Leclerc penalised 15 seconds after Japan race
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:45 am
......and a further 10 seconds for being an idiot.mikeyg123 wrote:5 seconds for taking someone out the race...
His debris nearly struck Hamilton on the helmet, it also damaged Hamiltons cars sidepod wings.mikeyg123 wrote:I actually think the 10 second bit is a really inconsistent penalty. We have seen drivers continue with damaged cars for years and I can't recall anyone getting penalised for it.
When have we seen this? Drivers tend to keep going.Johnson wrote:His debris nearly struck Hamilton on the helmet, it also damaged Hamiltons cars sidepod wings.mikeyg123 wrote:I actually think the 10 second bit is a really inconsistent penalty. We have seen drivers continue with damaged cars for years and I can't recall anyone getting penalised for it.
Loose bodywork, you usually aren’t allowed to continue. That was the worst case of it I can remember, he continued for 2 laps after Ferrari were told to pit him. Fair penalty for me.
It’s quite rare for drivers to continue with dangling bodywork. Leclercs end plate was flapping around for over a lap. Causing sparks as it bottomed out on the straights.mikeyg123 wrote:When have we seen this? Drivers tend to keep going.Johnson wrote:His debris nearly struck Hamilton on the helmet, it also damaged Hamiltons cars sidepod wings.mikeyg123 wrote:I actually think the 10 second bit is a really inconsistent penalty. We have seen drivers continue with damaged cars for years and I can't recall anyone getting penalised for it.
Loose bodywork, you usually aren’t allowed to continue. That was the worst case of it I can remember, he continued for 2 laps after Ferrari were told to pit him. Fair penalty for me.
Drivers tend to continue to get back to the pits for repairs not stay out two extra laps after being told to pit. The FIA had been told Leclerc was coming in straight away for repairs so probably why they didn’t give the black and orange flag. It seemed Leclerc disobeyed the team and stayed out. Like we saw Hamilton was lucky the debris didn’t hit his helmet but some of the debris got into Norris’ wheel and caused the brake temps to soar. Which pretty much ended his race. I actually think it’s a lenient penalty for Leclerc and won’t teach him anything.mikeyg123 wrote:When have we seen this? Drivers tend to keep going.Johnson wrote:His debris nearly struck Hamilton on the helmet, it also damaged Hamiltons cars sidepod wings.mikeyg123 wrote:I actually think the 10 second bit is a really inconsistent penalty. We have seen drivers continue with damaged cars for years and I can't recall anyone getting penalised for it.
Loose bodywork, you usually aren’t allowed to continue. That was the worst case of it I can remember, he continued for 2 laps after Ferrari were told to pit him. Fair penalty for me.
It's rare but I don't recall it being penalised when it has happened. A long time ago I admit but the example that springs to mind is Kimi driving half the race Magny Cours 2008 with a big piece of exhaust flailing around.Johnson wrote:It’s quite rare for drivers to continue with dangling bodywork. Leclercs end plate was flapping around for over a lap. Causing sparks as it bottomed out on the straights.mikeyg123 wrote:When have we seen this? Drivers tend to keep going.Johnson wrote:His debris nearly struck Hamilton on the helmet, it also damaged Hamiltons cars sidepod wings.mikeyg123 wrote:I actually think the 10 second bit is a really inconsistent penalty. We have seen drivers continue with damaged cars for years and I can't recall anyone getting penalised for it.
Loose bodywork, you usually aren’t allowed to continue. That was the worst case of it I can remember, he continued for 2 laps after Ferrari were told to pit him. Fair penalty for me.
Ironically, by the time Leclerc pitted he was actually safe to continue as it had broken off. If it had broken off during lap 1 he likely would have been ok to continue.
I think this incident was especially dangerous because it was in front of the front tyre and could have gone under it and ended in massive accident.
