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Should be a fun few laps
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Didn’t it just say tyre condition 70%? Why didn’t he stay out?

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Hahahaha leave him out to apparently 20% tyre life in first Stine and bring him in with 70% tyre life in second stint

Wonder how much vowles or whatever that guy's name gets paid, think he just pulls the pitstop lap numbers out a hat

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pokerman wrote:I don't understand that was Vettel even going to catch Hamilton?
This is one of the most baffling calls I've ever seen. Mercedes get too caught up trying to be fair to their drivers. They've literally sabotaged themselves to make sure the best guy wins.

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FormulaFun wrote:Hahahaha leave him out to apparently 20% tyre life in first Stine and bring him in with 70% tyre life in second stint

Wonder how much vowles or whatever that guy's name gets paid, think he just pulls the pitstop lap numbers out a hat
Great strategy, let's leave Hamilton out so he is a pitstop behind.
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For sure, Mercedes have spoiled what could have been a thrilling finale by pitting Hamilton again, and it seemed like his times were still competitive and his tyres in fair condition.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:I don't understand that was Vettel even going to catch Hamilton?
This is one of the most baffling calls I've ever seen. Mercedes get too caught up trying to be fair to their drivers. They've literally sabotaged themselves to make sure the best guy wins.
No idea, now he has to overtake the Ferrari aswell which massively faster in a straight line

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F1_Ernie wrote:Hamilton you idiot, you could have won.
It was Mercedes decision for Bottas to win.
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Is it just me or is Bottas slow in this race? Is he just managing his race in a very safe way?

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pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:Hamilton you idiot, you could have won.
It was Mercedes decision for Bottas to win.
I know that, what I mean is he should take matters into his own hands.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:I don't understand that was Vettel even going to catch Hamilton?
This is one of the most baffling calls I've ever seen. Mercedes get too caught up trying to be fair to their drivers. They've literally sabotaged themselves to make sure the best guy wins.
Indeed Hamilton now has to risk the pass on Vettel, Vowles is a joke.
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I do not trust these tyre condition graphics. I am sure Hamilton said they were worn.
Mercedes would not put one of their drivers losing a position to vettel without reason. I don't think it is to do with bottas. If Hamilton could win with what he had, he would have ignored the stop surely.
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WHO IS VOTING Leclerc AS DRIVER OF THE DAY??

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:I do not trust these tyre condition graphics. I am sure Hamilton said they were worn.
Yes this is probably the case. Hamilton was pushing on them hard for many laps. Perhaps not totally worn but not in good condition at least.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:Hamilton you idiot, you could have won.
It was Mercedes decision for Bottas to win.
I know that, what I mean is he should take matters into his own hands.
How can Vowles explain this?
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How to give away a 1-2 to appease the number 2 driver

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Johnson wrote:Ferrari are getting the benefit of the doubt and the FIA breaking so many precedents they previously set.
Definitely a poo poo call from the stewards. inconsistent, bordering on favouritism and quite transparently so. A jump start is a jump start if it's an inch or a mile, advantage gained or not. Kimi certainly didn't gain an advantage from his breach of the regs.

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Lol he can't get past the Ferrari on the straight ... Who could have predicted that

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pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:Hamilton you idiot, you could have won.
It was Mercedes decision for Bottas to win.
I know that, what I mean is he should take matters into his own hands.
How can Vowles explain this?
I gave up with him years ago, his been lucky Ferrari have been just as bad if not worse. His not someone I would trust in a close championship battle with another team.
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pokerman wrote:I don't understand that was Vettel even going to catch Hamilton?
they could have told Hamilton to let bottas by and keep 2nd cause I don't think vettel would have caught Hamilton

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FormulaFun wrote:WHO IS VOTING Leclerc AS DRIVER OF THE DAY??
With the drives of Sainz & Ricciardo? No chance
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:I do not trust these tyre condition graphics. I am sure Hamilton said they were worn.
Mercedes would not put one of their drivers losing a position to vettel without reason. I don't think it is to do with bottas. If Hamilton could win with what he had, he would have ignored the stop surely.
13 laps to go and Vettel 15 seconds back and not catching...

No way is this about getting this best result.

