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Vettel, Albon & Sainz

Sainz or Albon. None of the top 4 did anything out of the ordinary imo.

Vettel, Albon, Verstappen, Bottas, Sainz, Lots of good driving today.

Vettel, Albon, Sainz.

Sainz just continues to churn out the results, huh..

Hamilton had monster race pace and crushed his teammate.

Vettel was a bit naughty but had serious pace.

Albon has a very real talent for racecraft.

Vettel. Had the best race pace and would've won the race if not for the mechanical failure and Ferrari's shenanigans with the pitstops.

Not sure about the votes for Albon, he struggled to make his way through the midfield and his end result owed much to the VSC. Similar for Hamilton, although he at least showed some good pace to keep up with the Ferraris in the first stint.

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Ridiculous, many more votes for Vettel than for Bottas, who in a slower car managed to hold Leclerc off.

Think about the title of the thread, not just who you support.

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Greenman wrote:.

Ridiculous, many more votes for Vettel than for Bottas, who in a slower car managed to hold Leclerc off.

Think about the title of the thread, not just who you support.

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Well, Leclerc was quicker so it seems understandable to me. Good resistance from Bottas at the end but to me it was thoroughly expected that he would hold position.

Greenman wrote:.

Ridiculous, many more votes for Vettel than for Bottas, who in a slower car managed to hold Leclerc off.

Think about the title of the thread, not just who you support.

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Vettel’s race pace before his MGU-K failure was excellent. Bottas’ race pace was a joke, as per usual. It’s not that impressive to hold behind a faster car when you have track position, dirty air does most of the work.

Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

KingVoid wrote:

Greenman wrote:.

Ridiculous, many more votes for Vettel than for Bottas, who in a slower car managed to hold Leclerc off.

Think about the title of the thread, not just who you support.

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Vettel’s race pace before his MGU-K failure was excellent. Bottas’ race pace was a joke, as per usual. It’s not that impressive to hold behind a faster car when you have track position, dirty air does most of the work.

How did you gauge race pace in the end between Ferrari and Mercedes? I basically have them tied. Ham and Vet had excellent race pace. Leclerc was pretty good and Bottas was bang average... and combining that with the tempo of the race and their respective performances, it seems they were close to equal. I believe Hamilton produced a lap 4 tenths quicker than Leclerc in going for the fastest lap, but Hamilton dropped a lot of time in the lap before to prepare the lap and his tyres would have been in better condition.. and he appeared to be quicker.

j man wrote:Vettel. Had the best race pace and would've won the race if not for the mechanical failure and Ferrari's shenanigans with the pitstops.

Not sure about the votes for Albon, he struggled to make his way through the midfield and his end result owed much to the VSC. Similar for Hamilton, although he at least showed some good pace to keep up with the Ferraris in the first stint.

Was Leclerc genuinely slower in the first stint or was he driving to the deltas dictated by Ferrari ( while Vettel desperately tried to escape his side of the start deal?

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

What was he going to defend fresh air?

Vettel was past Hamilton before he even got into Leclerc's slipstream.

Rockie wrote:

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

What was he going to defend fresh air?

Vettel was past Hamilton before he even got into Leclerc's slipstream.

Leclerc very obviously did not defend his position.
He also just confirmed No. 1 of the above in TV, including to let Vettel through - and be swapped again.

Rockie wrote:

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

What was he going to defend fresh air?

Vettel was past Hamilton before he even got into Leclerc's slipstream.

We don't know but Leclerc might have been told take the middle and Vettel will block the inside on the basis of a swap back that might be the explanation. Imagine if Leclerc protected the inside line and collected Vettel in the confusion.

Leclerc not getting DotD because he was naive enough to trust vettel, who notoriously betrays his team mates

Not giving Vettel DotD because he betrayed Leclerc and the team going back on his pre-race agreement which is always a scummy move.

Hamilton won the race in clear 2nd best car, happens relatively frequently now but shouldn't make it any less impressive. Sainz performed fantastically aswell - he is definitely the stand out driver of the whole midfield

Vettel, Sainz, K Mag. Albon seems to come alive in second half of the race but SC and tyres definitely helped him and he did a solid job as well.

