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This is the track layout:

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I will totally be there.

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I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.

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UnlikeUday wrote:This is the track layout:

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Why not just use the Indy layout? It's a beautiful circuit and iconicfor many forms of motorsport.
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I'm not a fan of the layout. Too many big stops prevent the circuit from flowing. It's a shame we have become so obsessed with overtaking that we don't get new tracks with any flow anymore. The funny things is half the time they end up being bad for overtaking anyway.

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Difficult to have a flowing circuit using existing roads. If I am correct that is what they'll be using. If not, I agree with you, flowing circuits using natural landscape prevail.

That being said, most if not all passing is done in braking zones, and these do have some hard braking zones here, which, coupled with a lower downforce configuration normally mandated by a track with long straights, should provide some excitement.
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The US does not need a second GP, IMO.

COTA is great, and centrally located within the country. That should be sufficient, given the amount of fans there are in the US. Of course, east coasters will want a race -- any circuit -- on the east coast.

I don't like the layout, either.

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Tufty wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:This is the track layout:

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Why not just use the Indy layout? It's a beautiful circuit and iconicfor many forms of motorsport.
The Indy layout is no longer possible with the new stadium and changes to the streets.
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Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Um. America and the Americas are quite different. I'm really not sure why having a GP in Brazil should have any influence on how many US races there are.
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.

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Herb wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).
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Herb wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
Well if the race ever happens, everyone from PF1 who comes down has to get together so we could attend together. I’d volunteer myself to drive as many of us around. Should be a great time for us all.
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Herb wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
Well if the race ever happens, everyone from PF1 who comes down has to get together so we could attend together. I’d volunteer myself to drive as many of us around. Should be a great time for us all.
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Herb wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).
That's a pretty insular, and self defeating way of running things. If you dont try and race in new places, how can you expect to spread popularity there? Or encourage new teams/tracks from new locations?
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Well I hope they don't leave it too much longer to get a race there. Isn't Miami suppose to disappear into the Atlantic in 12 yrs time or something like that?

I said this with the first Miami concept a year or 2 ago. The sport is in danger of becoming overly populated with street circuits. With the addition of Vietnam, next year there'll be 6 street races in the 22 race program. This makes up about 27% of the calendar which is ok. I wouldn't like to see more than 30% of the races as street tracks though.
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Jezza13 wrote:Well I hope they don't leave it too much longer to get a race there. Isn't Miami suppose to disappear into the Atlantic in 12 yrs time or something like that?

I said this with the first Miami concept a year or 2 ago. The sport is in danger of becoming overly populated with street circuits. With the addition of Vietnam, next year there'll be 6 street races in the 22 race program. This makes up about 27% of the calendar which is ok. I wouldn't like to see more than 30% of the races as street tracks though.
Sort of 7 at least partial.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:Well I hope they don't leave it too much longer to get a race there. Isn't Miami suppose to disappear into the Atlantic in 12 yrs time or something like that?

I said this with the first Miami concept a year or 2 ago. The sport is in danger of becoming overly populated with street circuits. With the addition of Vietnam, next year there'll be 6 street races in the 22 race program. This makes up about 27% of the calendar which is ok. I wouldn't like to see more than 30% of the races as street tracks though.
Sort of 7 at least partial.

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I didn't really include Montreal but ok, that takes us to about 32%. If they throw Miami in it'll be just over 36% of the races as street circuits. Probably slightly less than ideal for my liking anyway.
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Herb wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).
Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.
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i won't hold my breathe about this happening, but i'll hope to be in miami during may 2021, watching f1 cars

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I don't see why any country should have more than one race. COTA is a great event, the US doesn't need another one.

The proposed circuit also looks terribly uninspiring. Sochi Mark 2.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Herb wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).
Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.
Key word is 'based'.
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Herb wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).
Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.
Key word is 'based'.
Then you need to be more specific. I've based it on where the overwhelming majority of teams are based, the UK, but you seem to have drawn your own lines on a map of the world.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Herb wrote: Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).
Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.
Key word is 'based'.
Then you need to be more specific. I've based it on where the overwhelming majority of teams are based, the UK, but you seem to have drawn your own lines on a map of the world.
Maybe my phrasing could have been better. What I originally meant is that it should be based mainly on how popular F1 is in that country, but also factor in whether there is history to the track, if a team is based there, a driver born there, etc. For me, USA doesn't tick enough boxes for it to host two Grand Prix. There is the other side of the coin that Flash pointed out that F1 should attract new fans, which is a good argument. However, we're already doing quite a lot of that already and I think we should slow down and maintain the pedigree of F1.
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EDIT- Never mind I figured it out.

