2019 Italian Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:21 pm

Source - Imgur

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:23 pm

Verstappen is likely to get an engine change which would make him start from the back of the grid. Probably a strategic penalty to have a fresh engine for Singapore where Red Bull could arguably be the strongest car.

https://www.planetf1.com/f1-races/itali ... a-penalty/

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:23 pm

Cheers

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:31 pm

Rainfall is expected Thursday & Saturday night & Sunday morning.

WHoff78 · Post by **WHoff78** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:06 pm

I’d heard that Max would take a new engine in Russia, with Honda wanting the fresh unit and no penalty for Japan. The thinking being that the Spec 3 would still get the job done in Singapore, but perhaps Red Bull and Honda won’t be completely aligned on that one.

If they go that route though, my bold prediction in the other thread for Albon’s first race win in Singapore gets a boost (I know some may not consider this prediction particularly bold).

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:08 pm

WHoff78 wrote:I’d heard that Max would take a new engine in Russia, with Honda wanting the fresh unit and no penalty for Japan. The thinking being that the Spec 3 would still get the job done in Singapore, but perhaps Red Bull and Honda won’t be completely aligned on that one.

If they go that route though, my bold prediction in the other thread for Albon’s first race win in Singapore gets a boost (I know some may not consider this prediction particularly bold).

I think I heard this weekend that Verstappen will take the new engine in Monza. Basically they were splitting Verstappen and Albon so both didn't change engine at the same race.

Alienturnedhuman · Post by **Alienturnedhuman** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:51 pm

JN23 wrote:
WHoff78 wrote:I’d heard that Max would take a new engine in Russia, with Honda wanting the fresh unit and no penalty for Japan. The thinking being that the Spec 3 would still get the job done in Singapore, but perhaps Red Bull and Honda won’t be completely aligned on that one.

If they go that route though, my bold prediction in the other thread for Albon’s first race win in Singapore gets a boost (I know some may not consider this prediction particularly bold).
I think I heard this weekend that Verstappen will take the new engine in Monza. Basically they were splitting Verstappen and Albon so both didn't change engine at the same race.

They are introducing Spec 4, but interestingly they didn't use Spec 4 in Belgium - both used Spec 2, an older less powerful unit. I suspect they won't run Spec 4 in Monza either, probably Spec 3, and save Spec 4 for the races they think they can win at - ie Singapore and Mexico, and probably Suzuka as well. Maybe they'll introduce Spec 5 at Russia too, for Max, because obviously winning at Suzuka would be great for Honda.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:40 am

Verstappen & Gasly will get the Spec 4 engine at Monza. Hence, they both will start from the back of the grid.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... hPqVZ.html

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:09 am

This race is a God send for us here in the Great Southern Land.

Quickest one of the year, Over & done with in an hour & a quarter.

Covalent · Post by **Covalent** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:40 am

Jezza13 wrote:This race is a God send for us here in the Great Southern Land.

Quickest one of the year, Over & done with in an hour & a quarter.

You could just not watch and it's over and done in no time at all, quite literally.

KingVoid · Post by **KingVoid** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:03 am

If Vettel doesn’t want to go winless this year, this is his last chance.

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:07 am

Covalent wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:This race is a God send for us here in the Great Southern Land.

Quickest one of the year, Over & done with in an hour & a quarter.
You could just not watch and it's over and done in no time at all, quite literally.

But then i'd miss out on the race.

Why would I do that?

JN23 · Post by **JN23** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:15 am

My prediction for the weekend: the Ferrari's lock out the front row again but they come together at some point in the race

-K- · Post by **-K-** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:30 am

Interesting to see so many team mates with differing tyre selections for this race.

Makes sense for Red Bull to be taking the penalties at Ferrari circuits, bet they wish they did Alex and Max’s the other way around though!

I’ll mix the predictions up a bit and say Hamilton splits the Ferraris in quali.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:56 am

Engine components used so far:

Source - Imgur

Option or Prime · Post by **Option or Prime** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:46 pm

Mmmm interesting, Ferrari use 2 Renault 6, That Ferrari unit is a beast!