Ferrari were really stupid to even think to swap the driver. Pitstop is the best way to act as if it was normal racing if they wants to swap. They are simply embarrassing themselves. In the start Hamilton in medium was always going to struggle but Vettel had a rocket start and Charles had no chance against him. He was then simply running away with it.

Option or Prime wrote:

Rockie wrote:

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

What was he going to defend fresh air?

Vettel was past Hamilton before he even got into Leclerc's slipstream.

We don't know but Leclerc might have been told take the middle and Vettel will block the inside on the basis of a swap back that might be the explanation. Imagine if Leclerc protected the inside line and collected Vettel in the confusion.

Lol you cant defend from pole in Russia, and you know this.

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

Just to add: in German TV, Binotto just confirmed 1. and 2. - but denies 3., claiming they wanted to keep Vettel out even longer to protect themselves against a SC, but he overused his tyres.

Well, ....

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:

Rockie wrote:

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

What was he going to defend fresh air?

Vettel was past Hamilton before he even got into Leclerc's slipstream.

Leclerc very obviously did not defend his position.
He also just confirmed No. 1 of the above in TV, including to let Vettel through - and be swapped again.

What was he going to defend?

Vettel was so fast off the line he did not need Hamilton's slipstream to get past him and pulled out of Leclerc's slipstream halfway down the straights.

j man wrote:Vettel. Had the best race pace and would've won the race if not for the mechanical failure and Ferrari's shenanigans with the pitstops.

Not sure about the votes for Albon, he struggled to make his way through the midfield and his end result owed much to the VSC. Similar for Hamilton, although he at least showed some good pace to keep up with the Ferraris in the first stint.

Got to agree about albon. He did a good job in the race, but nothing special for the cars ability. And he was the reason he started at the back. I bet if he had started in a more realistic position, he would have got very few or no votes despite it effectively being a better weekend. It is similar to when Verstappen starts at the back, that red bull is probably the easiest car to follow other cars and overtake with so long as it has more pace that those ahead.

Albon did what he needed to, but his first half of the race was not impressive and the safety car really helped him.

I think Vettel and Sainz are the main two I would go for. but i am thinking about Hamilton too because he seemed to have really good pace and the way he helped Bottas keep ahead of Leclerc when Leclerc had the best chance to get by was really good team work.

Rockie wrote:

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:

Rockie wrote:

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

What was he going to defend fresh air?

Vettel was past Hamilton before he even got into Leclerc's slipstream.

Leclerc very obviously did not defend his position.
He also just confirmed No. 1 of the above in TV, including to let Vettel through - and be swapped again.

What was he going to defend?

Vettel was so fast off the line he did not need Hamilton's slipstream to get past him and pulled out of Leclerc's slipstream halfway down the straights.

Well, you can call the arrangement stupid and I agree with you. Still, it was there.

If Leclerc blocked the inside line, it not clear at all who would have been the leader after the corner ...

Rockie wrote:

Option or Prime wrote:

Rockie wrote:

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

What was he going to defend fresh air?

Vettel was past Hamilton before he even got into Leclerc's slipstream.

We don't know but Leclerc might have been told take the middle and Vettel will block the inside on the basis of a swap back that might be the explanation. Imagine if Leclerc protected the inside line and collected Vettel in the confusion.

Lol you cant defend from pole in Russia, and you know this.

Which is why Ferrari devised this strategy, you seem to vigorously defend Vettel even when he is disloyal to his team mate.
In the same way that Leclerc toughened up when he got bullied on track I can see Leclerc giving Vettel less room in the future, even to the point of a few bumps. Leclerc is the future in that team.

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:

Rockie wrote:

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:

Rockie wrote:

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

What was he going to defend fresh air?

Vettel was past Hamilton before he even got into Leclerc's slipstream.

Leclerc very obviously did not defend his position.
He also just confirmed No. 1 of the above in TV, including to let Vettel through - and be swapped again.

What was he going to defend?

Vettel was so fast off the line he did not need Hamilton's slipstream to get past him and pulled out of Leclerc's slipstream halfway down the straights.

Well, you can call the arrangement stupid and I agree with you. Still, it was there.

