Driver(s) of the Day - 2019 Italian Grand Prix
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:29 pm
For me,
Leclerc, Ricciardo & Perez
Leclerc, Ricciardo & Perez
Drove 53 laps under almost constant pressure from Hamilton and then Bottas.Greenman wrote:.
Again !
Why do people vote for the person who leads from the front in the fastest car - that is not a way to choose a "driver of the day".
What did Leclerc do to earn that accolade.
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Many involved in the sport, including the boss of Mercedes F1, have said that they believe that the Mercedes was the faster race car today.Greenman wrote:.
Again !
Why do people vote for the person who leads from the front in the fastest car - that is not a way to choose a "driver of the day".
What did Leclerc do to earn that accolade.
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Won in the second fastest carGreenman wrote:.
Again !
Why do people vote for the person who leads from the front in the fastest car - that is not a way to choose a "driver of the day".
What did Leclerc do to earn that accolade.
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Adsorbed pressure from the very best in the game for almost the entire race. I thought it was a terrific win.Greenman wrote:.
Again !
Why do people vote for the person who leads from the front in the fastest car - that is not a way to choose a "driver of the day".
What did Leclerc do to earn that accolade.
.
He could have been penalised for any one of his three transgressions.mikeyg123 wrote:Adsorbed pressure from the very best in the game for almost the entire race. I thought it was a terrific win.Greenman wrote:.
Again !
Why do people vote for the person who leads from the front in the fastest car - that is not a way to choose a "driver of the day".
What did Leclerc do to earn that accolade.
.
He didn't do anything that usually receives a penalty.Laz_T800 wrote:He could have been penalised for any one of his three transgressions.mikeyg123 wrote:Adsorbed pressure from the very best in the game for almost the entire race. I thought it was a terrific win.Greenman wrote:.
Again !
Why do people vote for the person who leads from the front in the fastest car - that is not a way to choose a "driver of the day".
What did Leclerc do to earn that accolade.
.
For me he should have ended up third.
If he was racing Verstappen today that ridiculous squeeze could have ended in a big accident.
Luckily for both drivers that Hamilton has a championship on the line.
After the warning the other issues should have been penalised. What was the point of the warning if you just give him another warning?mikeyg123 wrote:He didn't do anything that usually receives a penalty.Laz_T800 wrote:He could have been penalised for any one of his three transgressions.mikeyg123 wrote:Adsorbed pressure from the very best in the game for almost the entire race. I thought it was a terrific win.Greenman wrote:.
Again !
Why do people vote for the person who leads from the front in the fastest car - that is not a way to choose a "driver of the day".
What did Leclerc do to earn that accolade.
.
For me he should have ended up third.
If he was racing Verstappen today that ridiculous squeeze could have ended in a big accident.
Luckily for both drivers that Hamilton has a championship on the line.
mikeyg123 wrote:Adsorbed pressure from the very best in the game for almost the entire race. I thought it was a terrific win.Greenman wrote:.
Again !
Why do people vote for the person who leads from the front in the fastest car - that is not a way to choose a "driver of the day".
What did Leclerc do to earn that accolade.
.
1. Because we all have our own opinionsGreenman wrote:.
Again !
Why do people vote for the person who leads from the front in the fastest car - that is not a way to choose a "driver of the day".
What did Leclerc do to earn that accolade.
.
That's a fair point. Stroll's race was initially compromised through no fault of his own, though he did himself no favours with the manner in which he got going again. It's a shame, as he tends to do well here (albeit over a short career, to date!).TheGiantHogweed wrote:I think Perez is being a bit over rated, or at least the other way round for Stroll. Stroll got damage, got his strategy ruined. He did do something wrong, which got him a drive through, but only finished around 25 seconds behind Perez. he also had an excellent start and looked good in qualifying. His pace if I'm honest was as good or better than perez today given he got damage at the start. He had a pit stop and a drive through compared to just 1 stop for Perez. And drove for quite a bit of time with damage and wasn't really slower than Perez. And finished just over 1 pit stop ahead despite all that. He obviously also lost a load of time when he got knocked into a spin, then in the pits.
I think I would rate Stroll over Perez in the team mate wars anyway. i know it was not Perez's fault in qualifying, but Stroll looked good in qualifying. And did again in the race. He made a mistake but only because vettel caused the situation in the first place. But pace wise, he certainly seemed matched or slightly better than Perez given the cirsumstances.
Maybe he's driver of the day but not close to driver of the year.Jezza13 wrote:Leclerc & both Renault boys for me.
Today just re-enforced my belief that Leclerc is the driver of the year up to this point. Brilliant drive under relentless pressure. A few dodgy moves & & error or two but considering the pressure he was under, not only from Mercedes but also leading at Monza in a Ferrari 19 months into his F1 career, that was a drive for the ages.
Both Renault drivers capitalized on their opportunity to bag a haul of points in a steady drive.