-K- · Post by **-K-** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:29 pm

What are the allowances? I thought it was 3 of each but I don’t recall that many penalties.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:09 pm

If You guys want to see the sleekest rear wing yet, this is it:

Source - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDsu_UZX4AY ... ame=medium

shoot999 · Post by **shoot999** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:46 am

Wet, second red flag. Wet tyres won't warm up as they are too hard. Or 'useless' according to Max. Croft talking complete ******** as usual. But track drying as rain stops.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:42 am

So because of complaints of engine penalties it's being put forward that these will be only taken after the end of the race were both drivers and teams will take both WDC and WCC points penalties, I just have to shake my head at the proposals being put forward by Ross Brawn and I've no confidence in the sporting direction he is taking F1, reverse grid races to set the race for Sunday is also on the agenda as soon as next season.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:47 am

FP1 done:

Source - https://scontent.fbom16-1.fna.fbcdn.net ... e=5DC8F787

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:10 am

pokerman wrote:So because of complaints of engine penalties it's being put forward that these will be only taken after the end of the race were both drivers and teams will take both WDC and WCC points penalties, I just have to shake my head at the proposals being put forward by Ross Brawn and I've no confidence in the sporting direction he is taking F1, reverse grid races to set the race for Sunday is also on the agenda as soon as next season.

FIA bloke 1: "People dont like that qualifying can feel pointless because penalties will change it all afterward anyway, how do we fix it?"

FIA bloke 2: "well why dont we do exactly that still except now we do it for the race itself"

FIA bloke 1: "Genius, I cant imagine anyone complaining about that"

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:11 am

So just a pointless piece of info here.

After the F2 events of last week, our local F1 broadcaster, in it's infinite wisdom, decided that after FP1 they would show a 1 hr highlights package of....................... wait for it

The 1994 San Marino GP.

lucifers · Post by **lucifers** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:15 am

pokerman wrote:So because of complaints of engine penalties it's being put forward that these will be only taken after the end of the race were both drivers and teams will take both WDC and WCC points penalties, I just have to shake my head at the proposals being put forward by Ross Brawn and I've no confidence in the sporting direction he is taking F1, reverse grid races to set the race for Sunday is also on the agenda as soon as next season.

please NO

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:24 am

Jezza13 wrote:So just a pointless piece of info here.

After the F2 events of last week, our local F1 broadcaster, in it's infinite wisdom, decided that after FP1 they would show a 1 hr highlights package of....................... wait for it

The 1994 San Marino GP.

someone's getting a dressing down on Monday morning.

Mort Canard · Post by **Mort Canard** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:46 am

JN23 wrote:My prediction for the weekend: the Ferrari's lock out the front row again but they come together at some point in the race

My prediction for the race is it will be checkers or wreckers for Sebastian. If he is not leading the race, Seb will have one of his melt-downs trying to get to the lead. He knows that this is by far the best chance for a win this year and he will throw caution to the wind to get there.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:35 pm

FP2 done:

Source - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDycgdSWsAE ... ame=medium

Junglist · Post by **Junglist** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:59 pm

Looking forward to seeing how Albon does against Max. 3 tenths off at the moment after a weekends worth of practice (practise? i can never remember) isn't looking too bad for him at the moment.

Blake · Post by **Blake** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:48 pm

pokerman wrote:So because of complaints of engine penalties it's being put forward that these will be only taken after the end of the race were both drivers and teams will take both WDC and WCC points penalties, I just have to shake my head at the proposals being put forward by Ross Brawn and I've no confidence in the sporting direction he is taking F1, reverse grid races to set the race for Sunday is also on the agenda as soon as next season.

If they were to go to reverse grids, then poker you would not have me to question you any more. I would walk away from F1. Gawd, I hate that idea.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:00 am

Blake wrote:
pokerman wrote:So because of complaints of engine penalties it's being put forward that these will be only taken after the end of the race were both drivers and teams will take both WDC and WCC points penalties, I just have to shake my head at the proposals being put forward by Ross Brawn and I've no confidence in the sporting direction he is taking F1, reverse grid races to set the race for Sunday is also on the agenda as soon as next season.