If Leclerc blocked the inside line, it not clear at all who would have been the leader after the corner ...

Block what?

Maybe rewatch the race start.

Don't think Magnussen should be getting votes. He broke the rules and got a penalty. He also would likely have not been in the points had it not been for Vettel's issues and the incident with his team mate and the other drivers.

Rockie wrote:

Option or Prime wrote:

Rockie wrote:

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Just to get the story straight:
1. Ferrari orchestrates Vettels position gain by ordering Leclerc to give him slipstream and to not defend
2. Vettel refuses his part of the deal (to let Leclerc through again)
3. Ferrari orchestrates Leclerc ahead by the undercut.
4. Vettel's car breaks down and hands the win to Hamilton
5. Ferrari pits Leclerc again under the Russell-SC and loses also P2.

Really, no one at Ferrari looked good here. Ferrari team management - catastrophe. Vettel - no team player and no fairplay whatsoever. Leclerc - still naive after Singapore....

DOTD: Albon, Sainz, Magnussen

What was he going to defend fresh air?

Vettel was past Hamilton before he even got into Leclerc's slipstream.

We don't know but Leclerc might have been told take the middle and Vettel will block the inside on the basis of a swap back that might be the explanation. Imagine if Leclerc protected the inside line and collected Vettel in the confusion.

Lol you cant defend from pole in Russia, and you know this.

Bottas did last year though.

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Don't think Magnussen should be getting votes. He broke the rules and got a penalty. He also would likely have not been in the points had it not been for Vettel's issues and the incident with his team mate and the other drivers.

Well, he drove the new-spec (= worse) Haas specification into a points-paying position despite a penalty for a minor infringement where he did not really gained any advantage.

I don't think he was involved in the Grosjean/Giovinazzi/ Ricciardo- incident.

I thought both Alfa/Sauber drivers were weak today. Bring in Hülkenberg!

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Don't think Magnussen should be getting votes. He broke the rules and got a penalty. He also would likely have not been in the points had it not been for Vettel's issues and the incident with his team mate and the other drivers.

Well, he drove the new-spec (= worse) Haas specification into a points-paying position despite a penalty for a minor infringement where he did not really gained any advantage.

I don't think he was involved in the Grosjean/Giovinazzi/ Ricciardo- incident.

correct, he was not involved in that, but he sort of gained from other drivers missing out. I don't think he did much impressive this race other than a good start.

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:I thought both Alfa/Sauber drivers were weak today. Bring in Hülkenberg!

If i am correct, i think giovinazzi was more unlucky than poor. Kimi was terrible and lost lots of time and had a penalty, but he gained from the safety car. I think Giovinazzi was unlucky.

I think some credit should go to Kvyat to from starting where he did. Caught right up to his team mate pretty quickly without being given any real advantage and being on slower tyres. I don't think the safety car gave Kvyat any advantage either and he still finished 2 places ahead. Solid performance given how terrible his luck has been this weekend.

Vettel, Hamilton and Sainz for me. I don't see Albon's display as being particularly special, he did the bare minimum you would expect in the third quickest car although showed good overtaking skills.

Bottas delivered the archetypal Bottas performance, he wasn't decisive enough against Sainz early on and lost a lot of ground to Hamilton as a result. His defending was nothing special, I don't think he ever had to properly go defensive due to Mercedes incredible traction in sector 3. Gasly was poor, he compromised his race by battling Albon for no discernible reason other than pride.

Vettel? How?

Albon is the only driver who did something. Was a procession of a race.

ReservoirDog wrote:Vettel? How?

Albon is the only driver who did something. Was a procession of a race.

Albon got re-passed by Gasly at one point. He made some nice moves, I just don't think his display was anything special.

I don't ever recall a driver getting 'Driver of the day' when he only had completed 50% of the race. Pretty daft imo.

cmberry20 wrote:I don't ever recall a driver getting 'Driver of the day' when he only had completed 50% of the race. Pretty daft imo.

Very daft. He wasn't even leading the race at that point and people are talking like he was nailed on for the victory. I think that Hamilton was more in the race than people recognise.

