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The race day could get affected by Super Typhoon Hagibis which will touchdown western Japan on Saturday.

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My gut says this race isn't going to happen.

Massi has proved to be super cautious thus far.

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I hope not, as me, my father and my wife have tickets...

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Perhaps if someone drew a bubble on the weather map with a sharpie then it could be diverted away for race day. :]

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Mine too. It’s not just another typhoon, but a race at the track where Bianchi had his fatal accident.

I am sure they send out the SC/VSC in more situations these days but with it being Suzuka and the recent tragic events... I don’t see it.

Interesting to see that it is Gasly losing his drive for a practice session rather than Kvyat... I read something this morning that said Helmut had said Kvyat wasn’t in the running for a return to the senior team :?

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-K- wrote:Mine too. It’s not just another typhoon, but a race at the track where Bianchi had his fatal accident.

I am sure they send out the SC/VSC in more situations these days but with it being Suzuka and the recent tragic events... I don’t see it.

Interesting to see that it is Gasly losing his drive for a practice session rather than Kvyat... I read something this morning that said Helmut had said Kvyat wasn’t in the running for a return to the senior team :?
No reason for him to be. They've tried him and no he's not good enough. He's being used as a benchmark for their other junior drivers.

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mikeyg123 wrote:My gut says this race isn't going to happen.

Massi has proved to be super cautious thus far.
Particularly at this of all races. It was due to not cancelling a Japanese GP in the face of a weather system that Bianchi's accident occurred - something that I'm quite certain the FIA has not forgotten.
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This seems to happen so often. Have they not considered moving the date of the race so that it's not during typhoon season???

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j man wrote:This seems to happen so often. Have they not considered moving the date of the race so that it's not during typhoon season???
The thing I dont get over japan being in typhoon season. Is that the race since its inception has been held in october. With the races mostly being dry. With only a couple of exceptions

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I think they need to be on their toes with this one. If there seems to be a dry enough slot on Sunday morning get the race in then.

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mikeyg123 wrote:I think they need to be on their toes with this one. If there seems to be a dry enough slot on Sunday morning get the race in then.
This isn't nascar unfortunately.

They would move the race if it ment they could realistically get the race in.

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The typhoon will either hit Suzuka on Saturday or not at all. So worst case is a postponed qualifying (unless the typhoon trashes the circuit)

This isn’t typhoon season in Japan, that’s usually the spring, the summer would be far too hot to have a race during, making this time of year the best. Unfortunately typhoons happen in Japan all the time, and ones in October tend to be big when they hit.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote: The typhoon will either hit Suzuka on Saturday or not at all. So worst case is a postponed qualifying (unless the typhoon trashes the circuit)

This isn’t typhoon season in Japan, that’s usually the spring, the summer would be far too hot to have a race during, making this time of year the best. Unfortunately typhoons happen in Japan all the time, and ones in October tend to be big when they hit.
Skip qualifying and just do reverse grid?!
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote: The typhoon will either hit Suzuka on Saturday or not at all. So worst case is a postponed qualifying (unless the typhoon trashes the circuit)

This isn’t typhoon season in Japan, that’s usually the spring, the summer would be far too hot to have a race during, making this time of year the best. Unfortunately typhoons happen in Japan all the time, and ones in October tend to be big when they hit.
Skip qualifying and just do reverse grid?!
Definitely not, also I believe there are other mechanisms in place anyway like practice times?
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pokerman wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote: The typhoon will either hit Suzuka on Saturday or not at all. So worst case is a postponed qualifying (unless the typhoon trashes the circuit)

This isn’t typhoon season in Japan, that’s usually the spring, the summer would be far too hot to have a race during, making this time of year the best. Unfortunately typhoons happen in Japan all the time, and ones in October tend to be big when they hit.
Skip qualifying and just do reverse grid?!
Definitely not, also I believe there are other mechanisms in place anyway like practice times?
Practice times or -- failing that -- championship order. IndyCar skips qualifying sometimes, and they do championship order when they do.
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Alienturnedhuman wrote: The typhoon will either hit Suzuka on Saturday or not at all. So worst case is a postponed qualifying (unless the typhoon trashes the circuit)

This isn’t typhoon season in Japan, that’s usually the spring, the summer would be far too hot to have a race during, making this time of year the best. Unfortunately typhoons happen in Japan all the time, and ones in October tend to be big when they hit.

