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The chances of safety cars are always high during the pit window, especially at Singapore. First to pit is most likely to lose out to that. The undercut was the fastest strategy with no safety car, but given the high probability of one means there were risks attached. Yes, if Hamilton had pitted first he would have won, but if there had been a safety car then then leaders would have had a free stop and fresher tyres. It was a gamble whichever way you went, and it's only the wrong or right strategy after you know what unfolded.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
What the!
What the what?
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Happy Dance. Congrats to Seb, Charles, Max.
Why were they so slow to employ the safety cars this race?

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Some real over-reactions to the Mercedes "team orders" here. Bottas had no right to be jumping Hamilton, he only had the opportunity to do so because the team were taking a gamble on Hamilton's strategy as it was their only opportunity to win the race. It was just Mercedes trying to maximise the team's result, something they have always done, and ensuring Hamilton wasn't screwed over when the gamble didn't pay off.

No unfair treatment of Bottas today, no number two status. Just the team being fair to Hamilton. Mercedes could have just pitted Hamilton first as convention dictates when he is the lead car, and settled for second. Bottas still would've been 5th.

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BMWSauber84 wrote:It's been a long time coming for Vettel and while he benefitted from the fortune of a bad strategy call for Leclerc, he is owed a win for Canada. I can kinda understand them going for a 1-2 seeing as there is no prospect of a driver's title.

The Mercedes strategy was odd. I guess they were hoping for a safety car but I can't really understand leaving Hamilton out for that long and then just putting the Hard tyre on. The mediums must have been worth a gamble especially as they had Bottas rear gunning anyway.

The other thing I don't get is the failure of Red Bull to try and use Albon for either an aggresive undercut to try and force something up front, or just have him stay out to compromise Ferrari's strategy.
Vettel is owed nothing for Canada. He threw the car off the road himself.

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Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:

- Vettel still got what it takes, he more easily overtook cars ahead than others
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
- Max was good for podium
- Charles, back to him, also overtook Giovinazzi out of the track, curve 1 and 2
- Mercedes asking a driver to slow down was very low
-You're right on the first point, although I don't think too many seriously questioned the ability of Vettel. This is one of his best tracks and he was strong and decisive in the overtakes this time around.

-Charles probably feels robbed so a bit of venting is absolutely fine. Vettel did the exact same thing in Canada when he felt robbed.

- Yes Verstappen was good in a car that probably wasn't quick enough for a podium.

-With the Gio overtake I thought Leclerc ran wide after the pass was done but admittedly haven't seen it again.

-I don't think the Merc call was low. Bottas would have been promoted to a false position due to the teams bad strategy call. They also had to protect from Albon. It's no different to deliberately giving one driver an undercut over his teammate for example.

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Asphalt_World wrote:Nice interview with Leclerc. Hope he can maintain his calm attitude outside of the car. It's refreshing. He could be seriously less happy sounding.
Having two 'mates' die while racing may have helped his perspective regarding strategy errors :uhoh:

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BMWSauber84 wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:

- Vettel still got what it takes, he more easily overtook cars ahead than others
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
- Max was good for podium
- Charles, back to him, also overtook Giovinazzi out of the track, curve 1 and 2
- Mercedes asking a driver to slow down was very low
-You're right on the first point, although I don't think too many seriously questioned the ability of Vettel. This is one of his best tracks and he was strong and decisive in the overtakes this time around.

-Charles probably feels robbed so a bit of venting is absolutely fine. Vettel did the exact same thing in Canada when he felt robbed.

- Yes Verstappen was good in a car that probably wasn't quick enough for a podium.

-With the Gio overtake I thought Leclerc ran wide after the pass was done but admittedly haven't seen it again.