Indeed the warning had no teeth to it.Laz_T800 wrote:After the warning the other issues should have been penalised. What was the point of the warning if you just give him another warning?mikeyg123 wrote:He didn't do anything that usually receives a penalty.Laz_T800 wrote:He could have been penalised for any one of his three transgressions.mikeyg123 wrote:Adsorbed pressure from the very best in the game for almost the entire race. I thought it was a terrific win.Greenman wrote:.
Again !
Why do people vote for the person who leads from the front in the fastest car - that is not a way to choose a "driver of the day".
What did Leclerc do to earn that accolade.
.
For me he should have ended up third.
If he was racing Verstappen today that ridiculous squeeze could have ended in a big accident.
Luckily for both drivers that Hamilton has a championship on the line.
He drove dirty today and people are eating it up.
Pretty sure he'll drive dirty all the time now, no reason not to.
Couple of things Mate on this.TheGiantHogweed wrote:I think Perez is being a bit over rated, or at least the other way round for Stroll. Stroll got damage, got his strategy ruined. He did do something wrong, which got him a drive through, but only finished around 25 seconds behind Perez. he also had an excellent start and looked good in qualifying. His pace if I'm honest was as good or better than perez today given he got damage at the start. He had a pit stop and a drive through compared to just 1 stop for Perez. And drove for quite a bit of time with damage and wasn't really slower than Perez. And finished just over 1 pit stop ahead despite all that. He obviously also lost a load of time when he got knocked into a spin, then in the pits.
I think I would rate Stroll over Perez in the team mate wars anyway. i know it was not Perez's fault in qualifying, but Stroll looked good in qualifying. And did again in the race. He made a mistake but only because vettel caused the situation in the first place. But pace wise, he certainly seemed matched or slightly better than Perez given the cirsumstances.
Oh ok.pokerman wrote:Maybe he's driver of the day but not close to driver of the year.Jezza13 wrote:Leclerc & both Renault boys for me.
Today just re-enforced my belief that Leclerc is the driver of the year up to this point. Brilliant drive under relentless pressure. A few dodgy moves & & error or two but considering the pressure he was under, not only from Mercedes but also leading at Monza in a Ferrari 19 months into his F1 career, that was a drive for the ages.
Both Renault drivers capitalized on their opportunity to bag a haul of points in a steady drive.
Your post is highly contradictory and betrays either an attempt to spin things to push forwards a particular narrative or a fundamental lack of understanding of the sport.TheGiantHogweed wrote:Think I would just go for Leclerc and Ricciardo.
Don't understand the votes for Hamilton. Why should he be given votes for putting pressure on Leclerc - which led to not getting passed and making a mistake which let Bottas through?People implying Bottas's attempt was useless in comparison should consider that Leclerc had DRS every time Bottas had a chance. Earlier on when Hamilton was on younger tyres than Bottas at this stage, he failed to get by even when Leclerc had no tow. Both Hamilton and Bottas made mistakes, but Hamilton a bigger one. Yes he had more laps close to Leclerc, but he didn't seem to back off and try again closer to the end which is the smart move he often tries. Instead he wrecked them. The pressure he put on Leclerc seems to be what is triggering the votes when it is that that let to Bottas beating him. I don't think Bottas will have got by if Hamilton didn't do this. He even finished 34 seconds behind Bottas which is a fair bit more than the time it takes for a pit stop.Don't think the strategy game Bottas I know I am a Bottas fan and I'm not voting for him myself, butjust don't understand why Hamilton has more votes when he put himself in trouble by following Leclerc closely for too long.
That's true and something I missed. Russell drove a great race.mcdo wrote:Leclerc is my obvious vote. I was certain he was screwed in the strategy game once Vettel binned it. Didn't just hold off one Merc, he held off two. In years to come when we're looking back at his list of greatest race wins, this one will be the first entry on the list
Perez for going from 18th to 7th. Considering the fact he's in a Racing Point and finished ahead of Max coming from the back in a Red Bull. Fantastic performance
And I'm going to go off the beaten track and vote Russell. 14th place ahead of Kimi, Grosjean, his teammate and trying to fend off Vettel in the closing stages. It's those kinds of drives that had Alonso turning heads in his Minardi days
TheGiantHogweed wrote:Think I would just go for Leclerc and Ricciardo.
Don't understand the votes for Hamilton. Why should he be given votes for putting pressure on Leclerc - which led to not getting passed and making a mistake which let Bottas through? People implying Bottas's attempt was useless in comparison should consider that Leclerc had DRS every time Bottas had a chance. Earlier on when Hamilton was on younger tyres than Bottas at this stage, he failed to get by even when Leclerc had no tow. Both Hamilton and Bottas made mistakes, but Hamilton a bigger one. Yes he had more laps close to Leclerc, but he didn't seem to back off and try again closer to the end which is the smart move he often tries. Instead he wrecked them. The pressure he put on Leclerc seems to be what is triggering the votes when it is that that let to Bottas beating him. I don't think Bottas will have got by if Hamilton didn't do this. He even finished 34 seconds behind Bottas which is a fair bit more than the time it takes for a pit stop. Don't think the strategy game Bottas I know I am a Bottas fan and I'm not voting for him myself, but just don't understand why Hamilton has more votes when he put himself in trouble by following Leclerc closely for too long.