If they were to go to reverse grids, then poker you would not have me to question you any more. I would walk away from F1. Gawd, I hate that idea.

Ross Brawn mentioned show casing it in 4 races next year, a Saturday reversed grid sprint race to set the grid for the race on Sunday.

So that sounds like no qualifying what most people love, and I guess who ever leads the WDC starts last in the Saturday sprint race?

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:03 am

Blake wrote:
pokerman wrote:So because of complaints of engine penalties it's being put forward that these will be only taken after the end of the race were both drivers and teams will take both WDC and WCC points penalties, I just have to shake my head at the proposals being put forward by Ross Brawn and I've no confidence in the sporting direction he is taking F1, reverse grid races to set the race for Sunday is also on the agenda as soon as next season.

If they were to go to reverse grids, then poker you would not have me to question you any more. I would walk away from F1. Gawd, I hate that idea.

Don't know whats changed since March then.

Brawn, "I don't think reverse grids would be at the right level for F1. It works in other formulae, we know that from our own experience.

"But there are different requirements in F2 than F1. We're definitely not into gimmicks, we're into nurturing and developing the racing, and understanding what the fans enjoy, and seeing how we can give them more of what they enjoy with integrity.

"We don't want it to be gimmicky. Because I think that will turn fans off."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14207 ... ids-for-21

Option or Prime · Post by **Option or Prime** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:10 am

Agreed Blake, If the W series is anything to go by Megan Gilkes who has 0 championship points. Ended up on pole for a non championship trial race trial in Assen.

She started on pole and finished P1 ! So much for the cream rising to the top! A reverse grid will just lead to a lottery of results totally unrepresentative of any talent on the race track.

Todd · Post by **Todd** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:17 am

Requiring the use of two tire compounds in the race is a gimmick.
DRS is a gimmick.
Grid penalties are a gimmick.
Hybrids are a gimmick.
Fuel limits are a gimmick.

We don't do gimmicks in F1?

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:22 am

Todd wrote:Requiring the use of two tire compounds in the race is a gimmick.
DRS is a gimmick.
Grid penalties are a gimmick.
Hybrids are a gimmick.
Fuel limits are a gimmick.

We don't do gimmicks in F1?

Well that's not entirely accurate Todd.

The two tyre rule was introduced to reduce costs but still allow variables through pit stops
DRS was a quick fix because team aerodynamicists are smarter than the FIA rule makers.
Grid Penalties are in place as part of the FIA's efforts to cut costs by limiting the free usage of engine components
Hybrids & fuel limits are part of the sport so it can look "green friendly"

So they're not really gimmicks.

The difference between these above & the stupid reverse grid idea is that at least with these thing it's equal for everyone. No one is advantaged over the others.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:36 am

Tyre sets left after FP2:

Source - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDzITTdXkAA ... me=900x900

shoot999 · Post by **shoot999** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:03 am

Session delayed, still repairing barriers and track.

Jezza13 · Post by **Jezza13** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:59 am

Tell you what.

If Renault can manage to build a decent chassis next season, that engine of theirs has the potential to put them right in the game.

I'll admit, it's a big if though.

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:08 am

FP3 done:

Source - https://scontent.fbom16-1.fna.fbcdn.net ... e=5DFDAE13

UnlikeUday · Post by **UnlikeUday** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:54 am

Top speeds from FP3. I bet the drivers in the top 5 got a good tow for those speeds. Qualy should see faster speeds.

Source - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED2yxqrWkAM ... ame=medium

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:01 pm

UnlikeUday wrote:Top speeds from FP3. I bet the drivers in the top 5 got a good tow for those speeds. Qualy should see faster speeds.

Source - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED2yxqrWkAM ... ame=medium

I can't understand the speed difference for Bottas compared to the others. The mercedes isn't as quick as ferrari here. I'm guessing he must have had one of the fastest cars ahead of him maintain a similar distance ahead and just made it work perfectly.