-I don't think the Merc call was low. Bottas would have been promoted to a false position due to the teams bad strategy call. They also had to protect from Albon. It's no different to deliberately giving one driver an undercut over his teammate for example.
Agree on most remarks. I was mostly puzzled on how Charless put no smile at all while standing on the podium with #essereFerrari flag, there with VEttel and Ferrari representative, something that should be a memorable if not legendary picture on the podium with absolutely cold stone face.
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Lt. Drebin wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
What the!
What the what?
I have no idea how he could be called a diva by questioning why he got the worse strategy when leading the race and of course his team mate. There were no toys thrown, he had a sensible interview as he got out of the car and just said on Sky that if that was the only way to get a Ferrari 1-2, he's happy with the tactics they used.
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Lt. Drebin wrote:
BMWSauber84 wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:

- Vettel still got what it takes, he more easily overtook cars ahead than others
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
- Max was good for podium
- Charles, back to him, also overtook Giovinazzi out of the track, curve 1 and 2
- Mercedes asking a driver to slow down was very low
-You're right on the first point, although I don't think too many seriously questioned the ability of Vettel. This is one of his best tracks and he was strong and decisive in the overtakes this time around.

-Charles probably feels robbed so a bit of venting is absolutely fine. Vettel did the exact same thing in Canada when he felt robbed.

- Yes Verstappen was good in a car that probably wasn't quick enough for a podium.

-With the Gio overtake I thought Leclerc ran wide after the pass was done but admittedly haven't seen it again.

-I don't think the Merc call was low. Bottas would have been promoted to a false position due to the teams bad strategy call. They also had to protect from Albon. It's no different to deliberately giving one driver an undercut over his teammate for example.
Agree on most remarks. I was mostly puzzled on how Charless put no smile at all while standing on the podium with #essereFerrari flag, there with VEttel and Ferrari representative, something that should be a memorable if not legendary picture on the podium with absolutely cold stone face.
He's understandably upset at how the race was lost. Deep down, regardless of whatever pleasantries they spout to the media, none of the top drivers really give two hoots about the team they drive for and see the team merely as a tool to help them achieve their own ambition of winning the WDC.

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Hamilton saying he always wanted to go for the undercut, Mercedes need to start being more aggressive, relying on Hamiltons race pace and tyre management wont work every race, especially on a track you can't overtake.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
What the!
What the what?
I have no idea how he could be called a diva by questioning why he got the worse strategy when leading the race and of course his team mate. There were no toys thrown, he had a sensible interview as he got out of the car and just said on Sky that if that was the only way to get a Ferrari 1-2, he's happy with the tactics they used.
OK, but in my understanding he was concentrating on his emotions rather than race to the point that his race engineer needed to turn his back to the driving. Also, as I said, he got a cold stone face on the podium with Ferrari flag, something that he should work on. That's all, and I did not called him "diva" but if he will continue to be overly emotional, he might become one. He has a work to do for sure.
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Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:

- Vettel still got what it takes, he more easily overtook cars ahead than others
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
- Max was good for podium
- Charles, back to him, also overtook Giovinazzi out of the track, curve 1 and 2
- Mercedes asking a driver to slow down was very low
Haha, leclerc was absolutely NOT a diva. He was very very reserved and had a right to be a hell of lot more p'd off than he was letting on to.

If you want to watch someone be a diva watch vettel after he got his deserved penalty in Canada

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FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:

- Vettel still got what it takes, he more easily overtook cars ahead than others
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
- Max was good for podium
- Charles, back to him, also overtook Giovinazzi out of the track, curve 1 and 2
- Mercedes asking a driver to slow down was very low
Haha, leclerc was absolutely NOT a diva. He was very very reserved and had a right to be a hell of lot more p'd off than he was letting on to.

If you want to watch someone be a diva watch vettel after he got his deserved penalty in Canada
I absolutely did not say he was a diva, so calm down.
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Solid race for Ferrari - questions about that Vettel undercut - but ultimately without it, I doubt they would have got a 1-2. Once Merc were in 3rd place effectively in the pitstop rotation they threw a hail mary by keeping Hamilton out longer. If they kept him out another 5 or 6 laps even though he would have lost lap time a safety car could have still salvaged a podium. Oh well.

Great to see Vettel prove all the doubters and tombstone writers wrong! He's got some years in him yet and is 10X better than Raikkonen. Ferrari has the strongest driver pairing at the moment. Bottas is...Bottas. And Albon will take some time to marinate.

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shay550 wrote:Solid race for Ferrari - questions about that Vettel undercut - but ultimately without it, I doubt they would have got a 1-2. Once Merc were in 3rd place effectively in the pitstop rotation they threw a hail mary by keeping Hamilton out longer. If they kept him out another 5 or 6 laps even though he would have lost lap time a safety car could have still salvaged a podium. Oh well.

