2019 Mexican Grand Prix Race Thread

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 pm

HAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA Verstappen getting driver of the day

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 pm

FormulaFun wrote:HAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA Verstappen getting driver of the day

Ho hum.

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:47 pm

two laps to go and I can't see Seb pulling it off.

Greenman · Post by **Greenman** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:48 pm

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IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).

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Schumacher forever#1 · Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:48 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:This will be a great win for Hamilton. I think the Mercedes was the 3rd best car today.

How do you think that? Bottas is even quicker than the Ferrari's. And Red Bull have been a no-show.

tootsie323 · Post by **tootsie323** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:49 pm

Greenman wrote:.

IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).

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Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.

TedStriker · Post by **TedStriker** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:49 pm

A masterclass in tyre management

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:50 pm

kleefton wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:Vettel hasn't made any impression on Hamilton yet, you would at least think he would get in the DRS zone earlier. These tyres are so wierd here.
The hard tire has almost no degradation. Verstappen still lapping within a second of the race leaders on 60 laps old tires. Hamilton should hang on easily.

One of the problems I have with F1 is the tyres. For Vettel to not put any pressure on Hamilton with such a big tyre delta is a joke. Did he even get in the DRS zone?

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:50 pm

Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:This will be a great win for Hamilton. I think the Mercedes was the 3rd best car today.
How do you think that? Bottas is even quicker than the Ferrari's. And Red Bull have been a no-show.

I think Red Bull has been the car to have this weekend. Just a gut feeling but if I could pit any car to compete this race in Merc would be my third choice. I could be wrong.

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:50 pm

TedStriker wrote:A masterclass in tyre management

Number 83.

tootsie323 · Post by **tootsie323** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:50 pm

Not the best day for Ferrari... again.

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:51 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:This will be a great win for Hamilton. I think the Mercedes was the 3rd best car today.
How do you think that? Bottas is even quicker than the Ferrari's. And Red Bull have been a no-show.
I think Red Bull has been the car to have this weekend. Just a gut feeling but if I could pit any car to compete this race in Merc would be my third choice. I could be wrong.

Red Bull were probably best. Do you not think though that Merc had the race pace edge on Ferrari? Or close to equal.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:52 pm

F1_Ernie wrote:
kleefton wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:Vettel hasn't made any impression on Hamilton yet, you would at least think he would get in the DRS zone earlier. These tyres are so wierd here.
The hard tire has almost no degradation. Verstappen still lapping within a second of the race leaders on 60 laps old tires. Hamilton should hang on easily.
One of the problems I have with F1 is the tyres. For Vettel to not put any pressure on Hamilton with such a big tyre delta is a joke. Did he even get in the DRS zone?

I don't think that's a problem. The issue is cars not being able to get close to one another.

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:52 pm

F1_Ernie wrote:
kleefton wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:Vettel hasn't made any impression on Hamilton yet, you would at least think he would get in the DRS zone earlier. These tyres are so wierd here.
The hard tire has almost no degradation. Verstappen still lapping within a second of the race leaders on 60 laps old tires. Hamilton should hang on easily.
One of the problems I have with F1 is the tyres. For Vettel to not put any pressure on Hamilton with such a big tyre delta is a joke. Did he even get in the DRS zone?

Don't think he ever got closer than 1.5 seconds.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:53 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
kleefton wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:Vettel hasn't made any impression on Hamilton yet, you would at least think he would get in the DRS zone earlier. These tyres are so wierd here.
The hard tire has almost no degradation. Verstappen still lapping within a second of the race leaders on 60 laps old tires. Hamilton should hang on easily.
One of the problems I have with F1 is the tyres. For Vettel to not put any pressure on Hamilton with such a big tyre delta is a joke. Did he even get in the DRS zone?
I don't think that's a problem. The issue is cars not being able to get close to one another.

I've always had a problem with the tyres, nearly every race is a 1 stopper. Today was a 1 stopper aswell when all I read was everyone thinking it would be a 2 stopper at least.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:54 pm

TedStriker wrote:A masterclass in tyre management

How?

Ricciardo did 50 laps

Verstappen almost 60 laps

The hard tyre had no real degradation.

froze · Post by **froze** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:54 pm

Ferrari had the pace but somehow they manage to throw away the win again. How, is possible?

sidders · Post by **sidders** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:55 pm

Looks like Lewis had some floor damage too

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:55 pm

Large chunk out of Hamilton's floor from the first lap collision with Verstappen.

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:55 pm

froze wrote:Ferrari had the pace but somehow they manage to throw away the win again. How, is possible?

They tried the Mercedes strategy of "leave you out for ages on old tyres"

TedStriker · Post by **TedStriker** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:55 pm

Rockie wrote:
TedStriker wrote:A masterclass in tyre management
How?

Ricciardo did 50 laps

Verstappen almost 60 laps

The hard tyre had no real degradation.

It's easy to do 60 laps on a tyre. Not easy to do it and win the race.

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:55 pm

Rockie wrote:
TedStriker wrote:A masterclass in tyre management
How?

Ricciardo did 50 laps

Verstappen almost 60 laps

The hard tyre had no real degradation.

Yes it caught me off guard and led me to overestimate Vettel's ability to make an impact. It was like the cars had a forcefield around them. The hard tyre was just too durable.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:56 pm

Ffs Verstappens tyres was 65 laps old, that is a joke.

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:57 pm

tootsie323 wrote:
Greenman wrote:.

IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).

.
Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.

