Re: 2019 Mexican Grand Prix Race Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:06 pm
agreedJN23 wrote:10 second penalty for Kvyat. That was quick, only if they could do that the rest of the time.
agreedJN23 wrote:10 second penalty for Kvyat. That was quick, only if they could do that the rest of the time.
Definitely. He took a risk and it just didn't quite come off. I think he had to take risks. Finishing 4th does nothing for him or Red Bull at this stage. Worth rolling the dice and trying to actually win.Invade wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:His out braking attempt was yes. Whether you blame him for the contact or not is really a matter of opinion.Invade wrote:Wasn't it Max's divebomb on Bottas which led to the puncture? Which is why I said him being a non-factor in the race was his own doing. Can anyone confirm?
Well he committed to the move and upped the chances of contact happening. It's just one of those things - there is a risk there, and perhaps most of the time he would have been fine. I'd say he was unlucky but he does up the chances considerably of such incidents occurring.
Far enough I didn't mean he was unfair I more meant that he was generally too aggressive in turn 2 and generally in the opening laps and thats what cost him, so it was his own doingmikeyg123 wrote:Agreed but why does he have to stick to the racing line? He didn't push Hamilton off. He actively left him room.FormulaFun wrote:
He opened his steering after the apex which isn't the racing line but whatever cba to debate that, he just would have been far better served being more methodical
He opened his steering after the apex which isn't the racing line but whatever cba to debate that, he just would have been far better served being more methodical[/quote]FormulaFun wrote:Turn 1 was fine. He left plenty of room for Hamilton. No attempt to try and drive him off the track at all.mikeyg123 wrote:Well he tried to drive Hamilton off the track going into turn two which ended up with him dropping back, then he dive bombed.bottas and barged him out the way in the arena for no reason (because obviously bottas would repass down the straight with drs) and get a punctureFormulaFun wrote:[ quote="tootsie323"]
Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.
mikeyg123 wrote:Definitely. He took a risk and it just didn't quite come off. I think he had to take risks. Finishing 4th does nothing for him or Red Bull at this stage. Worth rolling the dice and trying to actually win.Invade wrote:mikeyg123 wrote:His out braking attempt was yes. Whether you blame him for the contact or not is really a matter of opinion.Invade wrote:Wasn't it Max's divebomb on Bottas which led to the puncture? Which is why I said him being a non-factor in the race was his own doing. Can anyone confirm?
Well he committed to the move and upped the chances of contact happening. It's just one of those things - there is a risk there, and perhaps most of the time he would have been fine. I'd say he was unlucky but he does up the chances considerably of such incidents occurring.
We know it was.cmberry20 wrote:Kinda makes you think that the additional pitstop in Japan was unnecessary.
Yes it was his fault actually. He got the puncture during that overtake of Bottas (a kamikaze move).tootsie323 wrote:Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.Greenman wrote:.
IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).
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Other drivers made the hard tyres last even longer. Just because LH was incorrectly moaning in the cockpit shortly after he pitted, it doesn't make him managed to get the tyres to last be that impressive. Didn't Pirelli say that they could last 50 laps and LH did a 48 lap stint on them?sandman1347 wrote:For me, Vettel is the guy that started the issues on lap 1. Again his spacial awareness must come into question. Basically ran Hamilton off the road there and that's what caused things to get so close between Hamilton and Verstappen.
Max will be frustrated by this race. This is his track IMO. He's particularly strong here and he had the pace both on Saturday and Sunday to win but he just got it wrong this weekend. We don't have to discuss qualifying further but he shot himself in the foot there. In the race, I don't blame Max for anything that happened on lap 1. he did his best to navigate that situation. I felt that his pass on Bottas was a little silly though. just shoved Valteri aside in a place where Bottas was always going to easily get him back due to DRS on the straight. He was way too impatient there and it cost him any chance at the win. He would have been in the mix up front without that puncture.
For Hamilton, this was an impressive win. He made those tires last a very long time and just executed to perfection. i think the team should also be thanked here for being bold and decisive and getting it right with the strategy. Most likely Lewis is one race away from wrapping up the title now.
Sebastian looked to be the fastest man left up front after Max got his puncture. Ferrari's strategy wasn't foolish. They got Seb into a good position with much fresher tires but it just wasn't enough. Good race from Sebastian overall though and he out-performed Leclerc IMO.