Yea you can see on this video at 1:01. A slow motion replay of Leclerc losing part of his car and it hitting Hamilton's mirror. Leclerc only a bit later loses his own mirror too. Damaging Hamilton's mirror, wrecking his own car, wrecking Norris's race, endangering loads of other cars and them having to take evasive action. 10 second penalty for this is very little indeed.Pest44 wrote:Drivers tend to continue to get back to the pits for repairs not stay out two extra laps after being told to pit. The FIA had been told Leclerc was coming in straight away for repairs so probably why they didn’t give the black and orange flag. It seemed Leclerc disobeyed the team and stayed out. Like we saw Hamilton was lucky the debris didn’t hit his helmet but some of the debris got into Norris’ wheel and caused the brake temps to soar. Which pretty much ended his race. I actually think it’s a lenient penalty for Leclerc and won’t teach him anything.mikeyg123 wrote:When have we seen this? Drivers tend to keep going.Johnson wrote:His debris nearly struck Hamilton on the helmet, it also damaged Hamiltons cars sidepod wings.mikeyg123 wrote:I actually think the 10 second bit is a really inconsistent penalty. We have seen drivers continue with damaged cars for years and I can't recall anyone getting penalised for it.
Loose bodywork, you usually aren’t allowed to continue. That was the worst case of it I can remember, he continued for 2 laps after Ferrari were told to pit him. Fair penalty for me.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14655 ... amaged-car
I’m all for more lenient penalties when it comes to racing but this was just idiotic from Leclerc. The FIA have set a low bar. I’ve not been that impressed by Masi so far.TheGiantHogweed wrote:Yea you can see on this video at 1:01. A slow motion replay of Leclerc losing part of his car and it hitting Hamilton's mirror. Leclerc only a bit later loses his own mirror too. Damaging Hamilton's mirror, wrecking his own car, wrecking Norris's race, endangering loads of other cars and them having to take evasive action. 10 second penalty for this is very little indeed.Pest44 wrote:Drivers tend to continue to get back to the pits for repairs not stay out two extra laps after being told to pit. The FIA had been told Leclerc was coming in straight away for repairs so probably why they didn’t give the black and orange flag. It seemed Leclerc disobeyed the team and stayed out. Like we saw Hamilton was lucky the debris didn’t hit his helmet but some of the debris got into Norris’ wheel and caused the brake temps to soar. Which pretty much ended his race. I actually think it’s a lenient penalty for Leclerc and won’t teach him anything.mikeyg123 wrote:When have we seen this? Drivers tend to keep going.Johnson wrote:His debris nearly struck Hamilton on the helmet, it also damaged Hamiltons cars sidepod wings.mikeyg123 wrote:I actually think the 10 second bit is a really inconsistent penalty. We have seen drivers continue with damaged cars for years and I can't recall anyone getting penalised for it.
Loose bodywork, you usually aren’t allowed to continue. That was the worst case of it I can remember, he continued for 2 laps after Ferrari were told to pit him. Fair penalty for me.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14655 ... amaged-car
Same here. From what I can see Massi's let them race ethos is more a case of him sitting on the fence and hoping everything turns out OK.Pest44 wrote: I’m all for more lenient penalties when it comes to racing but this was just idiotic from Leclerc. The FIA have set a low bar. I’ve not been that impressed by Masi so far.
Exactly and it’ll come to bite him. Why wasn’t Leclerc penalised straight away for the Verstappen incident? It was clearly his fault. There was no need for it to be investigated after the raceshoot999 wrote:Same here. From what I can see Massi's let them race ethos is more a case of him sitting on the fence and hoping everything turns out OK.Pest44 wrote: I’m all for more lenient penalties when it comes to racing but this was just idiotic from Leclerc. The FIA have set a low bar. I’ve not been that impressed by Masi so far.
Leclerc wasn't penalized straight away simply because it looks like race control weren't investigating the incident.Pest44 wrote:Exactly and it’ll come to bite him. Why wasn’t Leclerc penalised straight away for the Verstappen incident? It was clearly his fault. There was no need for it to be investigated after the raceshoot999 wrote:Same here. From what I can see Massi's let them race ethos is more a case of him sitting on the fence and hoping everything turns out OK.Pest44 wrote: I’m all for more lenient penalties when it comes to racing but this was just idiotic from Leclerc. The FIA have set a low bar. I’ve not been that impressed by Masi so far.