Well he tried to drive Hamilton off the track going into turn two which ended up with him dropping back, then he dive bombed.bottas and barged him out the way in the arena for no reason (because obviously bottas would repass down the straight with drs) and get a puncture

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:57 pm

I guess Mercedes finally got the importance of the undercut and track position, nice to see a plan go well.

Interesting to see that Hamilton's floor got damaged with the contact with Verstappen.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:57 pm

F1_Ernie wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
kleefton wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:Vettel hasn't made any impression on Hamilton yet, you would at least think he would get in the DRS zone earlier. These tyres are so wierd here.
The hard tire has almost no degradation. Verstappen still lapping within a second of the race leaders on 60 laps old tires. Hamilton should hang on easily.
One of the problems I have with F1 is the tyres. For Vettel to not put any pressure on Hamilton with such a big tyre delta is a joke. Did he even get in the DRS zone?
I don't think that's a problem. The issue is cars not being able to get close to one another.
I've always had a problem with the tyres, nearly every race is a 1 stopper. Today was a 1 stopper aswell when all I read was everyone thinking it would be a 2 stopper at least.

Today was about right IMO. One and Two stopper about even. Both viable. If the cars could get close we would have had a good race.

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:58 pm

That was a superb drive from Hamilton.

Think Kvyat might take some pain for that move on Hulk at the end.

Also exhibit 268 why the public vote for driver of the day needs binning.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:59 pm

FormulaFun wrote:
tootsie323 wrote:
Greenman wrote:.

IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).

.
Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.
Well he tried to drive Hamilton off the track going into turn two which ended up with him dropping back, then he dive bombed.bottas and barged him out the way in the arena for no reason (because obviously bottas would repass down the straight with drs) and get a puncture

Turn 1 was fine. He left plenty of room for Hamilton. No attempt to try and drive him off the track at all.

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:59 pm

Don't think I've ever seen the hard tyres run out of rubber

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:00 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
tootsie323 wrote:
Greenman wrote:.

IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).

.
Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.
Well he tried to drive Hamilton off the track going into turn two which ended up with him dropping back, then he dive bombed.bottas and barged him out the way in the arena for no reason (because obviously bottas would repass down the straight with drs) and get a puncture
Turn 1 was fine. He left plenty of room for Hamilton. No attempt to try and drive him off the track at all.

He opened his steering after the apex which isn't the racing line but whatever cba to debate that, he just would have been far better served being more methodical

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:01 pm

JN23 wrote:That was a superb drive from Hamilton.

Think Kvyat might take some pain for that move on Hulk at the end.

Also exhibit 268 why the public vote for driver of the day needs binning.

Indeed do people not realise that Verstappen caused his own puncture?

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:01 pm

FormulaFun wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
tootsie323 wrote:
Greenman wrote:.

IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).

.
Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.
Well he tried to drive Hamilton off the track going into turn two which ended up with him dropping back, then he dive bombed.bottas and barged him out the way in the arena for no reason (because obviously bottas would repass down the straight with drs) and get a puncture
Turn 1 was fine. He left plenty of room for Hamilton. No attempt to try and drive him off the track at all.
He opened his steering after the apex which isn't the racing line but whatever cba to debate that, he just would have been far better served being more methodical

Agreed but why does he have to stick to the racing line? He didn't push Hamilton off. He actively left him room.

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:02 pm

Wasn't it Max's divebomb on Bottas which led to the puncture? Which is why I said him being a non-factor in the race was his own doing. Can anyone confirm?

bourbon19 · Post by **bourbon19** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:02 pm

Great race. Congrats Lewis Sebastian and Valteri

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:03 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
tootsie323 wrote:
Greenman wrote:.

IF Max gets "driver of the day" then it shows how low the standard of judgement is ( almost as low as the stewards ).

.
Was what happened to him his fault? He's had a great comeback.
Well he tried to drive Hamilton off the track going into turn two which ended up with him dropping back, then he dive bombed.bottas and barged him out the way in the arena for no reason (because obviously bottas would repass down the straight with drs) and get a puncture
Turn 1 was fine. He left plenty of room for Hamilton. No attempt to try and drive him off the track at all.

Indeed he left Hamilton room more than can said for Vettel off the start.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:03 pm

Invade wrote:Wasn't it Max's divebomb on Bottas which led to the puncture? Which is why I said him being a non-factor in the race was his own doing. Can anyone confirm?

His out braking attempt was yes. Whether you blame him for the contact or not is really a matter of opinion.

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:03 pm

10 second penalty for Kvyat. That was quick, only if they could do that the rest of the time.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:04 pm

Invade wrote:Wasn't it Max's divebomb on Bottas which led to the puncture? Which is why I said him being a non-factor in the race was his own doing. Can anyone confirm?

That's what happened.

Invade · Post by **Invade** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:04 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
Invade wrote:Wasn't it Max's divebomb on Bottas which led to the puncture? Which is why I said him being a non-factor in the race was his own doing. Can anyone confirm?
His out braking attempt was yes. Whether you blame him for the contact or not is really a matter of opinion.

Well he committed to the move and upped the chances of contact happening. It's just one of those things - there is a risk there, and perhaps most of the time he would have been fine. I'd say he was unlucky but he does up the chances considerably of such incidents occurring.

bourbon19 · Post by **bourbon19** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:05 pm

Verstappen was robbed yesterday. But all things considered he drove a great challenge today.It is best that he came up for the worst for his challenges, but what a drive overall.