Honorable mention to Daniel for making that first stint lat 50 laps! Very impressive but I would have liked to see him get Perez before the end.
Others who finished in P6 and P8. Hamilton won the race while holding off drivers in Ferraris and Mercedes with much fresher tires of the same compound. Jeez the negativity in here is palpable sometimes.F1 Racer wrote:Other drivers made the hard tyres last even longer. Just because LH was incorrectly moaning in the cockpit shortly after he pitted, it doesn't make him managed to get the tyres to last be that impressive. Didn't Pirelli say that they could last 50 laps and LH did a 48 lap stint on them?sandman1347 wrote:For me, Vettel is the guy that started the issues on lap 1. Again his spacial awareness must come into question. Basically ran Hamilton off the road there and that's what caused things to get so close between Hamilton and Verstappen.
Max will be frustrated by this race. This is his track IMO. He's particularly strong here and he had the pace both on Saturday and Sunday to win but he just got it wrong this weekend. We don't have to discuss qualifying further but he shot himself in the foot there. In the race, I don't blame Max for anything that happened on lap 1. he did his best to navigate that situation. I felt that his pass on Bottas was a little silly though. just shoved Valteri aside in a place where Bottas was always going to easily get him back due to DRS on the straight. He was way too impatient there and it cost him any chance at the win. He would have been in the mix up front without that puncture.
For Hamilton, this was an impressive win. He made those tires last a very long time and just executed to perfection. i think the team should also be thanked here for being bold and decisive and getting it right with the strategy. Most likely Lewis is one race away from wrapping up the title now.
Sebastian looked to be the fastest man left up front after Max got his puncture. Ferrari's strategy wasn't foolish. They got Seb into a good position with much fresher tires but it just wasn't enough. Good race from Sebastian overall though and he out-performed Leclerc IMO.
Honorable mention to Daniel for making that first stint lat 50 laps! Very impressive but I would have liked to see him get Perez before the end.
That's not to say that it wasn't a good win, but not for the reason that you stated.
His tyres were always going to last, he did nothing special here in this regard.sandman1347 wrote:Others who finished in P6 and P8. Hamilton won the race while holding off drivers in Ferraris and Mercedes with much fresher tires of the same compound. Jeez the negativity in here is palpable sometimes.F1 Racer wrote:Other drivers made the hard tyres last even longer. Just because LH was incorrectly moaning in the cockpit shortly after he pitted, it doesn't make him managed to get the tyres to last be that impressive. Didn't Pirelli say that they could last 50 laps and LH did a 48 lap stint on them?sandman1347 wrote:For me, Vettel is the guy that started the issues on lap 1. Again his spacial awareness must come into question. Basically ran Hamilton off the road there and that's what caused things to get so close between Hamilton and Verstappen.
Max will be frustrated by this race. This is his track IMO. He's particularly strong here and he had the pace both on Saturday and Sunday to win but he just got it wrong this weekend. We don't have to discuss qualifying further but he shot himself in the foot there. In the race, I don't blame Max for anything that happened on lap 1. he did his best to navigate that situation. I felt that his pass on Bottas was a little silly though. just shoved Valteri aside in a place where Bottas was always going to easily get him back due to DRS on the straight. He was way too impatient there and it cost him any chance at the win. He would have been in the mix up front without that puncture.
For Hamilton, this was an impressive win. He made those tires last a very long time and just executed to perfection. i think the team should also be thanked here for being bold and decisive and getting it right with the strategy. Most likely Lewis is one race away from wrapping up the title now.
Sebastian looked to be the fastest man left up front after Max got his puncture. Ferrari's strategy wasn't foolish. They got Seb into a good position with much fresher tires but it just wasn't enough. Good race from Sebastian overall though and he out-performed Leclerc IMO.
Honorable mention to Daniel for making that first stint lat 50 laps! Very impressive but I would have liked to see him get Perez before the end.
That's not to say that it wasn't a good win, but not for the reason that you stated.
Not sure, when Hamilton was in the lead, he will have had a far easier job at managing them than Verstappen o ricciardo who were often in dirty air during the stint. I agree that given what we saw frm ricciardo and verstappen, it was solid but not exactly incredible.TedStriker wrote:It's easy to do 60 laps on a tyre. Not easy to do it and win the race.Rockie wrote:How?TedStriker wrote:A masterclass in tyre management
Ricciardo did 50 laps
Verstappen almost 60 laps
The hard tyre had no real degradation.
