red Bull.
Did you watch the first race after this switch happened? Kvyat driving up in 6th position for a good deal of the race and finished in 7th 20 seconds ahead of Gasly.
Italy, Kvyat comfortably ahead of Gasly until he had to retire.
I expect you to have a different view on the move on kimi in Singapore, but the stewards did note that he will have made that corner and they also noted that Kimi should have been more aware. He was harvesting energy so he should have expected that this will have given an opportunity to kvyat because of the massive speed difference. Gasly had a great race here. Kvyat was not great, but wasn't poor either.
He beats Gasly in Russia and the car didn't look good there at all anyway.
Japan he was comfortably beaten by Gasly by 10 seconds. But I honestly think Gasly is a different driver now. I was so critical towards him when he was at Red Bull, but he seems pretty good here.
I don't really know what you mean by shocking performance. His race in Mexico overall was not bad. It was simply one bad move which i can understand you can call poor. But poor performance that race? - Overall i just can't agree with that.
Even the most recent race, he did in the end out race his team mate. Overtook him right near the end and was very quick at this stage. He unfortunately had a really slow pit stop earlier on which won't have helped. His performance again was pretty good. And I will admit, he did ruin it a bit at the end. But i think you are being way too critical towards him.
He simply hasn't been that bad this season. I feel the same way about Grosjean. I think some people just base drivers seasons too heavily on their past and miss out the good things they have done this season. He's had a podium while the other 2 team mates of his have both had a chance at Red Bull and have not yet done so.
His season has not been excellent and he has had a few avoidable incidents (but so has Verstappen?), but nowhere near as bad as you seem to be making it look.
To me I see a driver who has made bad decisions and affectted three different drivers races since the summer break. You can bring up Verstappen or anybody else that drives agressively, but you can't fault them when they get away with it more often than not while Kvyat's attempts usually end up in tears. The move on Kimi was not on at all. He came from way too far behind. The one on Hulk was the worst one because there was no chance Hulk is going to see him and get out of the way at that particular corner. The Perez one was not as bad, but he lacked finesse and didn't leave enough space. Like I said, it all looks clumsy and like he is trying too hard to prove a point. In this sport you can drive agressively if you get away with it cleanly like the Verstappens or even Ricciardos often do, but when there is contact and races ruined because of the agressiveness that's when it needs to stop.
His overall performance besides those incidents have not been good. He has been outqualified by a guy who moved to the team midseason, a guy that was getting lapped by his teammate. You mention Kvyat overtaking Gasly at COTA and seem to praise him for that but that was solely due to the tire strategy as Gasly was on a one stop and an absolute moving chicane towards the end and Kvyat was on a two stopper with much fresher soft tires. The two stopper was the faster strategy in Austin. But I personally don't put much value in race finishes with midfielders anyway because often the better they qualify the worst their chance is at finishing in front, and with traffic and first lap incidents I find it very difficult to judge accurately who has had the better Sunday between midfielders. Tire strategy and sheer luck plays too big a role imo, just like Gasly and Kvyat proved in Austin. But looking at the qualifying, Gasly has the upper hand so far. Their race pace seems to be pretty similar from what I could gather, Gasly's race craft has been better as well. So therefore since I value qualifying more, I think Gasly has outperformed him.
In my opinion Kvyat is affected by being slighted again by RBR, just like he did when RBR chose Verstappen over him. I think he was pretty good in the first half of the season. I actually like Kvyat, I was pretty upset when Redbull chose Albon over him as I thought he should get another shot at the big team, but since then Albon has easily shown more race craft than Kvyat could ever dream of so ultimately I feel that RBR has picked the right guy. And yes, I maintain that Kvyat is having a shockingly bad second half.