Great to see Vettel prove all the doubters and tombstone writers wrong! He's got some years in him yet and is 10X better than Raikkonen. Ferrari has the strongest driver pairing at the moment. Bottas is...Bottas. And Albon will take some time to marinate.
He didn't need to prove anything and it doesn't answer anything. The result is typical of street tracks where unusual results can happen. If u look at the drivers' pace, Vettel is still behind Leclerc and Hamilton. Looking at his reaction post race, while happy, it's also quite muted compared to what we've seen before.

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Lt. Drebin wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
What the!
What the what?
I have no idea how he could be called a diva by questioning why he got the worse strategy when leading the race and of course his team mate. There were no toys thrown, he had a sensible interview as he got out of the car and just said on Sky that if that was the only way to get a Ferrari 1-2, he's happy with the tactics they used.
OK, but in my understanding he was concentrating on his emotions rather than race to the point that his race engineer needed to turn his back to the driving. Also, as I said, he got a cold stone face on the podium with Ferrari flag, something that he should work on. That's all, and I did not called him "diva" but if he will continue to be overly emotional, he might become one. He has a work to do for sure.
no one is as stone cold as Kimi lol

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trento wrote:
shay550 wrote:Solid race for Ferrari - questions about that Vettel undercut - but ultimately without it, I doubt they would have got a 1-2. Once Merc were in 3rd place effectively in the pitstop rotation they threw a hail mary by keeping Hamilton out longer. If they kept him out another 5 or 6 laps even though he would have lost lap time a safety car could have still salvaged a podium. Oh well.

Great to see Vettel prove all the doubters and tombstone writers wrong! He's got some years in him yet and is 10X better than Raikkonen. Ferrari has the strongest driver pairing at the moment. Bottas is...Bottas. And Albon will take some time to marinate.
He didn't need to prove anything and it doesn't answer anything. The result is typical of street tracks where unusual results can happen. If u look at the drivers' pace, Vettel is still behind Leclerc and Hamilton. Looking at his reaction post race, while happy, it's also quite muted compared to what we've seen before.
Point is Vettel is a better #2 than Raikkonen. Hope Vettel doesn't listen to pundits or retire early over his pride.

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j man wrote:Some real over-reactions to the Mercedes "team orders" here. Bottas had no right to be jumping Hamilton, he only had the opportunity to do so because the team were taking a gamble on Hamilton's strategy as it was their only opportunity to win the race. It was just Mercedes trying to maximise the team's result, something they have always done, and ensuring Hamilton wasn't screwed over when the gamble didn't pay off.

No unfair treatment of Bottas today, no number two status. Just the team being fair to Hamilton. Mercedes could have just pitted Hamilton first as convention dictates when he is the lead car, and settled for second. Bottas still would've been 5th.
it's not unfair simply for the reason Hamilton needed max points as he's in the hunt for the WDC. All things equal, it could still be an unfair call.

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shay550 wrote:
trento wrote:
shay550 wrote:Solid race for Ferrari - questions about that Vettel undercut - but ultimately without it, I doubt they would have got a 1-2. Once Merc were in 3rd place effectively in the pitstop rotation they threw a hail mary by keeping Hamilton out longer. If they kept him out another 5 or 6 laps even though he would have lost lap time a safety car could have still salvaged a podium. Oh well.

Great to see Vettel prove all the doubters and tombstone writers wrong! He's got some years in him yet and is 10X better than Raikkonen. Ferrari has the strongest driver pairing at the moment. Bottas is...Bottas. And Albon will take some time to marinate.
He didn't need to prove anything and it doesn't answer anything. The result is typical of street tracks where unusual results can happen. If u look at the drivers' pace, Vettel is still behind Leclerc and Hamilton. Looking at his reaction post race, while happy, it's also quite muted compared to what we've seen before.
Point is Vettel is a better #2 than Raikkonen. Hope Vettel doesn't listen to pundits or retire early over his pride.
I think he will if there's no WDC by the end of his contract.