I strongly disagree this was a kamikaze move. In my opinion at that speed kamikaze moves don't really exist. I just watched the replay and Bottas definitely knew he was there. I am somewhat puzzled about why they even made contact. I think Bottas expected him to be on a less wide trajectory.sandman1347 wrote:Yes it was his fault actually. He got the puncture during that overtake of Bottas (a kamikaze move).tootsie323 wrote:Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.Greenman wrote:.
IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).
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Max pitted on lap 8 came out dead last and finished a minute behind, there was no skill to managing the hard tyres today, it just didn't degrade at all.sandman1347 wrote:Others who finished in P6 and P8. Hamilton won the race while holding off drivers in Ferraris and Mercedes with much fresher tires of the same compound. Jeez the negativity in here is palpable sometimes.F1 Racer wrote:Other drivers made the hard tyres last even longer. Just because LH was incorrectly moaning in the cockpit shortly after he pitted, it doesn't make him managed to get the tyres to last be that impressive. Didn't Pirelli say that they could last 50 laps and LH did a 48 lap stint on them?sandman1347 wrote:For me, Vettel is the guy that started the issues on lap 1. Again his spacial awareness must come into question. Basically ran Hamilton off the road there and that's what caused things to get so close between Hamilton and Verstappen.
Max will be frustrated by this race. This is his track IMO. He's particularly strong here and he had the pace both on Saturday and Sunday to win but he just got it wrong this weekend. We don't have to discuss qualifying further but he shot himself in the foot there. In the race, I don't blame Max for anything that happened on lap 1. he did his best to navigate that situation. I felt that his pass on Bottas was a little silly though. just shoved Valteri aside in a place where Bottas was always going to easily get him back due to DRS on the straight. He was way too impatient there and it cost him any chance at the win. He would have been in the mix up front without that puncture.
For Hamilton, this was an impressive win. He made those tires last a very long time and just executed to perfection. i think the team should also be thanked here for being bold and decisive and getting it right with the strategy. Most likely Lewis is one race away from wrapping up the title now.
Sebastian looked to be the fastest man left up front after Max got his puncture. Ferrari's strategy wasn't foolish. They got Seb into a good position with much fresher tires but it just wasn't enough. Good race from Sebastian overall though and he out-performed Leclerc IMO.
Honorable mention to Daniel for making that first stint lat 50 laps! Very impressive but I would have liked to see him get Perez before the end.
That's not to say that it wasn't a good win, but not for the reason that you stated.
Again, it's not just about lasting. It's about maintaining your position on track despite having a massive tire disadvantage. His tires were 13 laps older than Vettel and Bottas. The idea that the hard tire was "always going to last" is based on the performance of three drivers (arguably the three best in the world) who made them last. Perhaps you missed the fact that Leclerc's dropped off before even reaching the end of the race despite the fact that they had done fewer laps than anyone else up front. Maybe you missed the fact that Sainz had to get off his after only 12-13 laps because they felt so terrible.F1 Racer wrote:His tyres were always going to last, he did nothing special here in this regard.sandman1347 wrote:Others who finished in P6 and P8. Hamilton won the race while holding off drivers in Ferraris and Mercedes with much fresher tires of the same compound. Jeez the negativity in here is palpable sometimes.F1 Racer wrote:Other drivers made the hard tyres last even longer. Just because LH was incorrectly moaning in the cockpit shortly after he pitted, it doesn't make him managed to get the tyres to last be that impressive. Didn't Pirelli say that they could last 50 laps and LH did a 48 lap stint on them?sandman1347 wrote:For me, Vettel is the guy that started the issues on lap 1. Again his spacial awareness must come into question. Basically ran Hamilton off the road there and that's what caused things to get so close between Hamilton and Verstappen.
Max will be frustrated by this race. This is his track IMO. He's particularly strong here and he had the pace both on Saturday and Sunday to win but he just got it wrong this weekend. We don't have to discuss qualifying further but he shot himself in the foot there. In the race, I don't blame Max for anything that happened on lap 1. he did his best to navigate that situation. I felt that his pass on Bottas was a little silly though. just shoved Valteri aside in a place where Bottas was always going to easily get him back due to DRS on the straight. He was way too impatient there and it cost him any chance at the win. He would have been in the mix up front without that puncture.