That's the $6M question, maybe they did a quick fan poll? (sarcasm on)Jezza13 wrote:So originally the FIA said there was no investigation necessary into the Leclerc / Verstappen incident. They then decided there was.
Any word on why they changed their mind?
This all changed post Canada after the fans protested, now they're too scared to punish certain teams/drivers and then this has to filter down to other drivers, I mean how could they penalise Albon for ramming Norris off the track when they were going to deal with a more serious incident with Leclerc and Verstappen after the race.shoot999 wrote:Same here. From what I can see Massi's let them race ethos is more a case of him sitting on the fence and hoping everything turns out OK.Pest44 wrote: I’m all for more lenient penalties when it comes to racing but this was just idiotic from Leclerc. The FIA have set a low bar. I’ve not been that impressed by Masi so far.
Maybe they got a visit from a representative of a race team on behalf of the circuit owners.pokerman wrote:That's the $6M question, maybe they did a quick fan poll? (sarcasm on)Jezza13 wrote:So originally the FIA said there was no investigation necessary into the Leclerc / Verstappen incident. They then decided there was.
Any word on why they changed their mind?
I doubt it. How does Leclerc getting a penalty for help Honda. I don't think anyone would argue the penalty wasn't deserved either.Jezza13 wrote:Maybe they got a visit from a representative of a race team on behalf of the circuit owners.pokerman wrote:That's the $6M question, maybe they did a quick fan poll? (sarcasm on)Jezza13 wrote:So originally the FIA said there was no investigation necessary into the Leclerc / Verstappen incident. They then decided there was.
Any word on why they changed their mind?
I think that it shows that certain factors come into play when deciding such things other that hard and fast rules and decisions.Jezza13 wrote:Maybe they got a visit from a representative of a race team on behalf of the circuit owners.pokerman wrote:That's the $6M question, maybe they did a quick fan poll? (sarcasm on)Jezza13 wrote:So originally the FIA said there was no investigation necessary into the Leclerc / Verstappen incident. They then decided there was.
Any word on why they changed their mind?
Nominally it should have been a slam dunk penalty, there's other things in play here, it's not dissimilar to when Kimi hit Hamilton and spun him around on the opening lap of Silverstone last year, a penalty was issued within a few laps I believe?mikeyg123 wrote:I doubt it. How does Leclerc getting a penalty for help Honda. I don't think anyone would argue the penalty wasn't deserved either.Jezza13 wrote:Maybe they got a visit from a representative of a race team on behalf of the circuit owners.pokerman wrote:That's the $6M question, maybe they did a quick fan poll? (sarcasm on)Jezza13 wrote:So originally the FIA said there was no investigation necessary into the Leclerc / Verstappen incident. They then decided there was.
Any word on why they changed their mind?
TheGiantHogweed wrote:Yea you can see on this video at 1:01. A slow motion replay of Leclerc losing part of his car and it hitting Hamilton's mirror. Leclerc only a bit later loses his own mirror too. Damaging Hamilton's mirror, wrecking his own car, wrecking Norris's race, endangering loads of other cars and them having to take evasive action. 10 second penalty for this is very little indeed.Pest44 wrote:Drivers tend to continue to get back to the pits for repairs not stay out two extra laps after being told to pit. The FIA had been told Leclerc was coming in straight away for repairs so probably why they didn’t give the black and orange flag. It seemed Leclerc disobeyed the team and stayed out. Like we saw Hamilton was lucky the debris didn’t hit his helmet but some of the debris got into Norris’ wheel and caused the brake temps to soar. Which pretty much ended his race. I actually think it’s a lenient penalty for Leclerc and won’t teach him anything.mikeyg123 wrote:When have we seen this? Drivers tend to keep going.Johnson wrote:His debris nearly struck Hamilton on the helmet, it also damaged Hamiltons cars sidepod wings.mikeyg123 wrote:I actually think the 10 second bit is a really inconsistent penalty. We have seen drivers continue with damaged cars for years and I can't recall anyone getting penalised for it.