He had to make no mistakes for 53 laps with an all-time great driver less than a second behind him. And on top of that, Hamilton was close enough to attack several times. It was far from the walk in park victory you make it sound.Greenman wrote:Leclerc was in a car that could go faster than either Mercedes even if they had DRS !
How is "holding off" the Mercedes a driver's accomplishment ?
Both Mercedes were on better tyres. We also saw Hamilton gain on the straights multiple times when close enough to get slipstream + drs.Greenman wrote:Leclerc was in a car that could go faster than either Mercedes even if they had DRS !
How is "holding off" the Mercedes a driver's accomplishment ?
Are worn out tyres a handicap on the straight then, isn't it about grip in the corners that makes a car vulnerable?Black_Flag_11 wrote:Both Mercedes were on better tyres. We also saw Hamilton gain on the straights multiple times when close enough to get slipstream + drs.Greenman wrote:Leclerc was in a car that could go faster than either Mercedes even if they had DRS !
How is "holding off" the Mercedes a driver's accomplishment ?
Leclerc had to hold faster cars off for the rest of the lap so that he had enough of a gap on the straights, something he largely did by being pretty much inch perfect at Parabolica lap after lap.
It can make a huge difference on the straight because of the traction out of the previous corner on badly worn tyres is much poorer. Bad traction out of the first chicane will cost you time all the way down the straight to the next braking zone.Option or Prime wrote:Are worn out tyres a handicap on the straight then, isn't it about grip in the corners that makes a car vulnerable?Black_Flag_11 wrote:Both Mercedes were on better tyres. We also saw Hamilton gain on the straights multiple times when close enough to get slipstream + drs.Greenman wrote:Leclerc was in a car that could go faster than either Mercedes even if they had DRS !
How is "holding off" the Mercedes a driver's accomplishment ?
Leclerc had to hold faster cars off for the rest of the lap so that he had enough of a gap on the straights, something he largely did by being pretty much inch perfect at Parabolica lap after lap.
Do you want me to list all his mistakes and all the times that Vettel had him beaten?Jezza13 wrote:Oh ok.pokerman wrote:Maybe he's driver of the day but not close to driver of the year.Jezza13 wrote:Leclerc & both Renault boys for me.
Today just re-enforced my belief that Leclerc is the driver of the year up to this point. Brilliant drive under relentless pressure. A few dodgy moves & & error or two but considering the pressure he was under, not only from Mercedes but also leading at Monza in a Ferrari 19 months into his F1 career, that was a drive for the ages.
Both Renault drivers capitalized on their opportunity to bag a haul of points in a steady drive.
Is that it poker or............?
Did not Leclerc make 2 mistakes, one which he had to defend by forcing Hamilton off the track, the other when he cut the first chicane.Exediron wrote:He had to make no mistakes for 53 laps with an all-time great driver less than a second behind him. And on top of that, Hamilton was close enough to attack several times. It was far from the walk in park victory you make it sound.Greenman wrote:Leclerc was in a car that could go faster than either Mercedes even if they had DRS !
How is "holding off" the Mercedes a driver's accomplishment ?
You mean Vettel or team strategists?pokerman wrote:Do you want me to list all his mistakes and all the times that Vettel had him beaten?Jezza13 wrote:Oh ok.pokerman wrote:Maybe he's driver of the day but not close to driver of the year.Jezza13 wrote:Leclerc & both Renault boys for me.
Today just re-enforced my belief that Leclerc is the driver of the year up to this point. Brilliant drive under relentless pressure. A few dodgy moves & & error or two but considering the pressure he was under, not only from Mercedes but also leading at Monza in a Ferrari 19 months into his F1 career, that was a drive for the ages.
Both Renault drivers capitalized on their opportunity to bag a haul of points in a steady drive.
Is that it poker or............?
He held off one of the greatest drivers of all time, who was on faster tyres and in a car with better race pace. And once he had managed that he had start all over again with the other Merc, who was also on better tyres. And he did it single-handed, while his teammate bumbled around ruining innocent midfielders' racesGreenman wrote:Leclerc was in a car that could go faster than either Mercedes even if they had DRS !
How is "holding off" the Mercedes a driver's accomplishment ?
2 Mistakes and the time he weaved in an extreme manner which AGAIN, didn't end in tears due to Hamilton's quick thinking and more mature approach. That was one of the worst weave jobs we've seen committed and it prompted race control to issue yet ANOTHER WARNING to Leclerc and he had the testicular fortitude to say "For What??!?"pokerman wrote:Did not Leclerc make 2 mistakes, one which he had to defend by forcing Hamilton off the track, the other when he cut the first chicane.Exediron wrote:He had to make no mistakes for 53 laps with an all-time great driver less than a second behind him. And on top of that, Hamilton was close enough to attack several times. It was far from the walk in park victory you make it sound.Greenman wrote:Leclerc was in a car that could go faster than either Mercedes even if they had DRS !
How is "holding off" the Mercedes a driver's accomplishment ?