For Hamilton, this was an impressive win. He made those tires last a very long time and just executed to perfection. i think the team should also be thanked here for being bold and decisive and getting it right with the strategy. Most likely Lewis is one race away from wrapping up the title now.
Sebastian looked to be the fastest man left up front after Max got his puncture. Ferrari's strategy wasn't foolish. They got Seb into a good position with much fresher tires but it just wasn't enough. Good race from Sebastian overall though and he out-performed Leclerc IMO.
Honorable mention to Daniel for making that first stint lat 50 laps! Very impressive but I would have liked to see him get Perez before the end.
That's not to say that it wasn't a good win, but not for the reason that you stated.
Plus Max had to race and pass lots of cars and flat-spotted his tyres at one point and they still lasted.Rockie wrote:Max pitted on lap 8 came out dead last and finished a minute behind, there was no skill to managing the hard tyres today, it just didn't degrade at all.sandman1347 wrote: Others who finished in P6 and P8. Hamilton won the race while holding off drivers in Ferraris and Mercedes with much fresher tires of the same compound. Jeez the negativity in here is palpable sometimes.
You've changed your tune...Rockie wrote:Max pitted on lap 8 came out dead last and finished a minute behind, there was no skill to managing the hard tyres today, it just didn't degrade at all.sandman1347 wrote:Others who finished in P6 and P8. Hamilton won the race while holding off drivers in Ferraris and Mercedes with much fresher tires of the same compound. Jeez the negativity in here is palpable sometimes.F1 Racer wrote:Other drivers made the hard tyres last even longer. Just because LH was incorrectly moaning in the cockpit shortly after he pitted, it doesn't make him managed to get the tyres to last be that impressive. Didn't Pirelli say that they could last 50 laps and LH did a 48 lap stint on them?sandman1347 wrote:For me, Vettel is the guy that started the issues on lap 1. Again his spacial awareness must come into question. Basically ran Hamilton off the road there and that's what caused things to get so close between Hamilton and Verstappen.
Max will be frustrated by this race. This is his track IMO. He's particularly strong here and he had the pace both on Saturday and Sunday to win but he just got it wrong this weekend. We don't have to discuss qualifying further but he shot himself in the foot there. In the race, I don't blame Max for anything that happened on lap 1. he did his best to navigate that situation. I felt that his pass on Bottas was a little silly though. just shoved Valteri aside in a place where Bottas was always going to easily get him back due to DRS on the straight. He was way too impatient there and it cost him any chance at the win. He would have been in the mix up front without that puncture.
For Hamilton, this was an impressive win. He made those tires last a very long time and just executed to perfection. i think the team should also be thanked here for being bold and decisive and getting it right with the strategy. Most likely Lewis is one race away from wrapping up the title now.
Sebastian looked to be the fastest man left up front after Max got his puncture. Ferrari's strategy wasn't foolish. They got Seb into a good position with much fresher tires but it just wasn't enough. Good race from Sebastian overall though and he out-performed Leclerc IMO.
Honorable mention to Daniel for making that first stint lat 50 laps! Very impressive but I would have liked to see him get Perez before the end.
That's not to say that it wasn't a good win, but not for the reason that you stated.
13 laps older is nothing when it is the hard tyres and your own tyres are guaranteed to not go off the cliff. With each passing lap the relative tyre life difference between the sets of tyres shortens.sandman1347 wrote:Again, it's not just about lasting. It's about maintaining your position on track despite having a massive tire disadvantage. His tires were 13 laps older than Vettel and Bottas. The idea that the hard tire was "always going to last" is based on the performance of three drivers (arguably the three best in the world) who made them last. Perhaps you missed the fact that Leclerc's dropped off before even reaching the end of the race despite the fact that they had done fewer laps than anyone else up front. Maybe you missed the fact that Sainz had to get off his after only 12-13 laps because they felt so terrible.F1 Racer wrote:His tyres were always going to last, he did nothing special here in this regard.sandman1347 wrote:Others who finished in P6 and P8. Hamilton won the race while holding off drivers in Ferraris and Mercedes with much fresher tires of the same compound. Jeez the negativity in here is palpable sometimes.F1 Racer wrote:Other drivers made the hard tyres last even longer. Just because LH was incorrectly moaning in the cockpit shortly after he pitted, it doesn't make him managed to get the tyres to last be that impressive. Didn't Pirelli say that they could last 50 laps and LH did a 48 lap stint on them?sandman1347 wrote:For me, Vettel is the guy that started the issues on lap 1. Again his spacial awareness must come into question. Basically ran Hamilton off the road there and that's what caused things to get so close between Hamilton and Verstappen.
