2019 Mexican Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:47 pm

FormulaFun wrote:Wonder why Haas and Alfa Romeo aren't seeing the benefits of the Ferrari engine, they must be doing something different - it's can't be the standard engine. Maybe the oil burning has some truth to it

Have to wonder why the Williams can't get out of their own way with a Mercedes P/U.

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:48 pm

kleefton wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:Wonder why Haas and Alfa Romeo aren't seeing the benefits of the Ferrari engine, they must be doing something different - it's can't be the standard engine. Maybe the oil burning has some truth to it
Ferrari’s secret is probably in the ERS deployment. The high altitude doesn’t seem to affect their power at all unlike last year when oil burning was an issue.

Do they not also provide the same ERS to the other teams though? I thought it was in the regs that they had to have all the same gear nd mappings

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:48 pm

Q3, Everyone on soft tires and engines set to "party mode".

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:55 pm

That seems to be a cracking lap from Verstappen

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:57 pm

JN23 wrote:That seems to be a cracking lap from Verstappen

I have to think someone's going to go faster than 1:14.9.

Last year's pole was 1:14.75 IIRC.

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:01 pm

Well that's an anti climax!

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:01 pm

Max personal best under yellows?

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:02 pm

Didn't count on Valtteri hitting the barriers.

kleefton · Post by **kleefton** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:02 pm

FormulaFun wrote:
kleefton wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:Wonder why Haas and Alfa Romeo aren't seeing the benefits of the Ferrari engine, they must be doing something different - it's can't be the standard engine. Maybe the oil burning has some truth to it
Ferrari’s secret is probably in the ERS deployment. The high altitude doesn’t seem to affect their power at all unlike last year when oil burning was an issue.
Do they not also provide the same ERS to the other teams though? I thought it was in the regs that they had to have all the same gear nd mappings

I have been wondering the same. It’s obvious the Ferrari customers are not seeing the same benefit as the works team. While the hardware might be the same I suspect the engine modes available aren’t the same.

sandman1347 · Post by **sandman1347** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:03 pm

Yikes. Nasty looking crash there from Valteri. Should be an interesting race tomorrow. I think Max will have a very hard time keeping the lead at the start with the Ferraris right there.

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:04 pm

sandman1347 wrote:Yikes. Nasty looking crash there from Valteri. Should be an interesting race tomorrow. I think Max will have a very hard time keeping the lead at the start with the Ferraris right there.

Carnage into turn one with that front row

(I say this often and nothing ever happens)

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:05 pm

I think Bottas binning it kept Leclerc in P2. Hamilton was on a good lap and I'm sure Vettel would have had a chance at beating him.

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:05 pm

Leclerc very lucky there he could have been starting 5th or so.

Dunno about Max doing a purple sector 3 under yellow flags l, should probably get a penalty but we all know he won't

sandman1347 · Post by **sandman1347** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:06 pm

JN23 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:Yikes. Nasty looking crash there from Valteri. Should be an interesting race tomorrow. I think Max will have a very hard time keeping the lead at the start with the Ferraris right there.
Carnage into turn one with that front row

(I say this often and nothing ever happens)

I think you'll be right this time. Someone up front is going to have a miserable lap 1 tomorrow (if not multiple people).

sandman1347 · Post by **sandman1347** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:07 pm

FormulaFun wrote:Leclerc very lucky there he could have been starting 5th or so.

Dunno about Max doing a purple sector 3 under yellow flags l, should probably get a penalty but we all know he won't

No of course not. The stewards would be tarred and feathered if he did.

Laz_T800 · Post by **Laz_T800** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:08 pm

Erm, how does Max get away with that.
Everyone backed off and Max comes steaming through with Bottas sat in the barriers.
I thought after Nico did a similar thing you had to visibly slow down under double yellows?

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:08 pm

Also if bottas needs some new parts then he might have a penalty and Hamilton could potentially get the WDC after all - still unlikely though

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:10 pm

Laz_T800 wrote:Erm, how does Max get away with that.
Everyone backed off and Max comes steaming through with Bottas sat in the barriers.
I thought after Nico did a similar thing you had to visibly slow down under double yellows?