Loose bodywork, you usually aren’t allowed to continue. That was the worst case of it I can remember, he continued for 2 laps after Ferrari were told to pit him. Fair penalty for me.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14655 ... amaged-car
A few years back they would only investigate incident if demanded by some team, maybe in this case Red Bull just were a bit slow to file a complaint against Leclerc?pokerman wrote:That's the $6M question, maybe they did a quick fan poll? (sarcasm on)Jezza13 wrote:So originally the FIA said there was no investigation necessary into the Leclerc / Verstappen incident. They then decided there was.
Any word on why they changed their mind?
usually 1st lap incident penalties are more lenientmikeyg123 wrote:5 seconds for taking someone out the race...
He got off very lightly, to be honest, his actions are indefensible. He's lucky... I like Leclerc but his driving and brain failed today & he should have ended up with 3 points and maybe been black flagged.Mort Canard wrote:TheGiantHogweed wrote:Yea you can see on this video at 1:01. A slow motion replay of Leclerc losing part of his car and it hitting Hamilton's mirror. Leclerc only a bit later loses his own mirror too. Damaging Hamilton's mirror, wrecking his own car, wrecking Norris's race, endangering loads of other cars and them having to take evasive action. 10 second penalty for this is very little indeed.Pest44 wrote:Drivers tend to continue to get back to the pits for repairs not stay out two extra laps after being told to pit. The FIA had been told Leclerc was coming in straight away for repairs so probably why they didn’t give the black and orange flag. It seemed Leclerc disobeyed the team and stayed out. Like we saw Hamilton was lucky the debris didn’t hit his helmet but some of the debris got into Norris’ wheel and caused the brake temps to soar. Which pretty much ended his race. I actually think it’s a lenient penalty for Leclerc and won’t teach him anything.mikeyg123 wrote:When have we seen this? Drivers tend to keep going.Johnson wrote:
His debris nearly struck Hamilton on the helmet, it also damaged Hamiltons cars sidepod wings.
Loose bodywork, you usually aren’t allowed to continue. That was the worst case of it I can remember, he continued for 2 laps after Ferrari were told to pit him. Fair penalty for me.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14655 ... amaged-car
The fact that Leclerc's wing took off Hamilton's mirror and came so close to Lewis' head, is pretty damning against Leclerc and Ferrari's behavior.
Did Albon receive any penalty?pokerman wrote:This all changed post Canada after the fans protested, now they're too scared to punish certain teams/drivers and then this has to filter down to other drivers, I mean how could they penalise Albon for ramming Norris off the track when they were going to deal with a more serious incident with Leclerc and Verstappen after the race.shoot999 wrote:Same here. From what I can see Massi's let them race ethos is more a case of him sitting on the fence and hoping everything turns out OK.Pest44 wrote: I’m all for more lenient penalties when it comes to racing but this was just idiotic from Leclerc. The FIA have set a low bar. I’ve not been that impressed by Masi so far.
He chopped Bottas in Hungary as well.sandman1347 wrote:Like I mentioned in another thread; I think Charles felt that he got the short end of things in Austria when Max kind of shoved him off the track to take the win. Ever since then, Charles has been overly aggressive to the point of often compromising other drivers. I felt that some of his defensive moves at races like Silverstone (against Max) and Monza (against Lewis) were over the line. He forced the other drivers off the road and forced them to avoid collisions. I think it's high time he got a slap on the wrist for this type of driving.
Max contacted Rosberg's car and forced him off the track at corner 1 in Mexico 2016.Paolo_Lasardi wrote:While I agree with the penalties for Leclerc today, it was hilarious how Verstappen whined for giving him one. I mean, Verstappen who always advocates hard racing when he is on the giving side - but he instantly starts to whine when he is on the receiving end .... Verstappen is the main reason that driving like this is deemed to be acceptable nowadays by some. And just some races ago he won Austria that way ... and kept his win ...