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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
I understand that. But you're viewing it on the basis that Grand Prix should be equidistant to each other. I think it should be based more on the proportionate popularity of F1 amongst others (history, driver + team home nations, etc).
Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.
Key word is 'based'.
Then you need to be more specific. I've based it on where the overwhelming majority of teams are based, the UK, but you seem to have drawn your own lines on a map of the world.
Maybe my phrasing could have been better. What I originally meant is that it should be based mainly on how popular F1 is in that country, but also factor in whether there is history to the track, if a team is based there, a driver born there, etc. For me, USA doesn't tick enough boxes for it to host two Grand Prix. There is the other side of the coin that Flash pointed out that F1 should attract new fans, which is a good argument. However, we're already doing quite a lot of that already and I think we should slow down and maintain the pedigree of F1.
Thanks, I understand that, but I'm not sure many of the current F1 races outside of Europe would constitute huge fan bases compared to all manner of Euro countries. The sport has to look at money, whether we like that or not, also also needs to be covering the globe to look like a true world champ.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Team home nations. OK. Best race at Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton, Cadwell Park, Snetterton, Oulton Park and Donnington next year then.
Key word is 'based'.
Then you need to be more specific. I've based it on where the overwhelming majority of teams are based, the UK, but you seem to have drawn your own lines on a map of the world.
Maybe my phrasing could have been better. What I originally meant is that it should be based mainly on how popular F1 is in that country, but also factor in whether there is history to the track, if a team is based there, a driver born there, etc. For me, USA doesn't tick enough boxes for it to host two Grand Prix. There is the other side of the coin that Flash pointed out that F1 should attract new fans, which is a good argument. However, we're already doing quite a lot of that already and I think we should slow down and maintain the pedigree of F1.
Thanks, I understand that, but I'm not sure many of the current F1 races outside of Europe would constitute huge fan bases compared to all manner of Euro countries. The sport has to look at money, whether we like that or not, also also needs to be covering the globe to look like a true world champ.
I agree but surely if the goal is to cover the globe then the US has no claim to two grand prixs. Especially when there are huge regions without one. A grand prix in Africa or a second in South America should surely be a higher priority ?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Key word is 'based'.
Then you need to be more specific. I've based it on where the overwhelming majority of teams are based, the UK, but you seem to have drawn your own lines on a map of the world.
Maybe my phrasing could have been better. What I originally meant is that it should be based mainly on how popular F1 is in that country, but also factor in whether there is history to the track, if a team is based there, a driver born there, etc. For me, USA doesn't tick enough boxes for it to host two Grand Prix. There is the other side of the coin that Flash pointed out that F1 should attract new fans, which is a good argument. However, we're already doing quite a lot of that already and I think we should slow down and maintain the pedigree of F1.
Thanks, I understand that, but I'm not sure many of the current F1 races outside of Europe would constitute huge fan bases compared to all manner of Euro countries. The sport has to look at money, whether we like that or not, also also needs to be covering the globe to look like a true world champ.
I agree but surely if the goal is to cover the globe then the US has no claim to two grand prixs. Especially when there are huge regions without one. A grand prix in Africa or a second in South America should surely be a higher priority ?
In my opinion yes, but playing devils advocate here' they also have to look at expected commercial success whether we like it or not.
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Looks like the blue rinse brigade have risen up & voiced their opposal to the race.

https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/miami ... g/4589606/
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Jezza13 wrote:Looks like the blue rinse brigade have risen up & voiced their opposal to the race.

https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/miami ... g/4589606/
Oh my...
The majority of the opposition’s scaremongering, far-fetched and borderline preposterous claims of the “deadly effects” of F1 thus went unchallenged. And the message was compounded by the current county commissioner for Miami Gardens, Barbara Jordan, who is vehemently opposed to the plan. She actually used a crash-filled showreel of F1 racing to prove her point about how impactful it would be to the community.

“Look at the racing!” said Jordan shortly before the voting took place. “There are six schools located within a mile of the stadium. One of them is across the street! Friday is a school day. How can our kids learn when you have noise levels. The lobbyists told me the cars are quieter now, 134db. Well, I dare you to stand under the decibel noise for five minutes because you’ll walk away deaf.