The spring? Are you an Antipodean like me, because you might be thinking Southern hemisphere spring.
Typhoon Season. Typhoons in Japan occur the most from July to October, especially in August and September.

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Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote: The typhoon will either hit Suzuka on Saturday or not at all. So worst case is a postponed qualifying (unless the typhoon trashes the circuit)

This isn’t typhoon season in Japan, that’s usually the spring, the summer would be far too hot to have a race during, making this time of year the best. Unfortunately typhoons happen in Japan all the time, and ones in October tend to be big when they hit.
Skip qualifying and just do reverse grid?!
Definitely not, also I believe there are other mechanisms in place anyway like practice times?
Practice times or -- failing that -- championship order. IndyCar skips qualifying sometimes, and they do championship order when they do.
Yeah and I've said this before that even Indycars don't do reverse grids and this is a series supposedly much more for the show than F1 with the double points finale and SC lotteries.

I see to some extent this being an aftermath of the Hamilton/Mercedes domination and such desperation to change things that reverse grids for some becomes a viable solution.
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pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote: The typhoon will either hit Suzuka on Saturday or not at all. So worst case is a postponed qualifying (unless the typhoon trashes the circuit)

This isn’t typhoon season in Japan, that’s usually the spring, the summer would be far too hot to have a race during, making this time of year the best. Unfortunately typhoons happen in Japan all the time, and ones in October tend to be big when they hit.
Skip qualifying and just do reverse grid?!
Definitely not, also I believe there are other mechanisms in place anyway like practice times?
Practice times or -- failing that -- championship order. IndyCar skips qualifying sometimes, and they do championship order when they do.
Yeah and I've said this before that even Indycars don't do reverse grids and this is a series supposedly much more for the show than F1 with the double points finale and SC lotteries.

I see to some extent this being an aftermath of the Hamilton/Mercedes domination and such desperation to change things that reverse grids for some becomes a viable solution.
F1 has SC lotteries.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Schumacher forever#1 wrote: Skip qualifying and just do reverse grid?!
Definitely not, also I believe there are other mechanisms in place anyway like practice times?
Practice times or -- failing that -- championship order. IndyCar skips qualifying sometimes, and they do championship order when they do.
Yeah and I've said this before that even Indycars don't do reverse grids and this is a series supposedly much more for the show than F1 with the double points finale and SC lotteries.

I see to some extent this being an aftermath of the Hamilton/Mercedes domination and such desperation to change things that reverse grids for some becomes a viable solution.
F1 has SC lotteries.
Not as often and not nearly as damaging as what can happen in Indycars, for instance Indycars have more pit stops than F1 so more chance for this to happen, in F1 Leclerc loses one place and the lead to Hamilton, in Indycars the leader can find himself in the middle of the pack, the midfield can find themselves at the front of the race.
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pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote: Definitely not, also I believe there are other mechanisms in place anyway like practice times?
Practice times or -- failing that -- championship order. IndyCar skips qualifying sometimes, and they do championship order when they do.
Yeah and I've said this before that even Indycars don't do reverse grids and this is a series supposedly much more for the show than F1 with the double points finale and SC lotteries.

I see to some extent this being an aftermath of the Hamilton/Mercedes domination and such desperation to change things that reverse grids for some becomes a viable solution.
F1 has SC lotteries.
Not as often and not nearly as damaging as what can happen in Indycars, for instance Indycars have more pit stops than F1 so more chance for this to happen, in F1 Leclerc loses one place and the lead to Hamilton, in Indycars the leader can find himself in the middle of the pack, the midfield can find themselves at the front of the race.
That could well happen in F1 as well. The only reason it doesn't is because the field is less competitive.
How many times have we had different race winners due to the safety car this season? Too many.

