Re: F3 Monza Crash - all seems OK though.
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:43 pm
I heard he got a concussion as well?F1 MERCENARY wrote:Peroni suffered a fractured vertebrae.
I heard he got a concussion as well?F1 MERCENARY wrote:Peroni suffered a fractured vertebrae.
I know what sausage curbing is used for. My complaint is why is there only 20 feet of it, when the turn would normally demand 150-200 feet of it?Asphalt_World wrote:The sausage was anything but ancient. It's a modern way to stop drivers gaining advantage by running wide. It failed massively today and won't be seen again.DFWdude wrote:Here's the slo-mo of the Peroni flight during the F3 race.
http://www.espn.co.uk/video/clip?id=27557450
A question...
What was that 20-feet of sausage curbing doing all by its lonesome on the curve? Looks beyond ancient and should have been removed long ago.
And a Comment...
Looks like the Halo did its job very well. This would have been far more serious without it.
It is positioned in a way so that if you stay within the confines of the curb at that particular point, the trajectory of the car means you will likely be within the track limits for the rest of the curve. In other words you can’t run wide, cut back inside the curb, then run wide again, or at least if you did there’s no time to be gained.DFWdude wrote:If sausage curbs are meant to discourage driving wide, then why is there (my guess) only 20 feet of it on this particular curb? Me thinks the curbing would run all around the corner... the ramp at the beginning positioned well before the turn where it cannot launch a car.
In this case, the sausage curb looks like an orphan sitting in the middle of nowhere. And not well staked down, either.
Because if you run a wide line through the Parabolica, the sausage kerb would come in to play and make you either go wide of back off. It was positioned in a place where cars would have to go if taking advantage of a wide line. It was not needed around the entire corner to take effect.DFWdude wrote:I know what sausage curbing is used for. My complaint is why is there only 20 feet of it, when the turn would normally demand 150-200 feet of it?Asphalt_World wrote:The sausage was anything but ancient. It's a modern way to stop drivers gaining advantage by running wide. It failed massively today and won't be seen again.DFWdude wrote:Here's the slo-mo of the Peroni flight during the F3 race.
http://www.espn.co.uk/video/clip?id=27557450
A question...
What was that 20-feet of sausage curbing doing all by its lonesome on the curve? Looks beyond ancient and should have been removed long ago.
And a Comment...
Looks like the Halo did its job very well. This would have been far more serious without it.
And Sean Gelael.Mort Canard wrote:Looks like we add the name of Alex Peroni to the names of Charles Leclerc and Tadasuke Makino as drivers whose lives have been saved by the halo.
Thank You FIA and the Grand Prix Drivers' Association.
Thanks! I had not seen that before. The marks on Galeal's halo certainly show a significant impact.Exediron wrote:And Sean Gelael.Mort Canard wrote:Looks like we add the name of Alex Peroni to the names of Charles Leclerc and Tadasuke Makino as drivers whose lives have been saved by the halo.
Thank You FIA and the Grand Prix Drivers' Association.
By now, the body of evidence is enough that I don't think the Halo is really open to debate anymore.
Debris also hit the Halo on Jordan Kings car as well.Mort Canard wrote:Thanks! I had not seen that before. The marks on Galeal's halo certainly show a significant impact.Exediron wrote:And Sean Gelael.Mort Canard wrote:Looks like we add the name of Alex Peroni to the names of Charles Leclerc and Tadasuke Makino as drivers whose lives have been saved by the halo.
Thank You FIA and the Grand Prix Drivers' Association.
By now, the body of evidence is enough that I don't think the Halo is really open to debate anymore.
...and there are still diehard halo haters out there. Many of them are Ferrari fans who would not have Leclerc to cheer on if not for the halo.
To be honest after yesterday i don't see why I should care. We had numerous drivers deliberately going off track and another ignoring yellow flags.Asphalt_World wrote:100% correct. There's a problem though because there's not a lot worse than gravel for causing a car that has gone off to skip through the air and in to a barrier without slowing down.mikeyg123 wrote:Nothing works as well as gravel for preventing drivers from going off track.
Swing and roundabouts I'm afraid.
And again today, drivers pulling back on to the track without looking and pushing each other off as per usual.mikeyg123 wrote:To be honest after yesterday i don't see why I should care. We had numerous drivers deliberately going off track and another ignoring yellow flags.Asphalt_World wrote:100% correct. There's a problem though because there's not a lot worse than gravel for causing a car that has gone off to skip through the air and in to a barrier without slowing down.mikeyg123 wrote:Nothing works as well as gravel for preventing drivers from going off track.
Swing and roundabouts I'm afraid.
If the drivers don't care about safety and are unwilling to compromise themselves in the name of safety why should the sport?
Actually I would give Stroll some leeway here, unlike Vettel his car had ended up stationary very close to the racing line and he had to move. I assume that's why his penalty was less.mikeyg123 wrote:And again today, drivers pulling back on to the track without looking and pushing each other off as per usual.mikeyg123 wrote:To be honest after yesterday i don't see why I should care. We had numerous drivers deliberately going off track and another ignoring yellow flags.Asphalt_World wrote:100% correct. There's a problem though because there's not a lot worse than gravel for causing a car that has gone off to skip through the air and in to a barrier without slowing down.mikeyg123 wrote:Nothing works as well as gravel for preventing drivers from going off track.
Swing and roundabouts I'm afraid.
If the drivers don't care about safety and are unwilling to compromise themselves in the name of safety why should the sport?
BIB: There was another occasion a couple of years back where a GP3 car was launched off a sausage kerb at Spa. The difference there is that the large run off area meant the car landed before reaching the barriers, albeit then rolling into them. So the idea this is a one off and couldn't have been predicted (for the sake of clarity, I'm not suggesting you're saying that - it seems like the F1 drivers themselves were of that opinion) isn't correct.lord byron wrote:Ive never been one to downplay things but this does seem like a one off,
I agree with Villeneuve if young drivers took less risks and think its ok to go at it like hammer and tongs and have the attitude that oh well its 2019 not 1950 my super duper all dancing designed cockpit will save me they are dreaming last week proved that anything can still happen.
Yes, he was beginning to show signs of having suffered a concussion which is what prompted a more thorough examination which is how they came to discover the broken vertebra. Ideas such as sausage kerbs need to be discussed and well thought out before implementing them. What ever happened to RUMPLE STRIPS on the apexes? That was excellent because it provided enough of a vibration through the steering wheel without upsetting the cars too greatly and without causing damage unless the overstep was extreme. Sausage kerbs are impractical and have finally been proven to be dangerous, but at what cost?… Almost the life of a driver!pokerman wrote:I heard he got a concussion as well?F1 MERCENARY wrote:Peroni suffered a fractured vertebrae.