Miami GP...again...2021
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:08 am
Why not just use the Indy layout? It's a beautiful circuit and iconicfor many forms of motorsport.UnlikeUday wrote:This is the track layout:
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The Indy layout is no longer possible with the new stadium and changes to the streets.Tufty wrote:Why not just use the Indy layout? It's a beautiful circuit and iconicfor many forms of motorsport.UnlikeUday wrote:This is the track layout:
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You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
Um. America and the Americas are quite different. I'm really not sure why having a GP in Brazil should have any influence on how many US races there are.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).Herb wrote:Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.
I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
Well if the race ever happens, everyone from PF1 who comes down has to get together so we could attend together. I’d volunteer myself to drive as many of us around. Should be a great time for us all.Herb wrote:Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.
I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
Well if the race ever happens, everyone from PF1 who comes down has to get together so we could attend together. I’d volunteer myself to drive as many of us around. Should be a great time for us all.Herb wrote:Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.
I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
That's a pretty insular, and self defeating way of running things. If you dont try and race in new places, how can you expect to spread popularity there? Or encourage new teams/tracks from new locations?Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).Herb wrote:Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.
I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
Sort of 7 at least partial.Jezza13 wrote:Well I hope they don't leave it too much longer to get a race there. Isn't Miami suppose to disappear into the Atlantic in 12 yrs time or something like that?
I said this with the first Miami concept a year or 2 ago. The sport is in danger of becoming overly populated with street circuits. With the addition of Vietnam, next year there'll be 6 street races in the 22 race program. This makes up about 27% of the calendar which is ok. I wouldn't like to see more than 30% of the races as street tracks though.
I didn't really include Montreal but ok, that takes us to about 32%. If they throw Miami in it'll be just over 36% of the races as street circuits. Probably slightly less than ideal for my liking anyway.mikeyg123 wrote:Sort of 7 at least partial.Jezza13 wrote:Well I hope they don't leave it too much longer to get a race there. Isn't Miami suppose to disappear into the Atlantic in 12 yrs time or something like that?
I said this with the first Miami concept a year or 2 ago. The sport is in danger of becoming overly populated with street circuits. With the addition of Vietnam, next year there'll be 6 street races in the 22 race program. This makes up about 27% of the calendar which is ok. I wouldn't like to see more than 30% of the races as street tracks though.
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Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).Herb wrote:Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.
I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
Key word is 'based'.Asphalt_World wrote:Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).Herb wrote:Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.
I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
Then you need to be more specific. I've based it on where the overwhelming majority of teams are based, the UK, but you seem to have drawn your own lines on a map of the world.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Key word is 'based'.Asphalt_World wrote:Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).Herb wrote:Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.
I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
Maybe my phrasing could have been better. What I originally meant is that it should be based mainly on how popular F1 is in that country, but also factor in whether there is history to the track, if a team is based there, a driver born there, etc. For me, USA doesn't tick enough boxes for it to host two Grand Prix. There is the other side of the coin that Flash pointed out that F1 should attract new fans, which is a good argument. However, we're already doing quite a lot of that already and I think we should slow down and maintain the pedigree of F1.Asphalt_World wrote:Then you need to be more specific. I've based it on where the overwhelming majority of teams are based, the UK, but you seem to have drawn your own lines on a map of the world.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Key word is 'based'.Asphalt_World wrote:Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).Herb wrote: Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.
The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.
I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
Thanks, I understand that, but I'm not sure many of the current F1 races outside of Europe would constitute huge fan bases compared to all manner of Euro countries. The sport has to look at money, whether we like that or not, also also needs to be covering the globe to look like a true world champ.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Maybe my phrasing could have been better. What I originally meant is that it should be based mainly on how popular F1 is in that country, but also factor in whether there is history to the track, if a team is based there, a driver born there, etc. For me, USA doesn't tick enough boxes for it to host two Grand Prix. There is the other side of the coin that Flash pointed out that F1 should attract new fans, which is a good argument. However, we're already doing quite a lot of that already and I think we should slow down and maintain the pedigree of F1.Asphalt_World wrote:Then you need to be more specific. I've based it on where the overwhelming majority of teams are based, the UK, but you seem to have drawn your own lines on a map of the world.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Key word is 'based'.Asphalt_World wrote:Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).