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Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:

- Vettel still got what it takes, he more easily overtook cars ahead than others
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
- Max was good for podium
- Charles, back to him, also overtook Giovinazzi out of the track, curve 1 and 2
- Mercedes asking a driver to slow down was very low
Haha, leclerc was absolutely NOT a diva. He was very very reserved and had a right to be a hell of lot more p'd off than he was letting on to.

If you want to watch someone be a diva watch vettel after he got his deserved penalty in Canada
I absolutely did not say he was a diva, so calm down.
You're right I always start angry posts with haha.

You've got a keen eye for emotion obviously. Point is why question leclerc displeasure at being screwed out of a win. Why would you expect him to be happy? Really really odd

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FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:

- Vettel still got what it takes, he more easily overtook cars ahead than others
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
- Max was good for podium
- Charles, back to him, also overtook Giovinazzi out of the track, curve 1 and 2
- Mercedes asking a driver to slow down was very low
Haha, leclerc was absolutely NOT a diva. He was very very reserved and had a right to be a hell of lot more p'd off than he was letting on to.

If you want to watch someone be a diva watch vettel after he got his deserved penalty in Canada
I absolutely did not say he was a diva, so calm down.
You're right I always start angry posts with haha.

You've got a keen eye for emotion obviously. Point is why question leclerc displeasure at being screwed out of a win. Why would you expect him to be happy? Really really odd
Actually, I expected some reaction, but judging on the post race photo, he just let emotions got better on him as he put a cold stone face on something that should be an icon frozen in time, something that I should put behind a Ferrari model car behind glass in my room. So, opportunity lost. But then, I understand both him and his fans as he held position one until rubber was changed. Then also, he was not as good as Vettel in lapping people, so it's an equalizer on the end which turned on the other, Vettel's side. Like when a football match ends in penalty shootout.
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F1_Ernie wrote:Hamilton saying he always wanted to go for the undercut, Mercedes need to start being more aggressive, relying on Hamiltons race pace and tyre management wont work every race, especially on a track you can't overtake.
It was an absolute no man's land strategy call. Once he pitted I can't believe they didn't try him on the medium tyre.

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Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:A few impressions:

- Vettel still got what it takes, he more easily overtook cars ahead than others
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
- Max was good for podium
- Charles, back to him, also overtook Giovinazzi out of the track, curve 1 and 2
- Mercedes asking a driver to slow down was very low
Haha, leclerc was absolutely NOT a diva. He was very very reserved and had a right to be a hell of lot more p'd off than he was letting on to.

If you want to watch someone be a diva watch vettel after he got his deserved penalty in Canada
I absolutely did not say he was a diva, so calm down.
You're right I always start angry posts with haha.

You've got a keen eye for emotion obviously. Point is why question leclerc displeasure at being screwed out of a win. Why would you expect him to be happy? Really really odd
Actually, I expected some reaction, but judging on the post race photo, he just let emotions got better on him as he put a cold stone face on something that should be an icon frozen in time, something that I should put behind a Ferrari model car behind glass in my room. So, opportunity lost. But then, I understand both him and his fans as he held position one until rubber was changed. Then also, he was not as good as Vettel in lapping people, so it's an equalizer on the end which turned on the other, Vettel's side. Like when a football match ends in penalty shootout.
What are you actually even talking about? You want him to just be fake? For the media? No thanks. I prefer the drivers to be real.

Vettel was not better than leclerc today, he just got handed the win through better strategy. You won't accept that being a vettel fan you have to cling onto every victory nowadays but reality is vettel would not have won if they putted leclerc first

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FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Haha, leclerc was absolutely NOT a diva. He was very very reserved and had a right to be a hell of lot more p'd off than he was letting on to.

If you want to watch someone be a diva watch vettel after he got his deserved penalty in Canada
I absolutely did not say he was a diva, so calm down.
You're right I always start angry posts with haha.

You've got a keen eye for emotion obviously. Point is why question leclerc displeasure at being screwed out of a win. Why would you expect him to be happy? Really really odd
Actually, I expected some reaction, but judging on the post race photo, he just let emotions got better on him as he put a cold stone face on something that should be an icon frozen in time, something that I should put behind a Ferrari model car behind glass in my room. So, opportunity lost. But then, I understand both him and his fans as he held position one until rubber was changed. Then also, he was not as good as Vettel in lapping people, so it's an equalizer on the end which turned on the other, Vettel's side. Like when a football match ends in penalty shootout.
What are you actually even talking about? You want him to just be fake? For the media? No thanks. I prefer the drivers to be real.