“Formula 1 tires: In that video you saw the smoke coming of the tires? It’s toxic. Listen, I haven’t been able to sleep over this, just thinking about those tires going around and spinning. When I was researching all of this I came across a YouTube show by a driver called Scott Mansell, it’s called Driver61, and he took a Pirelli tire off one of the F1 cars and cut it in two. And when he did it, the smoke got to him, and he had to go and put on a mask. The shavings from the tire filled his shirt – poisonous shavings! The tire particles covered his shirt as he cut it open and the mask was needed to protect his eyes from the smoke.
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Herb wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
DFW International Airport is one of the busiest on the planet, and has several flights every day from the UK, and the Orient, for that matter.

DFW Int'l is just 3 hour's drive from COTA in Austin.

Florida is a retirement community (apart from Disneyworld). They don't like loud noises, and the grandstands are not handicap-accesible.

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DFWdude wrote:
Herb wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sutton wrote:I agree the US needs a 2nd GP, but will need to see if this gets off the ground.
I would prefer they went back to Indy.
Loved seeing the F1 cars on the oval.
You think? I think Canada, US, Mexico and Brasil should be enough for the Americas.
Do you realise how far apart they are? Better remove half of the European races then.

The intention is to hold a race in a "destination" area of the US. Which is why Florida, and previously New York have been looked at.

I'm intrigued by this. Florida is a relatively easy and cheap place to get to from the UK.
DFW International Airport is one of the busiest on the planet, and has several flights every day from the UK, and the Orient, for that matter.

DFW Int'l is just 3 hour's drive from COTA in Austin.

Florida is a retirement community (apart from Disneyworld). They don't like loud noises, and the grandstands are not handicap-accesible.
What has DFW got to do with it? Its neither as easy nor as cheap to get to as Florida for Brits (ironically, the cheapest way for me to get to DFW is via MCO).

Many people may retire to Florida, but there is much more than retirement homes there. Including plenty of noisy sports venues.
Jezza13 wrote:Looks like the blue rinse brigade have risen up & voiced their opposal to the race.

https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/miami ... g/4589606/
Sounds like F1 were just not prepared for the opposition, poor effort on their behalf. Shame.

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The majority of the opposition’s scaremongering, far-fetched and borderline preposterous claims of the “deadly effects” of F1 thus went unchallenged. And the message was compounded by the current county commissioner for Miami Gardens, Barbara Jordan, who is vehemently opposed to the plan. She actually used a crash-filled showreel of F1 racing to prove her point about how impactful it would be to the community.

“Look at the racing!” said Jordan shortly before the voting took place. “There are six schools located within a mile of the stadium. One of them is across the street! Friday is a school day. How can our kids learn when you have noise levels. The lobbyists told me the cars are quieter now, 134db. Well, I dare you to stand under the decibel noise for five minutes because you’ll walk away deaf.

“Formula 1 tires: In that video you saw the smoke coming of the tires? It’s toxic. Listen, I haven’t been able to sleep over this, just thinking about those tires going around and spinning. When I was researching all of this I came across a YouTube show by a driver called Scott Mansell, it’s called Driver61, and he took a Pirelli tire off one of the F1 cars and cut it in two. And when he did it, the smoke got to him, and he had to go and put on a mask. The shavings from the tire filled his shirt – poisonous shavings! The tire particles covered his shirt as he cut it open and the mask was needed to protect his eyes from the smoke.
Wow. Way to go making your own side look like total morons. :?

The noise level is a valid complaint, although the new cars are indeed much quieter. The rest is total garbage.
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Exediron wrote:
The majority of the opposition’s scaremongering, far-fetched and borderline preposterous claims of the “deadly effects” of F1 thus went unchallenged. And the message was compounded by the current county commissioner for Miami Gardens, Barbara Jordan, who is vehemently opposed to the plan. She actually used a crash-filled showreel of F1 racing to prove her point about how impactful it would be to the community.

“Look at the racing!” said Jordan shortly before the voting took place. “There are six schools located within a mile of the stadium. One of them is across the street! Friday is a school day. How can our kids learn when you have noise levels. The lobbyists told me the cars are quieter now, 134db. Well, I dare you to stand under the decibel noise for five minutes because you’ll walk away deaf.

“Formula 1 tires: In that video you saw the smoke coming of the tires? It’s toxic. Listen, I haven’t been able to sleep over this, just thinking about those tires going around and spinning. When I was researching all of this I came across a YouTube show by a driver called Scott Mansell, it’s called Driver61, and he took a Pirelli tire off one of the F1 cars and cut it in two. And when he did it, the smoke got to him, and he had to go and put on a mask. The shavings from the tire filled his shirt – poisonous shavings! The tire particles covered his shirt as he cut it open and the mask was needed to protect his eyes from the smoke.
Wow. Way to go making your own side look like total morons. :?