Because he is the golden child, and stewards have no cojones, how do you go purple under double yellows and get away with it - this should be a penalty not just deleted lap for such blatent disregard for flags

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:10 pm

Has Bottas crashed more than usual this year? That's the impression I get but could be wrong

Pest44 · Post by **Pest44** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:11 pm

I don’t think there was actually a yellow flag after Bottas crashed. Which is again poor from Masi

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:12 pm

Horner in damage limitation already - clearly there were yellows as everybody else slowed down

Vettel said there was double yellows

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:13 pm

i still think bottas's pace has looked better overall than the last 2 seasons, but this is now his 3rd crash in qualifying or the race that he has wrecked his car. He never did this once in qualifying or the race during his 4 years at Williams. I wonder why he seems to have done it a bit more recently?

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:14 pm

FormulaFun wrote:Horner in damage limitation already - clearly there were yellows as everybody else slowed down

Yeah he says no yellows and that Hamilton didn't lift. Vettel says there was yellows.

Jack Aitken's view...

spiritone · Post by **spiritone** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:14 pm

Did hamilton complete his lap before the yellow? Looked like it. Was it any better than his first lap?

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:15 pm

Pest44 wrote:I don’t think there was actually a yellow flag after Bottas crashed. Which is again poor from Masi

yea i thought their reaction time to get them out was pathetic. They should be observent enough to do it in a second or two. i think a fw cars past bottas before they were out. Not good...

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:15 pm

If there were no waved yellows this is a disgrace

No... clearly yellow flags when Verstappen went through

Laz_T800 · Post by **Laz_T800** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:16 pm

Max is bang to rights. Some kind of penalty coming his way.

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:17 pm

FormulaFun wrote:Horner in damage limitation already - clearly there were yellows as everybody else slowed down

Vettel said there was double yellows

I think some will have slowed down as a reaction to what happened rather than the yellows.

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:18 pm

What kind of penalty would Verstappen get? Just cancel the lap or a grid drop?

Asphalt_World · Post by **Asphalt_World** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:19 pm

Not sure he should have pole removed, but a fastest section in final section must surely have some kind of penalty.

kleefton · Post by **kleefton** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:19 pm

spiritone wrote:Did hamilton complete his lap before the yellow? Looked like it. Was it any better than his first lap?

Yes. And yes he improved.

shoot999 · Post by **shoot999** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:19 pm

FormulaFun wrote:
Laz_T800 wrote:Erm, how does Max get away with that.
Everyone backed off and Max comes steaming through with Bottas sat in the barriers.
I thought after Nico did a similar thing you had to visibly slow down under double yellows?
Because he is the golden child, and stewards have no cojones, how do you go purple under double yellows and get away with it - this should be a penalty not just deleted lap for such blatent disregard for flags

I understand Masi is so angry about it he has asked Horner's permission to go down to the RB garage to wave the black & white at Max. As long as it's not going to upset Max that is.

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:20 pm

Laz_T800 wrote:Max is bang to rights. Some kind of penalty coming his way.

Actually would be surprised if gets a penalty, no matter how obviously deserved it is... Be interested to see the Hamilton side of things

Pest44 · Post by **Pest44** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:20 pm

Yeah looks like waved yellows but no yellows on the track board which is weird. Silly mistake from Max as he was already on pole and he should get some sort of penalty

Asphalt_World · Post by **Asphalt_World** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:21 pm

So, Christian saying there were no yellows in the final sector when Max came through! Really?

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:22 pm

Asphalt_World wrote:So, Christian saying there were no yellows in the final sector when Max came through! Really?

He's talking rubbish.

FormulaFun · Post by **FormulaFun** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:24 pm

Asphalt_World wrote:So, Christian saying there were no yellows in the final sector when Max came through! Really?

Yup they already showed a video with a yellow flag clearly being waved as he goes through... Why lie?

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:24 pm

Asphalt_World wrote:So, Christian saying there were no yellows in the final sector when Max came through! Really?

Horner ain't no Saint!!!!!!!!!!

Source - Imgur

Asphalt_World · Post by **Asphalt_World** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:25 pm

JN23 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:So, Christian saying there were no yellows in the final sector when Max came through! Really?
He's talking rubbish.

You do have to wonder. Anyway, Ferrari are saying that the yellow light on the dash came on before that final corner in both Ferrari's.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:26 pm

JN23 wrote:What kind of penalty would Verstappen get? Just cancel the lap or a grid drop?

5 Place grid drop, like he got last year.