Max will be frustrated by this race. This is his track IMO. He's particularly strong here and he had the pace both on Saturday and Sunday to win but he just got it wrong this weekend. We don't have to discuss qualifying further but he shot himself in the foot there. In the race, I don't blame Max for anything that happened on lap 1. he did his best to navigate that situation. I felt that his pass on Bottas was a little silly though. just shoved Valteri aside in a place where Bottas was always going to easily get him back due to DRS on the straight. He was way too impatient there and it cost him any chance at the win. He would have been in the mix up front without that puncture.
For Hamilton, this was an impressive win. He made those tires last a very long time and just executed to perfection. i think the team should also be thanked here for being bold and decisive and getting it right with the strategy. Most likely Lewis is one race away from wrapping up the title now.
Sebastian looked to be the fastest man left up front after Max got his puncture. Ferrari's strategy wasn't foolish. They got Seb into a good position with much fresher tires but it just wasn't enough. Good race from Sebastian overall though and he out-performed Leclerc IMO.
Honorable mention to Daniel for making that first stint lat 50 laps! Very impressive but I would have liked to see him get Perez before the end.
That's not to say that it wasn't a good win, but not for the reason that you stated.
Your every post is some negative moan about how the race wasn't exciting enough and how nothing special happened. It's freaking depressing man.
He made a move in a part of the track where no one would expect it and there was contact. There isn't much room there and I find it absurd to blame Valteri. Max dived up the inside and ran all the way out to the edge of the track.StanB123 wrote:I strongly disagree this was a kamikaze move. In my opinion at that speed kamikaze moves don't really exist. I just watched the replay and Bottas definitely knew he was there. I am somewhat puzzled about why they even made contact. I think Bottas expected him to be on a less wide trajectory.sandman1347 wrote:Yes it was his fault actually. He got the puncture during that overtake of Bottas (a kamikaze move).tootsie323 wrote:Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.Greenman wrote:.
IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).
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The move itself was awesome.
However, Verstappen shouldn't have put himself into this position. It would have been much better just to wait for a bit.
Asphalt_World wrote:My god that was an anti-climax. Top 4 within 10 seconds but nothing happened.
And even that didn't excite me too muchInvade wrote:Asphalt_World wrote:My god that was an anti-climax. Top 4 within 10 seconds but nothing happened.
Ye it was all foreplay today.
If it was so simple why didn't Ferrari put a set on Leclerc's car? Have to say if I was Leclerc I would be checking phone numbers in the 'M' section of the phone directory. Close out the front row, 2 stop the leader with a botched pit stop, drive Hamilton of the track and yet he still finishes on top of the podium.Rockie wrote:Max pitted on lap 8 came out dead last and finished a minute behind, there was no skill to managing the hard tyres today, it just didn't degrade at all.sandman1347 wrote:Others who finished in P6 and P8. Hamilton won the race while holding off drivers in Ferraris and Mercedes with much fresher tires of the same compound. Jeez the negativity in here is palpable sometimes.F1 Racer wrote:Other drivers made the hard tyres last even longer. Just because LH was incorrectly moaning in the cockpit shortly after he pitted, it doesn't make him managed to get the tyres to last be that impressive. Didn't Pirelli say that they could last 50 laps and LH did a 48 lap stint on them?sandman1347 wrote:For me, Vettel is the guy that started the issues on lap 1. Again his spacial awareness must come into question. Basically ran Hamilton off the road there and that's what caused things to get so close between Hamilton and Verstappen.
Max will be frustrated by this race. This is his track IMO. He's particularly strong here and he had the pace both on Saturday and Sunday to win but he just got it wrong this weekend. We don't have to discuss qualifying further but he shot himself in the foot there. In the race, I don't blame Max for anything that happened on lap 1. he did his best to navigate that situation. I felt that his pass on Bottas was a little silly though. just shoved Valteri aside in a place where Bottas was always going to easily get him back due to DRS on the straight. He was way too impatient there and it cost him any chance at the win. He would have been in the mix up front without that puncture.