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Mercedes gave away a 1-2. Don't think Hamilton's tires were dead. Stupid decision.

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Johnson wrote:How to give away a 1-2 to appease the number 2 driver
How can this be explained, how is that the best result for the team, also I believe Hamilton could have run the tyres to the end even if it was a case of letting past for fairness.
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32deuce wrote:Mercedes gave away a 1-2. Don't think Hamilton's tires were dead. Stupid decision.
Pretty sure they sacraficed a 1-2 to win the CC & ensure only they could win the DC by getting the fastest lap point.
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32deuce wrote:Mercedes gave away a 1-2. Don't think Hamilton's tires were dead. Stupid decision.
Mercedes rules of engagement, the guy behind can’t run a different strategy and jump the one ahead. Stupid, they should have ordered Bottas through if they wanted him to win.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I do not trust these tyre condition graphics. I am sure Hamilton said they were worn.
Mercedes would not put one of their drivers losing a position to vettel without reason. I don't think it is to do with bottas. If Hamilton could win with what he had, he would have ignored the stop surely.
13 laps to go and Vettel 15 seconds back and not catching...

No way is this about getting this best result.
Let me introduce you to James Vowles.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I do not trust these tyre condition graphics. I am sure Hamilton said they were worn.
Mercedes would not put one of their drivers losing a position to vettel without reason. I don't think it is to do with bottas. If Hamilton could win with what he had, he would have ignored the stop surely.
13 laps to go and Vettel 15 seconds back and not catching...

No way is this about getting this best result.

Yeah I'm at least pretty sure he would have hung onto 2nd place if he'd been left out.


I have a feeling Bottas would have been able to just about get the job done on Hamilton, but who knows...

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Invade wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I do not trust these tyre condition graphics. I am sure Hamilton said they were worn.
Mercedes would not put one of their drivers losing a position to vettel without reason. I don't think it is to do with bottas. If Hamilton could win with what he had, he would have ignored the stop surely.
13 laps to go and Vettel 15 seconds back and not catching...

No way is this about getting this best result.

Yeah I'm at least pretty sure he would have hung onto 2nd place if he'd been left out.


I have a feeling Bottas would have been able to just about get the job done on Hamilton, but who knows...
I doubt it, Hamilton couldn’t pass Vettel when he was 2 seconds a lap quicker.

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Pretty poor race up front, terribly pathetic way to win seal your WCC

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Johnson wrote:
32deuce wrote:Mercedes gave away a 1-2. Don't think Hamilton's tires were dead. Stupid decision.
Mercedes rules of engagement, the guy behind can’t run a different strategy and jump the one ahead. Stupid, they should have ordered Bottas through if they wanted him to win.
Yep I just said that however I guess they have to think would Hamilton let him pass, I actually even have a feeling that Bottas would not have caught him anyway.
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Johnson wrote:
Invade wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I do not trust these tyre condition graphics. I am sure Hamilton said they were worn.
Mercedes would not put one of their drivers losing a position to vettel without reason. I don't think it is to do with bottas. If Hamilton could win with what he had, he would have ignored the stop surely.
13 laps to go and Vettel 15 seconds back and not catching...

No way is this about getting this best result.

Yeah I'm at least pretty sure he would have hung onto 2nd place if he'd been left out.


I have a feeling Bottas would have been able to just about get the job done on Hamilton, but who knows...
I doubt it, Hamilton couldn’t pass Vettel when he was 2 seconds a lap quicker.
Yeah but the Ferrari is so fast on the straights it's always very very hard to overtake them, they literally wanted bottas to win so much, and feared him not being able to overtake Hamilton on track so much, that they forfeit a 1-2

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pokerman wrote:
Johnson wrote:
32deuce wrote:Mercedes gave away a 1-2. Don't think Hamilton's tires were dead. Stupid decision.
Mercedes rules of engagement, the guy behind can’t run a different strategy and jump the one ahead. Stupid, they should have ordered Bottas through if they wanted him to win.
Yep I just said that however I guess they have to think would Hamilton let him pass, I actually even have a feeling that Bottas would not have caught him anyway.

Well this is why I was asking earlier, was Bottas just relatively slow today or performing mega management? His pace seemed very ordinary.