TheGiantHogweed wrote:

j man wrote:Vettel. Had the best race pace and would've won the race if not for the mechanical failure and Ferrari's shenanigans with the pitstops.

Not sure about the votes for Albon, he struggled to make his way through the midfield and his end result owed much to the VSC. Similar for Hamilton, although he at least showed some good pace to keep up with the Ferraris in the first stint.

Got to agree about albon. He did a good job in the race, but nothing special for the cars ability. And he was the reason he started at the back. I bet if he had started in a more realistic position, he would have got very few or no votes despite it effectively being a better weekend. It is similar to when Verstappen starts at the back, that red bull is probably the easiest car to follow other cars and overtake with so long as it has more pace that those ahead.

Albon did what he needed to, but his first half of the race was not impressive and the safety car really helped him.

I think Vettel and Sainz are the main two I would go for. but i am thinking about Hamilton too because he seemed to have really good pace and the way he helped Bottas keep ahead of Leclerc when Leclerc had the best chance to get by was really good team work.

Albon is a great racer though. His raw pace is not that impressive yet, but his overtaking ability is much better than Kvyat or Gasly. He just needs to understand the Redbull car better, but again the guy has got tremendous race craft.

kleefton wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:

j man wrote:Vettel. Had the best race pace and would've won the race if not for the mechanical failure and Ferrari's shenanigans with the pitstops.

Not sure about the votes for Albon, he struggled to make his way through the midfield and his end result owed much to the VSC. Similar for Hamilton, although he at least showed some good pace to keep up with the Ferraris in the first stint.

Got to agree about albon. He did a good job in the race, but nothing special for the cars ability. And he was the reason he started at the back. I bet if he had started in a more realistic position, he would have got very few or no votes despite it effectively being a better weekend. It is similar to when Verstappen starts at the back, that red bull is probably the easiest car to follow other cars and overtake with so long as it has more pace that those ahead.

Albon did what he needed to, but his first half of the race was not impressive and the safety car really helped him.

I think Vettel and Sainz are the main two I would go for. but i am thinking about Hamilton too because he seemed to have really good pace and the way he helped Bottas keep ahead of Leclerc when Leclerc had the best chance to get by was really good team work.

Albon is a great racer though. His raw pace is not that impressive yet, but his overtaking ability is much better than Kvyat or Gasly. He just needs to understand the Redbull car better, but again the guy has got tremendous race craft.

Yes, Albon did create his own starting position, But that was yesterday and this is DoD, not DoD-plus-DoY*. I thint that he did a pretty commendable job today and should be in the picture.
(* yesterday - just for clarification)

kleefton wrote:

TheGiantHogweed wrote:

j man wrote:Vettel. Had the best race pace and would've won the race if not for the mechanical failure and Ferrari's shenanigans with the pitstops.

Not sure about the votes for Albon, he struggled to make his way through the midfield and his end result owed much to the VSC. Similar for Hamilton, although he at least showed some good pace to keep up with the Ferraris in the first stint.

Got to agree about albon. He did a good job in the race, but nothing special for the cars ability. And he was the reason he started at the back. I bet if he had started in a more realistic position, he would have got very few or no votes despite it effectively being a better weekend. It is similar to when Verstappen starts at the back, that red bull is probably the easiest car to follow other cars and overtake with so long as it has more pace that those ahead.

Albon did what he needed to, but his first half of the race was not impressive and the safety car really helped him.

I think Vettel and Sainz are the main two I would go for. but i am thinking about Hamilton too because he seemed to have really good pace and the way he helped Bottas keep ahead of Leclerc when Leclerc had the best chance to get by was really good team work.

Albon is a great racer though. His raw pace is not that impressive yet, but his overtaking ability is much better than Kvyat or Gasly. He just needs to understand the Redbull car better, but again the guy has got tremendous race craft.

I'm not sure. Kvyat has impressed me with his moves more than Albon this year. They both look impressive though. But Albon now has a car that is easier to do so in. And today that was because it was down to his crash that allowed him to do these moves. Not taking it away from him, he certainly looks good, but i though that when he was with Kvyat, it was Kvyat that overall looked better. The fight in Hungary was really good and Kvyat won that long battle side by side.