I agree but surely if the goal is to cover the globe then the US has no claim to two grand prixs. Especially when there are huge regions without one. A grand prix in Africa or a second in South America should surely be a higher priority ?Asphalt_World wrote:Thanks, I understand that, but I'm not sure many of the current F1 races outside of Europe would constitute huge fan bases compared to all manner of Euro countries. The sport has to look at money, whether we like that or not, also also needs to be covering the globe to look like a true world champ.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Maybe my phrasing could have been better. What I originally meant is that it should be based mainly on how popular F1 is in that country, but also factor in whether there is history to the track, if a team is based there, a driver born there, etc. For me, USA doesn't tick enough boxes for it to host two Grand Prix. There is the other side of the coin that Flash pointed out that F1 should attract new fans, which is a good argument. However, we're already doing quite a lot of that already and I think we should slow down and maintain the pedigree of F1.Asphalt_World wrote:Then you need to be more specific. I've based it on where the overwhelming majority of teams are based, the UK, but you seem to have drawn your own lines on a map of the world.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Key word is 'based'.Asphalt_World wrote:
Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.
In my opinion yes, but playing devils advocate here' they also have to look at expected commercial success whether we like it or not.mikeyg123 wrote:I agree but surely if the goal is to cover the globe then the US has no claim to two grand prixs. Especially when there are huge regions without one. A grand prix in Africa or a second in South America should surely be a higher priority ?Asphalt_World wrote:Thanks, I understand that, but I'm not sure many of the current F1 races outside of Europe would constitute huge fan bases compared to all manner of Euro countries. The sport has to look at money, whether we like that or not, also also needs to be covering the globe to look like a true world champ.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:Maybe my phrasing could have been better. What I originally meant is that it should be based mainly on how popular F1 is in that country, but also factor in whether there is history to the track, if a team is based there, a driver born there, etc. For me, USA doesn't tick enough boxes for it to host two Grand Prix. There is the other side of the coin that Flash pointed out that F1 should attract new fans, which is a good argument. However, we're already doing quite a lot of that already and I think we should slow down and maintain the pedigree of F1.Asphalt_World wrote:Then you need to be more specific. I've based it on where the overwhelming majority of teams are based, the UK, but you seem to have drawn your own lines on a map of the world.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Key word is 'based'.
Oh my...Jezza13 wrote:Looks like the blue rinse brigade have risen up & voiced their opposal to the race.
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/miami ... g/4589606/
Won't someone think of the children!!1The majority of the opposition’s scaremongering, far-fetched and borderline preposterous claims of the “deadly effects” of F1 thus went unchallenged. And the message was compounded by the current county commissioner for Miami Gardens, Barbara Jordan, who is vehemently opposed to the plan. She actually used a crash-filled showreel of F1 racing to prove her point about how impactful it would be to the community.
“Look at the racing!” said Jordan shortly before the voting took place. “There are six schools located within a mile of the stadium. One of them is across the street! Friday is a school day. How can our kids learn when you have noise levels. The lobbyists told me the cars are quieter now, 134db. Well, I dare you to stand under the decibel noise for five minutes because you’ll walk away deaf.
“Formula 1 tires: In that video you saw the smoke coming of the tires? It’s toxic. Listen, I haven’t been able to sleep over this, just thinking about those tires going around and spinning. When I was researching all of this I came across a YouTube show by a driver called Scott Mansell, it’s called Driver61, and he took a Pirelli tire off one of the F1 cars and cut it in two. And when he did it, the smoke got to him, and he had to go and put on a mask. The shavings from the tire filled his shirt – poisonous shavings! The tire particles covered his shirt as he cut it open and the mask was needed to protect his eyes from the smoke.
DFW International Airport is one of the busiest on the planet, and has several flights every day from the UK, and the Orient, for that matter.Herb wrote:Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.
I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
What has DFW got to do with it? Its neither as easy nor as cheap to get to as Florida for Brits (ironically, the cheapest way for me to get to DFW is via MCO).DFWdude wrote:DFW International Airport is one of the busiest on the planet, and has several flights every day from the UK, and the Orient, for that matter.Herb wrote:Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.
I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
DFW Int'l is just 3 hour's drive from COTA in Austin.
Florida is a retirement community (apart from Disneyworld). They don't like loud noises, and the grandstands are not handicap-accesible.
Sounds like F1 were just not prepared for the opposition, poor effort on their behalf. Shame.Jezza13 wrote:Looks like the blue rinse brigade have risen up & voiced their opposal to the race.
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/miami ... g/4589606/
Wow. Way to go making your own side look like total morons.The majority of the opposition’s scaremongering, far-fetched and borderline preposterous claims of the “deadly effects” of F1 thus went unchallenged. And the message was compounded by the current county commissioner for Miami Gardens, Barbara Jordan, who is vehemently opposed to the plan. She actually used a crash-filled showreel of F1 racing to prove her point about how impactful it would be to the community.