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Merc can win the constructors this weekend. They need to get 14 more points than Ferrari this weekend to wrap it up.

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Does anyone have news on who might be taking grid penalties due to new components this weekend?
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da4an1qu1 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote: The typhoon will either hit Suzuka on Saturday or not at all. So worst case is a postponed qualifying (unless the typhoon trashes the circuit)

This isn’t typhoon season in Japan, that’s usually the spring, the summer would be far too hot to have a race during, making this time of year the best. Unfortunately typhoons happen in Japan all the time, and ones in October tend to be big when they hit.

The spring? Are you an Antipodean like me, because you might be thinking Southern hemisphere spring.
Typhoon Season. Typhoons in Japan occur the most from July to October, especially in August and September.
I asked my wife and her sister who have lived in Japan their entire lives due to being Japanese when they get the most typhoons and they said that most happen in the spring, but if typhoon happen in October then they tend to be bigger.


Saturday has been cancelled, qualifying on Sunday at 10am local (that’s the current hour here now)

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Mercs looking fast so far on Mediums vrs. Ferrari and RBR on Softs.

VB and LH about half a second up on SV and CL.
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Is everybody asleep. One of the few races that i don't have to get up at 4am. So far merc smoking the field so far. Racing Point looking interesting and mclaren right in there. It's only practise but since there will be no FP 3, FP 2 should be extra important.

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Mercedes have brought their first major upgrade package in ages to this race. I expect them to look better here than they have since the break.

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The teams are doing long runs now, if quali is cancelled this might be the grid order:
1. Bottas, 2. Hamilton, 3. Verstappen, 4. Vettel, 5. Albon, 6. Leclerc, 7. Sainz, 8. Perez, 9. Norris, 10. Kvyat, 11. Grosjean, 12. Stroll, 13. Giovinazzi, 14. Magnussen, 15. Raikkonen, 16. Ricciardo, 17. Gasly, 18. Hulkenberg, 19. Kubica, 20. Russell.

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Tried to watch it but ended up falling asleep.

Do all engine components carry the same penalty if the quota is exceeded? Is it 3 of each component allowed?

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According to an article on Sky Sports, if quali can’t go ahead on Sunday, the results of Practice 2 will determine grid order for the race. https://www.skysports.com/share/11831808

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-K- wrote:According to an article on Sky Sports, if quali can’t go ahead on Sunday, the results of Practice 2 will determine grid order for the race. https://www.skysports.com/share/11831808
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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote: Practice times or -- failing that -- championship order. IndyCar skips qualifying sometimes, and they do championship order when they do.
Yeah and I've said this before that even Indycars don't do reverse grids and this is a series supposedly much more for the show than F1 with the double points finale and SC lotteries.

I see to some extent this being an aftermath of the Hamilton/Mercedes domination and such desperation to change things that reverse grids for some becomes a viable solution.
F1 has SC lotteries.
Not as often and not nearly as damaging as what can happen in Indycars, for instance Indycars have more pit stops than F1 so more chance for this to happen, in F1 Leclerc loses one place and the lead to Hamilton, in Indycars the leader can find himself in the middle of the pack, the midfield can find themselves at the front of the race.
That could well happen in F1 as well. The only reason it doesn't is because the field is less competitive.
How many times have we had different race winners due to the safety car this season? Too many.
You don't seem to understand why it happens in Indycars, it's because they close the pit lane, the cars get bunched up under the safety car so any cars that have not pitted, when they do pit they emerge back on to the track behind all the cars that have already pitted.