The noise level is a valid complaint, although the new cars are indeed much quieter. The rest is total garbage.
Garbage it may be, but I do feel they've done us all a favour by helping to consign this horrid proposal for an F1 event to the dustbin.

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Pretty absurd stuff at the meeting. I bet if this race did go ahead it would be the end of COTA.

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jimmyj wrote:I bet if this race did go ahead it would be the end of COTA.
Replace a universally applauded purpose-built road course with yet another temporary, mickey mouse street circuit? Nonsense! :thumbdown:
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Jezza13 wrote:Looks like the blue rinse brigade have risen up & voiced their opposal to the race.

https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/miami ... g/4589606/
I don't understand why they have these meetings at early hours during the week when tax paying citizens and fans of F1 are working and can't get out to voice our opinion on these matters. I would have filled the half hour myself and would have thwarted those old windbags' uneducated arguments.

I've lived here for 32 years and the elderly oppose anything that isn't bingo or gambling and it's unfair that they convene on such matters at times that are convenient for them and not for the younger demographic, who far outnumber the elderly. Florida is the retirement capital of the world, but over the last 30 years it has evolved drastically in that it became a place where people moved their young families in order to seek a better life for their children and today that's what Florida should be known for rather than a place you come to live out your twilight years and die.

The area around where Dolphin's Stadium is built is the the ghetto of Miami Gardens and there isn't much of anything around it for a couple of miles in every direction outside of a few restaurants, and that I know of there are no elderly communities in the area so they must've worked really hard to round up these people in order to create the facade of there being many elderly folks who's retirement would be inconvenienced to such a great degree.

Something stinks and I don't like it.

The one clueless moron wearing the Trump hate shirt, his comments were preposterous and completely asinine in every regard and held absolutely no truth in any capacity. Emerson Fittipaldi has lived here for decades, but he's 72 and not a public speaker and they should have had a more youthful and more prepared person to champion the argument for the race committee and utilized him as the elderly voice to balance out the argument.

If you've ever been to a Dolphin's game you'd know that they close off all the streets to better control traffic, but they also hold other events all-year round as ALL stadiums do in order to earn money, INCLUDING MONSTER TRUCKS which are bigger, are the most pollution emitting, and are far louder than anything you've ever heard with their 2,000+ horsepower motors, and that's ok, not a problem.

Here's footage I shot with my phone at Dolphin Stadium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN72qjX ... e=youtu.be
And trust me when I tell you you can hear them for miles.
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Covalent wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:Looks like the blue rinse brigade have risen up & voiced their opposal to the race.

https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/miami ... g/4589606/
Oh my...
The majority of the opposition’s scaremongering, far-fetched and borderline preposterous claims of the “deadly effects” of F1 thus went unchallenged. And the message was compounded by the current county commissioner for Miami Gardens, Barbara Jordan, who is vehemently opposed to the plan. She actually used a crash-filled showreel of F1 racing to prove her point about how impactful it would be to the community.

“Look at the racing!” said Jordan shortly before the voting took place. “There are six schools located within a mile of the stadium. One of them is across the street! Friday is a school day. How can our kids learn when you have noise levels. The lobbyists told me the cars are quieter now, 134db. Well, I dare you to stand under the decibel noise for five minutes because you’ll walk away deaf.

“Formula 1 tires: In that video you saw the smoke coming of the tires? It’s toxic. Listen, I haven’t been able to sleep over this, just thinking about those tires going around and spinning. When I was researching all of this I came across a YouTube show by a driver called Scott Mansell, it’s called Driver61, and he took a Pirelli tire off one of the F1 cars and cut it in two. And when he did it, the smoke got to him, and he had to go and put on a mask. The shavings from the tire filled his shirt – poisonous shavings! The tire particles covered his shirt as he cut it open and the mask was needed to protect his eyes from the smoke.
Won't someone think of the children!!1
I meeeeeean… We host Air shows here where F18 Hornets, F14 Tomcats, F16's, B52 and B2 Bombers, and many other military jets fly overhead for several weeks and the students cope just fine, and in fact teachers allow the kids to look outside the windows when the jets are visible. And I can assure you Military Jets make even the loudest F1 cars of all time sound like whispers by comparison.

The arguments made by the opposition should have been like clay ducks waiting to be shot out of the air the moment they left the launcher with ease. Who put together the committee for F1??!?!? The arguments made by the opposition are a literal joke and the epitome of hypocrisy.
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they ought to concern themselves with getting all those boats off the ocean.....the pollution, noise etc...lol

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