“Look at the racing!” said Jordan shortly before the voting took place. “There are six schools located within a mile of the stadium. One of them is across the street! Friday is a school day. How can our kids learn when you have noise levels. The lobbyists told me the cars are quieter now, 134db. Well, I dare you to stand under the decibel noise for five minutes because you’ll walk away deaf.
“Formula 1 tires: In that video you saw the smoke coming of the tires? It’s toxic. Listen, I haven’t been able to sleep over this, just thinking about those tires going around and spinning. When I was researching all of this I came across a YouTube show by a driver called Scott Mansell, it’s called Driver61, and he took a Pirelli tire off one of the F1 cars and cut it in two. And when he did it, the smoke got to him, and he had to go and put on a mask. The shavings from the tire filled his shirt – poisonous shavings! The tire particles covered his shirt as he cut it open and the mask was needed to protect his eyes from the smoke.
Garbage it may be, but I do feel they've done us all a favour by helping to consign this horrid proposal for an F1 event to the dustbin.Exediron wrote:Wow. Way to go making your own side look like total morons.The majority of the opposition’s scaremongering, far-fetched and borderline preposterous claims of the “deadly effects” of F1 thus went unchallenged. And the message was compounded by the current county commissioner for Miami Gardens, Barbara Jordan, who is vehemently opposed to the plan. She actually used a crash-filled showreel of F1 racing to prove her point about how impactful it would be to the community.
“Look at the racing!” said Jordan shortly before the voting took place. “There are six schools located within a mile of the stadium. One of them is across the street! Friday is a school day. How can our kids learn when you have noise levels. The lobbyists told me the cars are quieter now, 134db. Well, I dare you to stand under the decibel noise for five minutes because you’ll walk away deaf.
“Formula 1 tires: In that video you saw the smoke coming of the tires? It’s toxic. Listen, I haven’t been able to sleep over this, just thinking about those tires going around and spinning. When I was researching all of this I came across a YouTube show by a driver called Scott Mansell, it’s called Driver61, and he took a Pirelli tire off one of the F1 cars and cut it in two. And when he did it, the smoke got to him, and he had to go and put on a mask. The shavings from the tire filled his shirt – poisonous shavings! The tire particles covered his shirt as he cut it open and the mask was needed to protect his eyes from the smoke.
The noise level is a valid complaint, although the new cars are indeed much quieter. The rest is total garbage.
Replace a universally applauded purpose-built road course with yet another temporary, mickey mouse street circuit? Nonsense!jimmyj wrote:I bet if this race did go ahead it would be the end of COTA.
I don't understand why they have these meetings at early hours during the week when tax paying citizens and fans of F1 are working and can't get out to voice our opinion on these matters. I would have filled the half hour myself and would have thwarted those old windbags' uneducated arguments.Jezza13 wrote:Looks like the blue rinse brigade have risen up & voiced their opposal to the race.
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/miami ... g/4589606/
I meeeeeean… We host Air shows here where F18 Hornets, F14 Tomcats, F16's, B52 and B2 Bombers, and many other military jets fly overhead for several weeks and the students cope just fine, and in fact teachers allow the kids to look outside the windows when the jets are visible. And I can assure you Military Jets make even the loudest F1 cars of all time sound like whispers by comparison.Covalent wrote:Oh my...Jezza13 wrote:Looks like the blue rinse brigade have risen up & voiced their opposal to the race.
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/miami ... g/4589606/
Won't someone think of the children!!1The majority of the opposition’s scaremongering, far-fetched and borderline preposterous claims of the “deadly effects” of F1 thus went unchallenged. And the message was compounded by the current county commissioner for Miami Gardens, Barbara Jordan, who is vehemently opposed to the plan. She actually used a crash-filled showreel of F1 racing to prove her point about how impactful it would be to the community.
“Look at the racing!” said Jordan shortly before the voting took place. “There are six schools located within a mile of the stadium. One of them is across the street! Friday is a school day. How can our kids learn when you have noise levels. The lobbyists told me the cars are quieter now, 134db. Well, I dare you to stand under the decibel noise for five minutes because you’ll walk away deaf.
“Formula 1 tires: In that video you saw the smoke coming of the tires? It’s toxic. Listen, I haven’t been able to sleep over this, just thinking about those tires going around and spinning. When I was researching all of this I came across a YouTube show by a driver called Scott Mansell, it’s called Driver61, and he took a Pirelli tire off one of the F1 cars and cut it in two. And when he did it, the smoke got to him, and he had to go and put on a mask. The shavings from the tire filled his shirt – poisonous shavings! The tire particles covered his shirt as he cut it open and the mask was needed to protect his eyes from the smoke.