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pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I do not trust these tyre condition graphics. I am sure Hamilton said they were worn.
Mercedes would not put one of their drivers losing a position to vettel without reason. I don't think it is to do with bottas. If Hamilton could win with what he had, he would have ignored the stop surely.
13 laps to go and Vettel 15 seconds back and not catching...

No way is this about getting this best result.
Let me introduce you to James Vowles.
I don't think this decision is on Vowles. I don't think Mercedes made the call thinking it was the best way to get a 1-2.

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Yet again perhaps we see the reluctance to penalise Ferrari, has a car ever moved and not been penalised at the start, Verstappen gets crashed out nothing happens, Leclerc has bits flying off his car one piece that damages Hamilton's car but no instruction to pit a dangerous car.
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Excellent performance by Bottas! Really the best weekend he's had all year IMO. It's the first time in ages where he has held the upper hand over Lewis comprehensively for a weekend. He seemed to have the slight edge through practice and he indeed just edged it in qualifying. In the race, he had a great start and made the strategy work perfectly from the front. Could have put the #44 on the car and you would have had people fooled today. Excellent job.

Lackluster weekend from Lewis and it looked like a frustrating race today. Losing time behind Leclerc and Vettel ruined his race and Mercedes just don't have the speed in a straight line to overtake the Ferraris.

Speaking of Ferrari; what a disaster! Vettel threw away the lead at the start and Charles should have been penalized for taking Max out at turn 2. Within a single lap their drivers had thrown away a 1-2 start. I think they got away with murder too. No false start for Vettel!? Really? That was a blatant false start. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the rule but I thought you were not allowed to move at all at the start until the lights went out. That and no penalty for Charles for blatantly knocking Max out and then driving around littering the track with debris for several laps was just a joke. Someone needs to give Charles a penalty at this point. Ever since being shoved off at Austria; Charles has been driving over the limit IMO. He drove dangerously against Max at Silverstone and Hamilton at Monza and he drive dangerously again today. He needs a slap on the wrist at this point.

Frustrating day for Max but a solid finish for Alex. Great weekend as a whole for Alex and he has taken his biggest step yet towards solidifying himself as Red Bull's second driver for the next couple of years.

Carlos Sainz yet again delivers a good result. Midfield Driver of the Year without question at this point.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I do not trust these tyre condition graphics. I am sure Hamilton said they were worn.
Mercedes would not put one of their drivers losing a position to vettel without reason. I don't think it is to do with bottas. If Hamilton could win with what he had, he would have ignored the stop surely.
13 laps to go and Vettel 15 seconds back and not catching...

No way is this about getting this best result.
I am sure Hamilton implied he would have to pit before the end. Just before he pitted he was giving it all and will have been doing his tyres no good in traffic. He should have been able to get by vettenafter he pitted. How can we be sure vettel wouldn't have got him if Hamilton did not pit? He sounded like he said he coudn't go much further. It is surely doubtful he would have beaten vettel if that was the case.

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pokerman wrote:Yet again perhaps we see the reluctance to penalise Ferrari, has a car ever moved and not been penalised at the start, Verstappen gets crashed out nothing happens, Leclerc has bits flying off his car one piece that damages Hamilton's car but no instruction to pit a dangerous car.
I don't know why but the stewards were desperate not to penalise Ferrari today.

The only thing I can think of is the current rumblings about the 2021 regs and Ferrari's Veto..

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Bottas pretty much just said he was controlling and pushing when needed, and today that generally wasn't needed. So there you go. Lewis having to play catch-up distorts the picture, I suppose. I reckon if Bottas needed to take matters into his own hands in the end he could have done Lewis had he stayed on a 1-stopper, but we'll never know.

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Ultimate Bottas appeasement from Mercedes, but they've earned the luxury to do that. Still won the WCC, and Lewis will cheer up pretty sharpish next race when he inevitably makes it 6.

God only knows what Ferrari were playing at today, yet again...... Leclerc getting held up by the Williams on the last lap was the cherry on a bad particularly bad cake for them today.

As for the Stewarding..... a jump start is about as black and white as it gets, you've effectively opened the door for cars to move before the lights as long as you get it stopped again behind the line before they go green, very, very odd precedent to set.
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