For Hamilton, this was an impressive win. He made those tires last a very long time and just executed to perfection. i think the team should also be thanked here for being bold and decisive and getting it right with the strategy. Most likely Lewis is one race away from wrapping up the title now.
Sebastian looked to be the fastest man left up front after Max got his puncture. Ferrari's strategy wasn't foolish. They got Seb into a good position with much fresher tires but it just wasn't enough. Good race from Sebastian overall though and he out-performed Leclerc IMO.
Honorable mention to Daniel for making that first stint lat 50 laps! Very impressive but I would have liked to see him get Perez before the end.
That's not to say that it wasn't a good win, but not for the reason that you stated.
As is most of the time when these types of ''wow, different strategies are being used and the more aggressive strategy that requires on-track passes will hopefully prevail!'' races occur.Invade wrote:Asphalt_World wrote:My god that was an anti-climax. Top 4 within 10 seconds but nothing happened.
Ye it was all foreplay today.
What tune would that be?mikeyg123 wrote:You've changed your tune...Rockie wrote:
Max pitted on lap 8 came out dead last and finished a minute behind, there was no skill to managing the hard tyres today, it just didn't degrade at all.
Ferrari also cocked up thinking that they needed to protect themselves against Albon's undercut when you don't need to protect anything against a driver that slow. They pitted Leclerc way too early as a result.Option or Prime wrote:If it was so simple why didn't Ferrari put a set on Leclerc's car? Have to say if I was Leclerc I would be checking phone numbers in the 'M' section of the phone directory. Close out the front row, 2 stop the leader with a botched pit stop, drive Hamilton of the track and yet he still finishes on top of the podium.Rockie wrote:Max pitted on lap 8 came out dead last and finished a minute behind, there was no skill to managing the hard tyres today, it just didn't degrade at all.sandman1347 wrote:
Others who finished in P6 and P8. Hamilton won the race while holding off drivers in Ferraris and Mercedes with much fresher tires of the same compound. Jeez the negativity in here is palpable sometimes.
Leclerc must be seeing underneath his diplomatic facade.
Man, you must be the world's foremost armchair expert...F1 Racer wrote:Ferrari also cocked up thinking that they needed to protect themselves against Albon's undercut when you don't need to protect anything against a driver that slow. They pitted Leclerc way too early as a result.Option or Prime wrote:If it was so simple why didn't Ferrari put a set on Leclerc's car? Have to say if I was Leclerc I would be checking phone numbers in the 'M' section of the phone directory. Close out the front row, 2 stop the leader with a botched pit stop, drive Hamilton of the track and yet he still finishes on top of the podium.Rockie wrote:Max pitted on lap 8 came out dead last and finished a minute behind, there was no skill to managing the hard tyres today, it just didn't degrade at all.sandman1347 wrote:
Others who finished in P6 and P8. Hamilton won the race while holding off drivers in Ferraris and Mercedes with much fresher tires of the same compound. Jeez the negativity in here is palpable sometimes.
Leclerc must be seeing underneath his diplomatic facade.
They protected against the Albon undercut but not the Hamilton one! Silly decisions were made.
But is the reason "no one makes a move there" enough of a reason for another driver to make (non delibera) contact with someone who manages to find his way through anyway? To me it looked like Bottas had enough room to go to.sandman1347 wrote:He made a move in a part of the track where no one would expect it and there was contact. There isn't much room there and I find it absurd to blame Valteri. Max dived up the inside and ran all the way out to the edge of the track.StanB123 wrote:I strongly disagree this was a kamikaze move. In my opinion at that speed kamikaze moves don't really exist. I just watched the replay and Bottas definitely knew he was there. I am somewhat puzzled about why they even made contact. I think Bottas expected him to be on a less wide trajectory.sandman1347 wrote:Yes it was his fault actually. He got the puncture during that overtake of Bottas (a kamikaze move).tootsie323 wrote:Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.Greenman wrote:.
IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).
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The move itself was awesome.
However, Verstappen shouldn't have put himself into this position. It would have been much better just to wait for a bit.
BTW, the reason no one makes a move there is that the guy you pass will just easily sail back by you on the straight with DRS immediately after. It was always going to be a wasted effort. Max displayed no patience whatsoever and drove like a bull in a china shop. I like Max but the puncture was down to him being overly aggressive.