Because of this what tends to happen is that once a few cars have pitted it then forces all the other cars to pit because of fears of losing out to a safety car, nominally cars running nearer the back would opt to pit a few laps earlier than optimum in the hope of a safety car.

Like I say in F1 you might lose 1 place in Indycars I've seen the leader emerge back in 9th place or even worse, it's not comparable.
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pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote: Yeah and I've said this before that even Indycars don't do reverse grids and this is a series supposedly much more for the show than F1 with the double points finale and SC lotteries.

I see to some extent this being an aftermath of the Hamilton/Mercedes domination and such desperation to change things that reverse grids for some becomes a viable solution.
F1 has SC lotteries.
Not as often and not nearly as damaging as what can happen in Indycars, for instance Indycars have more pit stops than F1 so more chance for this to happen, in F1 Leclerc loses one place and the lead to Hamilton, in Indycars the leader can find himself in the middle of the pack, the midfield can find themselves at the front of the race.
That could well happen in F1 as well. The only reason it doesn't is because the field is less competitive.
How many times have we had different race winners due to the safety car this season? Too many.
You don't seem to understand why it happens in Indycars, it's because they close the pit lane, the cars get bunched up under the safety car so any cars that have not pitted, when they do pit they emerge back on to the track behind all the cars that have already pitted.

Because of this what tends to happen is that once a few cars have pitted it then forces all the other cars to pit because of fears of losing out to a safety car, nominally cars running nearer the back would opt to pit a few laps earlier than optimum in the hope of a safety car.

Like I say in F1 you might lose 1 place in Indycars I've seen the leader emerge back in 9th place or even worse, it's not comparable.
You would see that in F1 too if the cars were closer.

We still do see it sometimes. Look at Hockenheim. Stroll would never have been anywhere near the points let alone a podium without a safety car.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote: F1 has SC lotteries.
Not as often and not nearly as damaging as what can happen in Indycars, for instance Indycars have more pit stops than F1 so more chance for this to happen, in F1 Leclerc loses one place and the lead to Hamilton, in Indycars the leader can find himself in the middle of the pack, the midfield can find themselves at the front of the race.
That could well happen in F1 as well. The only reason it doesn't is because the field is less competitive.
How many times have we had different race winners due to the safety car this season? Too many.
You don't seem to understand why it happens in Indycars, it's because they close the pit lane, the cars get bunched up under the safety car so any cars that have not pitted, when they do pit they emerge back on to the track behind all the cars that have already pitted.

Because of this what tends to happen is that once a few cars have pitted it then forces all the other cars to pit because of fears of losing out to a safety car, nominally cars running nearer the back would opt to pit a few laps earlier than optimum in the hope of a safety car.

Like I say in F1 you might lose 1 place in Indycars I've seen the leader emerge back in 9th place or even worse, it's not comparable.
You would see that in F1 too if the cars were closer.

We still do see it sometimes. Look at Hockenheim. Stroll would never have been anywhere near the points let alone a podium without a safety car.
Hockenheim was far from a normal F1 race.
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Nope. You would see it more in F1 if they CLOSED PIT LANE. They do that in Indycar, they don't in F1. That's the only difference.

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I think having the pit lane open during the safety car is reasonable. It would be very unfair if a driver due a pitstop had to wait until the safety car went in to pit. It would mean they would rejoin twenty seconds behind everyone else.

However, I see no reason why it SHOULD be open during a VSC. It makes no sense. Like Di Resta said in Russia, it's literally a free stop, and there's no logical argument against closing the pit lane during the VSC.
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Due to todays cancellation F1 are running the 2005 race 'live' on youtube. Due to start shorty. 0900 uk time. I wonder who will win?

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shoot999 wrote:Due to todays cancellation F1 are running the 2005 race 'live' on youtube. Due to start shorty. 0900 uk time. I wonder who will win?
Shame for Kimi, starling 17th will mean a tough long race for him

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Hamilton said he was going to go back to Tokyo, did he actually go?

https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status ... 35680?s=19

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