Vettel was not better than leclerc today, he just got handed the win through better strategy. You won't accept that being a vettel fan you have to cling onto every victory nowadays but reality is vettel would not have won if they putted leclerc first
I need not fake smiles, just acceptance of fate. It happened that way. Nothing can be done, and I don't think that it was orchestrated as, to my view, no one knew that this strategy will surely work, else Mercedes would first bring Hamilton in, not Bottas, and then ask him to slow down because that strategy was faster. But, if Leclerc got first to pits, he would surely won, and Vettel won't. So you see, I accept it. :)
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Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote: I absolutely did not say he was a diva, so calm down.
You're right I always start angry posts with haha.

You've got a keen eye for emotion obviously. Point is why question leclerc displeasure at being screwed out of a win. Why would you expect him to be happy? Really really odd
Actually, I expected some reaction, but judging on the post race photo, he just let emotions got better on him as he put a cold stone face on something that should be an icon frozen in time, something that I should put behind a Ferrari model car behind glass in my room. So, opportunity lost. But then, I understand both him and his fans as he held position one until rubber was changed. Then also, he was not as good as Vettel in lapping people, so it's an equalizer on the end which turned on the other, Vettel's side. Like when a football match ends in penalty shootout.
What are you actually even talking about? You want him to just be fake? For the media? No thanks. I prefer the drivers to be real.

Vettel was not better than leclerc today, he just got handed the win through better strategy. You won't accept that being a vettel fan you have to cling onto every victory nowadays but reality is vettel would not have won if they putted leclerc first
I need not fake smiles, just acceptance of fate. It happened that way. Nothing can be done, and I don't think that it was orchestrated as, to my view, no one knew that this strategy will surely work, else Mercedes would first bring Hamilton in, not Bottas, and then ask him to slow down because that strategy was faster. But, if Leclerc got first to pits, he would surely won, and Vettel won't. So you see, I accept it. :)
Lol, like vettel in Canada?
So him not smiling is his emotion getting the better of him, but vettel literally storming off the track is not? Amazing

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A well working mid season upgrade package and great strategic calls during the race... What is up with Ferrari?

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FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
You're right I always start angry posts with haha.

You've got a keen eye for emotion obviously. Point is why question leclerc displeasure at being screwed out of a win. Why would you expect him to be happy? Really really odd
Actually, I expected some reaction, but judging on the post race photo, he just let emotions got better on him as he put a cold stone face on something that should be an icon frozen in time, something that I should put behind a Ferrari model car behind glass in my room. So, opportunity lost. But then, I understand both him and his fans as he held position one until rubber was changed. Then also, he was not as good as Vettel in lapping people, so it's an equalizer on the end which turned on the other, Vettel's side. Like when a football match ends in penalty shootout.
What are you actually even talking about? You want him to just be fake? For the media? No thanks. I prefer the drivers to be real.

Vettel was not better than leclerc today, he just got handed the win through better strategy. You won't accept that being a vettel fan you have to cling onto every victory nowadays but reality is vettel would not have won if they putted leclerc first
I need not fake smiles, just acceptance of fate. It happened that way. Nothing can be done, and I don't think that it was orchestrated as, to my view, no one knew that this strategy will surely work, else Mercedes would first bring Hamilton in, not Bottas, and then ask him to slow down because that strategy was faster. But, if Leclerc got first to pits, he would surely won, and Vettel won't. So you see, I accept it. :)
Lol, like vettel in Canada?
So him not smiling is his emotion getting the better of him, but vettel literally storming off the track is not? Amazing
So you make no difference between events? Vettel being robbed by stewards was condemned by the greatest F1 champions and many others. This, won't be, because it is not comparable. So, for the third time, calm down, please.
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Am I missing something. Is Leclerc the first to be a little disappointed on the podium and not manage to do much smiling?
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Asphalt_World wrote:Am I missing something. Is Leclerc the first to be a little disappointed on the podium and not manage to do much smiling?
It's something to do with it failing to make a good photo behind replica cars now last time I looked.

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BMWSauber84 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:Am I missing something. Is Leclerc the first to be a little disappointed on the podium and not manage to do much smiling?
It's something to do with it failing to make a good photo behind replica cars now last time I looked.
Low punch bro.
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Covalent wrote:A well working mid season upgrade package and great strategic calls during the race... What is up with Ferrari?
:D :thumbup:

If ever there was a race which could demonstrate how good F1 might be without radio contact between teams and drivers, and without sport-killing misson control centres getting in the way of thinking drivers, this was one of the top contenders. Add to that the SC periods and I could have spent my afternoon a lot better than following what used to be my favourite "sport". Goodness, I've seen Lauda and Prost think races through, what makes the powers that be so sure today's divas can't?
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Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote: Actually, I expected some reaction, but judging on the post race photo, he just let emotions got better on him as he put a cold stone face on something that should be an icon frozen in time, something that I should put behind a Ferrari model car behind glass in my room. So, opportunity lost. But then, I understand both him and his fans as he held position one until rubber was changed. Then also, he was not as good as Vettel in lapping people, so it's an equalizer on the end which turned on the other, Vettel's side. Like when a football match ends in penalty shootout.
What are you actually even talking about? You want him to just be fake? For the media? No thanks. I prefer the drivers to be real.

Vettel was not better than leclerc today, he just got handed the win through better strategy. You won't accept that being a vettel fan you have to cling onto every victory nowadays but reality is vettel would not have won if they putted leclerc first
I need not fake smiles, just acceptance of fate. It happened that way. Nothing can be done, and I don't think that it was orchestrated as, to my view, no one knew that this strategy will surely work, else Mercedes would first bring Hamilton in, not Bottas, and then ask him to slow down because that strategy was faster. But, if Leclerc got first to pits, he would surely won, and Vettel won't. So you see, I accept it. :)
Lol, like vettel in Canada?
So him not smiling is his emotion getting the better of him, but vettel literally storming off the track is not? Amazing
So you make no difference between events? Vettel being robbed by stewards was condemned by the greatest F1 champions and many others. This, won't be, because it is not comparable. So, for the third time, calm down, please.
Guy please... Why are you repeatedly telling me to calm down, are you trying to power pose me over the internet or something?

Were talking about drivers letting their emotion getting the better of them, you're saying that leclerc not smiling on the podium equates to leclerc being emotionally weak and out of control and that he must learn not to do that or he's a diva - he should accept reality. then when I say vettel didn't control his emotions you tell me calm down. Am I comparing the penalty Vs the strat call? No. You went on a tangent.

You're obviously a little bit giddy from your man winning a race so I'll just put it down to hysteria - but if you keep making posts like this I'm gonna have to recommend you see a doctor

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Enough.

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Mod Yellow wrote:Enough.
:lol:

That's the most 'dad' way of telling people on a forum to settle down, I've ever read :lol:
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If it was almost anywhere but Singapore, Charles wouldn't have been able to back everyone up.

Lewis would probably have won through better tyre life.

Some strange strategy calls, and it wasn't a classic race, but the Ferrari driver dynamic will be very interesting in the coming races.
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It's always rough watching a race where you really know that overtaking is just not possible among the top cars. This was a strategy race and Sebastian is the only guy who got the best strategy (the undercut). Max benefited as well but what a poor showing by the Mercedes pit-wall. I really thought Hamilton should have been the guy to go for the undercut because there was no way that anyone was overtaking a Ferrari on this narrow track. I suppose Merc would have looked like geniuses had there been a safety car earlier in the race and you assume that the pit stops would be the likely time where a safety car would be triggered but Merc came up empty-handed on strategy today. This is the type of race where it really sinks in how difficult overtaking can be at some circuits in modern F1. Almost fell asleep today.

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On a side note; Charles should be absolutely livid. Why is it that Ferrari consistently give Vettel the undercut? It's got to be infuriating at this point as Charles has clearly been performing better.

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sandman1347 wrote:On a side note; Charles should be absolutely livid. Why is it that Ferrari consistently give Vettel the undercut? It's got to be infuriating at this point as Charles has clearly been performing better.
Exactly. And Leclerc is also ahead in the wdc. Still, Ferrari keeps favoring Vettel strategy-wise ...

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